In terms of under counts it is widely considered that there has been huge under reporting of COVID deaths in numerous countries such as; India, pakistan, Africa, Russia, Mexico, Brazil and many more on the South American and Asian continents.

In terms of the young and healthy taking vaccines for others.

I think that if someone 18+ plus makes that voluntary decision I have no issues as that's personal choice.....though the young can be too trusting once you reach adulthood societal dictation needs to loosen.

However, coercion, passports and mandating (outside of coal face working with the vulnerable) shouldn't happen.....I'm fully against what's happened on that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Dec 2021 1.50pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Even though coronavirus was initially thought of as a respiratory illness, we know that it can affect other organs and systems in your body. The infection (and the way your body responds to it) may affect your heart, circulatory system, brain, kidneys, liver, gastrointestinal system, and other systems.

Many of the symptoms that people can experience are thought to be linked to the virus damaging endothelial cells (the cells which line all the blood vessels in our body). All parts of the body need a healthy blood supply to work properly, so damage to your blood vessels has the potential to cause abnormal blood clotting, ‘leaky’ blood vessels, and reduced blood flow throughout the body – which can lead to a range of symptoms.

This could be a factor in why people with existing heart and circulatory conditions are at a higher risk of complications from Covid-19, as they may already have, or be at risk of damage to the endothelium (the inner lining of the blood vessels). But the virus can also cause heart and circulatory complications in those without existing heart disease.

The idea that personal choice is the sole determinant in such matters is a dangerous myth. As I have frequently pointed out no absolute rights exist in any organised society. They are always balanced by a responsibility to others.

This is such a case. When there is an overwhelmingly obvious need to see all who can be vaccinated, be vaccinated, then if persuasion fails, coercion becomes necessary. It's regrettable, but the common interest will occasionally over-ride personal choice.

It's just the way it is. If it's too much to bear, go live on your own island, or become a hermit. Those who live as part of us, live by our rules.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Honestly, what are you talking about. Personal choice is personal choice, the greater good is irrelevant. You cannot force someone to take something that might potentially harm them. It is wholly undemocratic in its ideal and goes against every part of the medical profession’s Hippocratic oath. It also breaches human rights.

There was an overwhelming need to win both of the major wars, but not everyone fought in them.

I would suggest if you are that keen to be part of a system then you go live in China and leave people alone who see the world differently to you.

Should anyone take my comment personally then that is their responsibility. If the cap fits, and they choose to wear it, that's up to them. "You" is just the reader, who always has the choice not to read it.

The response above IS though personal. So yet another ad hominem.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (27 Dec 2021 5.58pm)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.