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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 22 May 21 2.14pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I work with refugees on a daily basis. They are always popping home to do something. Even throughout this pandemic. Whilst, at the same time, saying their country is too dangerous. I wouldn't say all are like this - some are genuine. But 80% are here for the life, not for the reasons they state. I ask them, and many simply admit it.
One of the ones I work with just went over to Zimbabwe for a month. A place they have claimed asylum from. I found it rather ironic as it's been nearly impossible for me to go anywhere legally. But I guess they're used to illegal travelling and don't particularly care about 'our' laws, until it suits them. Talk about playing the system. The naivety surrounding 'refugees' is largely caused by the media highlighting the cases that you speak about. It's actually widely known that the kid's body in Turkey was placed there for the photo - it was staged. Yet people still lap it up, thinking they can somehow help. I guess it's just the human way.
Be as woke as you like, work with asylum seekers, I urge everyone to, even the most woke would see exactly what I'm talking about, probably within a week or two.

Just because the youngest and fittest make it to our shores it doesn't mean they are the most deserving.

Personally I would ban / deport all these people instead I would take people direct from the refugee camps having established who they are and that they are deserving.

 


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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 23 May 21 8.04am Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Well that's reassuring!!!
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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Online Flag Horsham 23 May 21 8.14am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I work with refugees on a daily basis. They are always popping home to do something. Even throughout this pandemic. Whilst, at the same time, saying their country is too dangerous. I wouldn't say all are like this - some are genuine. But 80% are here for the life, not for the reasons they state. I ask them, and many simply admit it.
One of the ones I work with just went over to Zimbabwe for a month. A place they have claimed asylum from. I found it rather ironic as it's been nearly impossible for me to go anywhere legally. But I guess they're used to illegal travelling and don't particularly care about 'our' laws, until it suits them. Talk about playing the system. The naivety surrounding 'refugees' is largely caused by the media highlighting the cases that you speak about. It's actually widely known that the kid's body in Turkey was placed there for the photo - it was staged. Yet people still lap it up, thinking they can somehow help. I guess it's just the human way.
Be as woke as you like, work with asylum seekers, I urge everyone to, even the most woke would see exactly what I'm talking about, probably within a week or two.

I concur, very good post. Having interviewed thousands over the years, the genuine refugees certainly “stuck out”, I have heard some horrendous stories but I have also heard much bs

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 23 May 21 8.31am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Well that's reassuring!!!
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Ah I see another great government IT project in the offing. 2025? Hmm we'll see.

But yes about time we counted them in and out it is a real problem. So far over 5m EU citizens have been given settled status I don't have a problem with that except that when the scheme was announced the government said there were 3.5m EU citizens in the UK.

It demonstrates that we don't have a clue who is here and if you don't know that then how can you plan your public services.

 


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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Online Flag Horsham 23 May 21 8.42am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Ah I see another great government IT project in the offing. 2025? Hmm we'll see.

But yes about time we counted them in and out it is a real problem. So far over 5m EU citizens have been given settled status I don't have a problem with that except that when the scheme was announced the government said there were 3.5m EU citizens in the UK.

It demonstrates that we don't have a clue who is here and if you don't know that then how can you plan your public services.

I agree. Unfortunately HO don’t have a great track record with IT. Perhaps not going down the cheapest route may help

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 23 May 21 9.13am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

I agree. Unfortunately HO don’t have a great track record with IT. Perhaps not going down the cheapest route may help

Here's an idea why not buy an off the shelf solution, other countries already have this type of system but knowing our shower they will go for a brand new "world beating" solution. You know like the track and trace, the Germans just bought a perfectly could off the shelf one we spend billions because ours have to be perfect.

I used to say to my boss you have two options:

1. I can give you 90% of what you want in a few months at low cost but you will have to manually manage the remaining 10%.

2. I can give you an all singing and dancing solution that will do 100% what you want however it will cost a lot and take at least a year.

He always went for option 1 why wouldn't you.

As for the remaining 10% well now that you have automated the bulk of your process you then have time to find a solution for the remainder. In one case my boss's solution to the rump that had not been automated
was to actually stop doing that business he realised it was completely uneconomic and labour intensive, problem solved.


