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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 14 Dec 20 8.56pm

Men, men and more men.

You have seen all the photo's from the refugee centres, the refugee boats.....its a massive crowd of men.

The BBC or similar will visit the Jungle at Calais and televise an interview with a 'strong independent single mother'' and what does she represent ? 0.001% of the residents at the camp ?


Twas ever thus, observe any of the crowd photo's from the 1950's and the Windrush generation.....a boatload of young men.

And before the usual suspects accuse me of racism, we get a similar scenario of white men travelling from places like Eastern Europe. Plumbers, electricians & the like. Many of these wire money back to the wife & kids in Budapest/Krakow wherever.

OxfordReference.com defines prejudice as ''Any attitude held towards a person or group that is not justified by the facts.'' And so to say that a predominantly male group is demonstrably 'predominantly male' is less prejudiced-opinion and more empirical-fact. No doubt there are many fine upstanding young men therein.

It does pose some questions :

- where are all their women ? back in the home country ? in a polygamous marriage or all single ?

- how will the fabric of society in Western Europe be if there are 110 young men for every 100 young women ?

- who voted for this arrangement ?

- are all these arriving fellas the remnants of a polygamy problem back in their home country ? or have they left a wife & kids behind ?

- are there villages back in the home country that have lost all their men ?

- has sociology proven a predominantly male society to also be a violent society ? From the American Wild West of the Goldrush to A modern squaddie town in the UK. Is London 2020 more violent than London 1920 ?

- The grooming gangs in the North of England, where were their wives, sisters, female cousins when all the mayhem was happening ?

- When the Goths, Visigoths & Huns landed on Rome...they brought their women with them. What would the Western Romans make of modern Western Europe ?

- 1946 Russia was a society of women, certainly any place near Stalingrad. How would that society compare to society in Sweden Today ?

- other


Please keep the discussion respectful with a potentially emotive topic. The main theme here is Gender Equality or the lack thereof.

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Edited by PalazioVecchio (14 Dec 2020 11.14pm)

 


Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

W12 14 Dec 20 9.01pm

Goes back to my point about democracy. Nobody voted for this, the majority didn’t want it but we got it anyway.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 14 Dec 20 9.04pm

Windrush is celebrated.

There are good people within every group but we never needed mass immigration after the war and non European immigration has been nothing but a burden ever since.

It's a discussion that the progressives always try to shut down.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays Flag 14 Dec 20 9.33pm

I notice there's another grooming gang case in the courts now and the press are happy to keep everything low key on the matter....following the deliberate policy of the government.

All based on lies about cases being thrown out.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

W12 15 Dec 20 7.45am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Men, men and more men.

You have seen all the photo's from the refugee centres, the refugee boats.....its a massive crowd of men.

The BBC or similar will visit the Jungle at Calais and televise an interview with a 'strong independent single mother'' and what does she represent ? 0.001% of the residents at the camp ?


Twas ever thus, observe any of the crowd photo's from the 1950's and the Windrush generation.....a boatload of young men.

And before the usual suspects accuse me of racism, we get a similar scenario of white men travelling from places like Eastern Europe. Plumbers, electricians & the like. Many of these wire money back to the wife & kids in Budapest/Krakow wherever.

OxfordReference.com defines prejudice as ''Any attitude held towards a person or group that is not justified by the facts.'' And so to say that a predominantly male group is demonstrably 'predominantly male' is less prejudiced-opinion and more empirical-fact. No doubt there are many fine upstanding young men therein.

It does pose some questions :

- where are all their women ? back in the home country ? in a polygamous marriage or all single ?

- how will the fabric of society in Western Europe be if there are 110 young men for every 100 young women ?

- who voted for this arrangement ?

- are all these arriving fellas the remnants of a polygamy problem back in their home country ? or have they left a wife & kids behind ?

- are there villages back in the home country that have lost all their men ?

