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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 16 Jun 14 7.28am

Quite a vivid question put by a presenter on BBC this weekend.

Are radical Muslims the new Nazi's ?

(Obviously, not ALL Muslims, just the few radical ones)

I watched the disturbing pictures this morning of around 200 Iraqi soldiers who were captured by ISIS whilst in their barracks. They were then all butchered.

The depravity of mankind seems to be bottoming-out with the atrocities committed in the name of religion, and in particular, Islam.

As Britain, (formerly, Great Britain), tiptoes around human rights, and swerves racism, and allows Muslims to wear full face-masks, not just in public, but in airport departure points, (something that wouldn't have been tolerated during the decades of IRA activity)
Isn't it time to marginalise the radical groups/individuals ?
In the IRA case, Britain even used internment. But how do you combat an enemy, who have largely blended into the population, whether on these shores, or in foreign lands, and only make themselves known once the suicide bomb has detonated, the kidnap has occurred, or the streets are running in blood.(tips a nod to Enoch)

Am I scare-mongering, or are these radicals a significant problem ? 9/11, 7/7, 'The Muslim Patrols' in London, and now the mobilisation of militia who are causing atrocities in the name of Islam in the power vacuum created by western military withdrawl.

Would I have a happier life if I stopped reading/watching The News, or would I be complicit in ignoring issues outside my own tiny sphere of influence ?


Edited by Forest Hillbilly (16 Jun 2014 8.08am)

 


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aceedi Flag 16 Jun 14 8.10am

Yes.

 

wombat84 Flag 16 Jun 14 8.49am

Yes.

 

Satan_Claus Flag Aalborg 16 Jun 14 9.01am

Yes.

According to academic surveys, approximately 50% of the muslim population in Europe could be labelled "fundamentalist" and 15% "extremist". Similar percentages are seen in many muslim countries, and the reason for all their recent problems during the so called "arabic spring" which sadly might end in an "arabic fimbulwinter" ...

Western leaders have identified the problem far too late.

 

Catfish Flag Burgess Hill 16 Jun 14 9.48am

Where 36% of British ms,ins agree with death for apostasy then the answer is yes.

 


Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 16 Jun 14 10.07am

I suppose if Adolf were alive today with a bushy beard and having been brought up in Algeria his 1930's speeches about land and race and superiority could effortlessly be mirrored today with him shouting about the greatness of a Maghreb Union, killing Infidels and the one God Allah.

But, then again, if he'd been born an Ultra-Orthodox Jew or a fundamentalist Christian or militant Buddhist then he could also be talking about ideological/religious enemies, land grabs and other Gods in terms of acceptable violence against those who beg to differ.

An extreme nutter is an extreme nutter whatever their hue.

Worse case scenario is a massive fundamentalist Muslim link up from pakistan all the way to Morocco.

Is it a big problem for us if that did happen?

Could just leave them to it and forget about democratising them.

Only about 750million Muslims who aren't nutters would want to come here.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 16 Jun 14 10.07am

Only if you boil it right down to being murder thugs

There is a lot of difference between National Socialism and the extremist Islamist movemenets (violent and non-violent) - indeed theres a lot of difference between Islamist groups, such as Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran and Saudi - in fact that latter two hate each other quite passionately).

I don't think the two can really be compared except in terms of their authoritarianism. Certainly, the Nazi's wouldn't have had much truck with Islamism or Arabs except where it was convenient.

 


"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 16 Jun 14 10.10am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Jun 2014 10.07am

Only if you boil it right down to being murder thugs

There is a lot of difference between National Socialism and the extremist Islamist movemenets (violent and non-violent) - indeed theres a lot of difference between Islamist groups, such as Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran and Saudi - in fact that latter two hate each other quite passionately).

I don't think the two can really be compared except in terms of their authoritarianism. Certainly, the Nazi's wouldn't have had much truck with Islamism or Arabs except where it was convenient.


Like searching for the Ark of the Covenant you mean?

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 16 Jun 14 10.21am

Quote Kermit8 at 16 Jun 2014 10.10am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Jun 2014 10.07am

Only if you boil it right down to being murder thugs

There is a lot of difference between National Socialism and the extremist Islamist movemenets (violent and non-violent) - indeed theres a lot of difference between Islamist groups, such as Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran and Saudi - in fact that latter two hate each other quite passionately).

I don't think the two can really be compared except in terms of their authoritarianism. Certainly, the Nazi's wouldn't have had much truck with Islamism or Arabs except where it was convenient.


Like searching for the Ark of the Covenant you mean?