Cheap and simple was my motto.

Edited by Badger11 (23 May 2021 9.16am)

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

Here's an idea why not buy an off the shelf solution, other countries already have this type of system but knowing our shower they will go for a brand new "world beating" solution. You know like the track and trace, the Germans just bought a perfectly could off the shelf one we spend billions because ours have to be perfect.

I used to say to my boss you have two options:

1. I can give you 90% of what you want in a few months at low cost but you will have to manually manage the remaining 10%.

2. I can give you an all singing and dancing solution that will do 100% what you want however it will cost a lot and take at least a year.

He always went for option 1 why wouldn't you.

As for the remaining 10% well now that you have automated the bulk of your process you then have time to find a solution for the remainder. In one case my boss's solution to the rump that had not been automated
was to actually stop doing that business he realised it was completely uneconomic and labour intensive, problem solved.


Cheap and simple was my motto.

Edited by Badger11 (23 May 2021 9.16am)

Thanks for this. I profess to knowing next to nothing about IT. I do know HO have had some disasters over the years. I do not know how feasible “ an off the shelf” system would be, given the highly sensitive nature of some of the information it is required to store

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 23 May 21 11.56am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Thanks for this. I profess to knowing next to nothing about IT. I do know HO have had some disasters over the years. I do not know how feasible “ an off the shelf” system would be, given the highly sensitive nature of some of the information it is required to store

Sure but if you think about other countries they will probably have the same requirements:

Identify and count people coming in and out including their personal data. This is hardware (passport scanners) and software.

The data needs to be held securely and only accessed by authorised personnel.

An individual's data needs to be accessed by Border Staff, Embassies for issuing visas and other official bodies so remote access within and outside of the UK.

You need a metrics database that allows civil servants to generate data e.g. How many people came into the country yesterday, last week, month, year where did they come from, what method of transport, where was their point of entry etc.

All of the above is pretty standard, where you need bespoke programming is when you interface this system with other government systems e.g. police criminal records check.

Not difficult but they are bound to screw it up look at the NHS billions spent on a failed system.

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 23 May 21 12.35pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend


keeping records on who is arriving ?

Maybe we can count the number of single childless young women arriving ?

not on a computer, but on the fingers (& toes) of the Home Secretary ?

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 13 Aug 21 5.32pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

The bloke who shot 5 people in Plymouth ? He self-identified as an Incel. A very dangerous group of angry young men.

A group that seems to be growing across Western Europe and the US. Correlated to very many shootings & stabbings.


As discussed above, a very male society is always violent. Compare London 1921 to 2021 if u do not believe me.

Rip the victims. Anger to the politicians who allowed this mess.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (13 Aug 2021 5.38pm)

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 13 Aug 21 6.34pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Sure but if you think about other countries they will probably have the same requirements:

Identify and count people coming in and out including their personal data. This is hardware (passport scanners) and software.

The data needs to be held securely and only accessed by authorised personnel.

An individual's data needs to be accessed by Border Staff, Embassies for issuing visas and other official bodies so remote access within and outside of the UK.

You need a metrics database that allows civil servants to generate data e.g. How many people came into the country yesterday, last week, month, year where did they come from, what method of transport, where was their point of entry etc.

All of the above is pretty standard, where you need bespoke programming is when you interface this system with other government systems e.g. police criminal records check.

Not difficult but they are bound to screw it up look at the NHS billions spent on a failed system.


I think the elites have the system that they want.

They passed the laws and they don't complain about them.

The only people complaining are the Tory base.....so the Tory home secretary comes out and lies to them about doing something.

Like they have been doing for forty years.

This is what they want.

What is it that someone said about the right in the west.....they are effectively just the left doing the speed limit.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Aug 2021 6.35pm)

 


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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 13 Aug 21 6.47pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


I think the elites have the system that they want.

They passed the laws and they don't complain about them.

The only people complaining are the Tory base.....so the Tory home secretary comes out and lies to them about doing something.

Like they have been doing for forty years.

This is what they want.

What is it that someone said about the right in the west.....they are effectively just the left doing the speed limit.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Aug 2021 6.35pm)

Ha, that last line Stirling, very good indeed!

 

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