- has sociology proven a predominantly male society to also be a violent society ? From the American Wild West of the Goldrush to A modern squaddie town in the UK. Is London 2020 more violent than London 1920 ?

- The grooming gangs in the North of England, where were their wives, sisters, female cousins when all the mayhem was happening ?

- When the Goths, Visigoths & Huns landed on Rome...they brought their women with them. What would the Western Romans make of modern Western Europe ?

- 1946 Russia was a society of women, certainly any place near Stalingrad. How would that society compare to society in Sweden Today ?

- other


Please keep the discussion respectful with a potentially emotive topic. The main theme here is Gender Equality or the lack thereof.

[Link]

Edited by PalazioVecchio (14 Dec 2020 11.14pm)

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 15 Dec 20 8.44am

In pakistan there are many villages, which if you visit, the only males you will see are the elderly or pre-working age. This is because the males do emigrate for work as there is little work locally and wages are higher elsewhere. Thousands go to the UAE, many work in terrible conditions but feel it is a better option. Most of their income is sent home to support the family. These get the correct paperwork and everything is done legally.
Would I do the same? Absolutely

Edited by Spiderman (15 Dec 2020 8.45am)

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 15 Dec 20 8.50am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Windrush is celebrated.

There are good people within every group but we never needed mass immigration after the war and non European immigration has been nothing but a burden ever since.

It's a discussion that the progressives always try to shut down.

This is an interesting article and something I was unaware of until I was working there. At the time the British government gave the Mirpuris the opportunity to work in the U.K. ( presumably like Windrush) many took up the offer but many more did not and were relocated to other parts of pakistan

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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 15 Dec 20 8.58am

Isn’t it true that wherever there is a majority of men over women there is eventually a war whether it be an internal conflict or something bigger?

 

PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 15 Dec 20 9.30am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Isn’t it true that wherever there is a majority of men over women there is eventually a war whether it be an internal conflict or something bigger?

I cannot answer that question fully, nor generalise from isolated incidents.

But certainly the scientists have found some interesting Gender-based evidence from the Bronze Age. Meet some of your ancestors.....

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Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 15 Dec 20 9.42am

I wonder what public perception would be if 90% of immigrants were young, fit Eastern European girls

 


"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

Stirlingsays Flag 15 Dec 20 9.47am

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

I wonder what public perception would be if 90% of immigrants were young, fit Eastern European girls

Your reaction certainly would be positive Tom.

Europeans haven't caused the problems.....though in general immigration needs to go in reverse.

But that needed to happen decades ago.


Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Dec 2020 9.50am)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 15 Dec 20 9.54am

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

I wonder what public perception would be if 90% of immigrants were young, fit Eastern European girls

Like nervous Harry Enfield in the daily sandwich/coffee shop?

If they were they’d probably be trafficked here. But while English women have been choosy and career driven until they realise they’ve left it late, a lot of English men have picked off a lot of good looking east European women who were probably looking for someone with good stable employment.

 


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davenotamonkey Flag 15 Dec 20 10.08am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Men, men and more men.

You have seen all the photo's from the refugee centres, the refugee boats.....its a massive crowd of men.

The BBC or similar will visit the Jungle at Calais and televise an interview with a 'strong independent single mother'' and what does she represent ? 0.001% of the residents at the camp ?


Twas ever thus, observe any of the crowd photo's from the 1950's and the Windrush generation.....a boatload of young men.

And before the usual suspects accuse me of racism, we get a similar scenario of white men travelling from places like Eastern Europe. Plumbers, electricians & the like. Many of these wire money back to the wife & kids in Budapest/Krakow wherever.

OxfordReference.com defines prejudice as ''Any attitude held towards a person or group that is not justified by the facts.'' And so to say that a predominantly male group is demonstrably 'predominantly male' is less prejudiced-opinion and more empirical-fact. No doubt there are many fine upstanding young men therein.

It does pose some questions :

- where are all their women ? back in the home country ? in a polygamous marriage or all single ?