I was thinking more of agents and anti-british/french movements, as that didn't involve a dose of nasty melty face.

 


"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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aceedi Flag 16 Jun 14 10.30am

Why do they fall out so much over the 60s folk-rock duo, Sony and Cher?

 

aceedi Flag 16 Jun 14 10.34am

Quote Kermit8 at 16 Jun 2014 10.07am

I suppose if Adolf were alive today with a bushy beard and having been brought up in Algeria his 1930's speeches about land and race and superiority could effortlessly be mirrored today with him shouting about the greatness of a Maghreb Union, killing Infidels and the one God Allah.

But, then again, if he'd been born an Ultra-Orthodox Jew or a fundamentalist Christian or militant Buddhist then he could also be talking about ideological/religious enemies, land grabs and other Gods in terms of acceptable violence against those who beg to differ.

An extreme nutter is an extreme nutter whatever their hue.

Worse case scenario is a massive fundamentalist Muslim link up from pakistan all the way to Morocco.

Is it a big problem for us if that did happen?

Could just leave them to it and forget about democratising them.

Only about 750million Muslims who aren't nutters would want to come here.

We would have to turn a blind eye to the opening of concentration camps for Jews (and probably Christians too)?

 

Hoof Hearted 16 Jun 14 10.57am

Quote aceedi at 16 Jun 2014 10.30am

Why do they fall out so much over the 60s folk-rock duo, Sony and Cher?


You are talking Shiite.

 

jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 16 Jun 14 11.29am

Quote aceedi at 16 Jun 2014 10.34am

Quote Kermit8 at 16 Jun 2014 10.07am

I suppose if Adolf were alive today with a bushy beard and having been brought up in Algeria his 1930's speeches about land and race and superiority could effortlessly be mirrored today with him shouting about the greatness of a Maghreb Union, killing Infidels and the one God Allah.

But, then again, if he'd been born an Ultra-Orthodox Jew or a fundamentalist Christian or militant Buddhist then he could also be talking about ideological/religious enemies, land grabs and other Gods in terms of acceptable violence against those who beg to differ.

An extreme nutter is an extreme nutter whatever their hue.

Worse case scenario is a massive fundamentalist Muslim link up from pakistan all the way to Morocco.

Is it a big problem for us if that did happen?

Could just leave them to it and forget about democratising them.

Only about 750million Muslims who aren't nutters would want to come here.

We would have to turn a blind eye to the opening of concentration camps for Jews (and probably Christians too)?

Not a chance, too many of those groups really hate each other too much. Before they started exterminating the Jews, they'd be start in on the Sunni/Shiite. Those two sects of Islam really have an issue.


 


"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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The White Horse Flag 16 Jun 14 12.18pm

The weather at the world cup has been like Muslims. Generally either Sunni or Shiite.

 


"The fox has his den. The bee has his hive. The stoat, has, uh... his stoat-hole... but only man chooses to make his nest in an investment opportunity.” Stewart Lee

The White Horse Flag 16 Jun 14 12.23pm

Quote Forest Hillbilly at 16 Jun 2014 7.28am

Quite a vivid question put by a presenter on BBC this weekend.

Are radical Muslims the new Nazi's ?

(Obviously, not ALL Muslims, just the few radical ones)

I watched the disturbing pictures this morning of around 200 Iraqi soldiers who were captured by ISIS whilst in their barracks. They were then all butchered.

The depravity of mankind seems to be bottoming-out with the atrocities committed in the name of religion, and in particular, Islam.

As Britain, (formerly, Great Britain), tiptoes around human rights, and swerves racism, and allows Muslims to wear full face-masks, not just in public, but in airport departure points, (something that wouldn't have been tolerated during the decades of IRA activity)
Isn't it time to marginalise the radical groups/individuals ?
In the IRA case, Britain even used internment. But how do you combat an enemy, who have largely blended into the population, whether on these shores, or in foreign lands, and only make themselves known once the suicide bomb has detonated, the kidnap has occurred, or the streets are running in blood.(tips a nod to Enoch)

Am I scare-mongering, or are these radicals a significant problem ? 9/11, 7/7, 'The Muslim Patrols' in London, and now the mobilisation of militia who are causing atrocities in the name of Islam in the power vacuum created by western military withdrawl.

Would I have a happier life if I stopped reading/watching The News, or would I be complicit in ignoring issues outside my own tiny sphere of influence ?