- how will the fabric of society in Western Europe be if there are 110 young men for every 100 young women ?

- who voted for this arrangement ?

- are all these arriving fellas the remnants of a polygamy problem back in their home country ? or have they left a wife & kids behind ?

- are there villages back in the home country that have lost all their men ?

- has sociology proven a predominantly male society to also be a violent society ? From the American Wild West of the Goldrush to A modern squaddie town in the UK. Is London 2020 more violent than London 1920 ?

- The grooming gangs in the North of England, where were their wives, sisters, female cousins when all the mayhem was happening ?

- When the Goths, Visigoths & Huns landed on Rome...they brought their women with them. What would the Western Romans make of modern Western Europe ?

- 1946 Russia was a society of women, certainly any place near Stalingrad. How would that society compare to society in Sweden Today ?

- other


Please keep the discussion respectful with a potentially emotive topic. The main theme here is Gender Equality or the lack thereof.

[Link]

Edited by PalazioVecchio (14 Dec 2020 11.14pm)


Freedom of movement has been a disaster, and will always be a disaster for as long as there are higher wages and better standards of living in other countries. Fascinating that the EU bangs on about "level playing fields", yet permits huge labour-wage distortions across it's empire.

Here's the flip-side: the emptying out of poorer Eastern states (because they can), and the subsequent decline in community and society:

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"Romanians have not just left the country to work as laborers. Highly skilled people have also emigrated for better jobs, particularly doctors. The number of Romanian physicians working abroad exceeded 14,000 as of 2013, representing a third of the country’s total number of doctors"

1/3 of the doctors. People will follow the money, where permitted. Slow clap EU.

 

Ouzo Dan Flag Behind you 15 Dec 20 6.48pm

It is overwhelmingly men who emigrate here & the evidence is quite clear when you have a population weighted in men with no career prospects, no chance of having families & creating the next generation it is a recipe for disaster.
Were already seeing this in Germany where there is a war being fought between rival gangs of men imported by Merkel

 


The mountains are calling & I must go.

PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 16 Dec 20 8.49pm

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

It is overwhelmingly men who emigrate here. The evidence is quite clear when you have a population weighted in men.

with no career prospects, no chance of having families & creating the next generation it is a recipe for disaster.

Were already seeing this in Germany where there is a war being fought between rival gangs of men imported by Merkel


its funny how the newspapers & telly never report that story ?

 


Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Ouzo Dan Flag Behind you 17 Dec 20 7.00pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio


its funny how the newspapers & telly never report that story ?

Actually a correction on my part its happening in France and is being fought by Chechen's & Algerians, were not just talking street fights, they're fully armed militants.

Edited by Ouzo Dan (17 Dec 2020 7.07pm)

 


The mountains are calling & I must go.

PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 28 Dec 20 6.53pm

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

It is overwhelmingly men who emigrate here
.
& the evidence is quite clear when you have a population weighted in men with no career prospects

Here is the opinion of an intelligent & beautiful Dutch woman

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Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 28 Dec 20 8.37pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Here is the opinion of an intelligent & beautiful Dutch woman

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Couldn’t understand a word she said, was all Dutch to me.

Would though

 


"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

silvertop Flag Portishead 30 Dec 20 6.09pm

The world is largely patriarchal where women marry young and then barely leave the house so the demographic is hardly surprising.

Also this wiring all the money home may be true but given most work is paye not until the government has got its cut

 

PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 06 Feb 21 11.27am

A community with an excess of men is always violent.

Look at the Wild West of America in the 1840's.

It started with men arriving in ships, and soon men were leaving in coffins.

The real solution to the problem :

- a society with a gender-balance

False solutions to the problem:

- getting tougher on crime
- handing out freebies to poor people

- Religion & preaching about 'morality'
- compulsory military service

- education courses
- Sport

- Yoof clubs & snooker


There are many societies, across the World, with great poverty and yet a relative dearth of violence.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (07 May 2021 10.16pm)

 


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