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (16 Jun 2014 8.08am)

-.-'

 


"The fox has his den. The bee has his hive. The stoat, has, uh... his stoat-hole... but only man chooses to make his nest in an investment opportunity.” Stewart Lee

aceedi Flag 16 Jun 14 1.33pm

A few interesting things here:
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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 16 Jun 14 1.57pm

Quote Kermit8 at 16 Jun 2014 10.07am

I suppose if Adolf were alive today with a bushy beard and having been brought up in Algeria his 1930's speeches about land and race and superiority could effortlessly be mirrored today with him shouting about the greatness of a Maghreb Union, killing Infidels and the one God Allah.

But, then again, if he'd been born an Ultra-Orthodox Jew or a fundamentalist Christian or militant Buddhist then he could also be talking about ideological/religious enemies, land grabs and other Gods in terms of acceptable violence against those who beg to differ.

An extreme nutter is an extreme nutter whatever their hue.

Worse case scenario is a massive fundamentalist Muslim link up from pakistan all the way to Morocco.

Is it a big problem for us if that did happen?

Could just leave them to it and forget about democratising them.

Only about 750million Muslims who aren't nutters would want to come here.


Just so happens they all (mostly) appear to be Muslim these days, so your previous paragraph is nonsense, to be blunt.

 


"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 16 Jun 14 2.04pm

Quote dannyh at 16 Jun 2014 1.57pm

Quote Kermit8 at 16 Jun 2014 10.07am

I suppose if Adolf were alive today with a bushy beard and having been brought up in Algeria his 1930's speeches about land and race and superiority could effortlessly be mirrored today with him shouting about the greatness of a Maghreb Union, killing Infidels and the one God Allah.

But, then again, if he'd been born an Ultra-Orthodox Jew or a fundamentalist Christian or militant Buddhist then he could also be talking about ideological/religious enemies, land grabs and other Gods in terms of acceptable violence against those who beg to differ.

An extreme nutter is an extreme nutter whatever their hue.

Worse case scenario is a massive fundamentalist Muslim link up from pakistan all the way to Morocco.

Is it a big problem for us if that did happen?

Could just leave them to it and forget about democratising them.

Only about 750million Muslims who aren't nutters would want to come here.


Just so happens they all (mostly) appear to be Muslim these days, so your previous paragraph is nonsense, to be blunt.

Certainly the case in the UK, world wide its a bit different (Palestine has issues with Ultra Othodox Jewish groups, the US and Russia with Fundermentalist Christian movements).

Islamists >> They're much more the new 'Leftist Urban Guerilla' or Provos. Except they're not left wing, obviously.

I'd say that most of these groups have more in common with the PFLP and PLO, than say with the Nazis.


 


"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 16 Jun 14 2.17pm

Quote dannyh at 16 Jun 2014 1.57pm

Quote Kermit8 at 16 Jun 2014 10.07am

I suppose if Adolf were alive today with a bushy beard and having been brought up in Algeria his 1930's speeches about land and race and superiority could effortlessly be mirrored today with him shouting about the greatness of a Maghreb Union, killing Infidels and the one God Allah.

But, then again, if he'd been born an Ultra-Orthodox Jew or a fundamentalist Christian or militant Buddhist then he could also be talking about ideological/religious enemies, land grabs and other Gods in terms of acceptable violence against those who beg to differ.

An extreme nutter is an extreme nutter whatever their hue.

Worse case scenario is a massive fundamentalist Muslim link up from pakistan all the way to Morocco.

Is it a big problem for us if that did happen?

Could just leave them to it and forget about democratising them.

Only about 750million Muslims who aren't nutters would want to come here.


Just so happens they all (mostly) appear to be Muslim these days, so your previous paragraph is nonsense, to be blunt.


Central African Rep - Christian extremists are killing others. Buddhists killing muslims in Burma and Sri Lanka. India kicks off from all angles once in a while as we know.

So whilst the vast majority of religious nutters threatening the west are of a wahabi influenced muslim persuasion there are other religious groups who are not muslim but are engaging in similar acts in Asia and Africa. Namely the killing of people who are not like them. They be religious nutters too and no point in pretending otherwise just because there are more Muslim ones.


Edited by Kermit8 (16 Jun 2014 2.18pm)

 


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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 16 Jun 14 2.36pm

Rigby, Bigley, kidnapped schoolgirls, villages in Nigeria having all their menfolk killed by Isis, and Muslim protesters as soldiers coffins are brought back to Britain.
So are the media over-egging this ?
Certainly, these events are happening.

So when I overhear my Muslim shopkeeper saying he will do a deal with a Muslim supplier at "Muslim prices" just a day after the Lee Rigby murder, should I be concerned ?
Should I 'turn the other cheek', and just accept that society is dynamic.

 


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