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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 13 Aug 15 4.48pm

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Look, even Tony Blair has come out and pleaded with Labour voters not to vote in Corbyn.

As I said vote him lefties, and you have single handedly given power to the Tories for the next......... however many years you keep him at the helm for.

Delusional, socialist fantasist who would bring the country to its knee's from a position of steady recovery, within months of his term in office (God forbid).

And if you thought the Tory’s handed Labour their collective arses to them in the last election, wait and see what happens if gets elected.

Please god let him win.


Edited by dannyh (13 Aug 2015 1.45pm)

Curiously, Blair has come out against the only major candidate who actually has stated that Blair should be held accountable over the 2003 Iraq war. Unsurprisingly, he's not a fan, and would prefer the election of someone who'd be largely indistinguishable from the corporate friendly Conservative party.

The democracy of the swing constituencies devalues the idea of politics in the UK.

Also, it shows the caliber of Blair, commenting on a leadership election. If anyone has destroyed what the Labor Party was, it was him and New Labor, a political party who's politics were based on winning election, not the representation of the labor party supporters.

He's basically handed Corbyn a lot of votes. I suspect that Corbyn will actually turn out to be less left wing than the Liberal Democrats anyhow.



HAHAHAHAHAH is that the best you've got. Dig blair out because you know I'm right about Corbyn. And it's not just blair it's pretty much the whole current labour shadow cabinet that dont want him.

Except of course Diane Abbott, who will say and literally do anything to get her fat ugly mug in the tabloids.

Vote for Corbyn, for a 12-15 year tory dominated period of government.


So where has this surge of support for someone standing on a left wing platform come from?

Not from within his own party thats for damn sure.

Yes, according to others running for the Labour leadership, being popular and having thousands of people turn up to listen to you speak including people being turned away or waiting on the street to hear you speak doesn't actually mean you're popular and can win an election. The trick is to have policies that people have already rejected, are similar to what the opposition is saying and having meetings that no one turns up to.

So what Nick, One Direction sold out Wembley Arena, and they talk utter shyte as well.

And would probably do better than Corbyn if the stood for parliment.



Hitler, Pol Pot and Mussolini sold out a few stadia too.

Fact is, there are people who want to listen to Corbyn because he represents a shift away from what we've had for the past 30 or so years. *

Fact is there are examples of mass movements of people who want to turn away from the neo-liberal agenda.
yes i know it went to s*** in Greece, but lets face it, their hands were tied somewhat and they were facing the very people for who neo liberal dogma is most important. Podemas in Spain are another example of a 'left' party coming to prominence.


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You've said it yourself mate it's a novelty, a politician sounding off with definable leanings to socialist economic policies (that dont work)and actaully sounding like Michael Foot used to. Its all well and good and great for labour moral, but when all is said and done he will achieve nothing but party divide and if elected the ultimate destruction of th eLabour party as a viable option in an election.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Aug 15 4.54pm

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Indeed

At least 15% of the Parliamentary and European Party (ie the MPs elected for Labour) have to back you to get on the ballet, which means a minimum of 35 MPs.

Bloke seems popular with a large and significant percentage of those capable of voting for a new Labor leader. He's not really all that Left Wing either, just to the left of John Smith and Tony Blair (ie not a center right New Labour Old Tory).



As you've quite rightly said before, politics isn't about what you do so much as how you are perceived. As soon as you come out with bonkers ideas like nationalising energy companies and rail transport (at eye wateringly high sums that he's paying for by printing money, apparently), then you are of course going to be portrayed as a leftie.

See he's making a liberal point, a proper leftie would be talking about nationalizing without compensation two industries that have failed to deliver competition or price savings for the end user.

The advantage of state ownership of power companies is that you can control prices (if necessary by subsidization), so that power and transport for citizens is recouped through the taxation they pay, rather than privately (ie like the NHS, free at point of use). In terms of transport it encourages less use of vehicles, reduces traffic congestion etc.

It'd reduce the cost of taxation as well in terms of recouped 'milage' (because individual use of vehicles is massively reduced)

Personally I agree with a system where in the state actually owns operates and is accountable for the apparatus of state such as the utilities (essential functions for daily existence), and makes them available to all.

Things like water, electricity, gas, public transport, schools etc should be 'free at point of use'. They're essential to daily functionality of citizens and their lives.


 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 15 4.58pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Aug 2015 4.54pm

Quote We are goin up! at 13 Aug 2015 4.15pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Aug 2015 4.08pm


Indeed

At least 15% of the Parliamentary and European Party (ie the MPs elected for Labour) have to back you to get on the ballet, which means a minimum of 35 MPs.

Bloke seems popular with a large and significant percentage of those capable of voting for a new Labor leader. He's not really all that Left Wing either, just to the left of John Smith and Tony Blair (ie not a center right New Labour Old Tory).



As you've quite rightly said before, politics isn't about what you do so much as how you are perceived. As soon as you come out with bonkers ideas like nationalising energy companies and rail transport (at eye wateringly high sums that he's paying for by printing money, apparently), then you are of course going to be portrayed as a leftie.

See he's making a liberal point, a proper leftie would be talking about nationalizing without compensation two industries that have failed to deliver competition or price savings for the end user.

The advantage of state ownership of power companies is that you can control prices (if necessary by subsidization), so that power and transport for citizens is recouped through the taxation they pay, rather than privately (ie like the NHS, free at point of use). In terms of transport it encourages less use of vehicles, reduces traffic congestion etc.

It'd reduce the cost of taxation as well in terms of recouped 'milage' (because individual use of vehicles is massively reduced)

Personally I agree with a system where in the state actually owns operates and is accountable for the apparatus of state such as the utilities (essential functions for daily existence), and makes them available to all.

Things like water, electricity, gas, public transport, schools etc should be 'free at point of use'. They're essential to daily functionality of citizens and their lives.



This in spades. I've no problem if big corporations want to make and sell s*** for us to choose to buy / use or not.

The moment you take the running of infrastructure and give it to (heavily subsidised by the taxpayer) private, profit motive driven organisations is the point where things turn to s***.

Edited by nickgusset (13 Aug 2015 4.59pm)

 
jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Aug 15 5.01pm

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Aug 2015 4.08pm


Indeed

At least 15% of the Parliamentary and European Party (ie the MPs elected for Labour) have to back you to get on the ballet, which means a minimum of 35 MPs.

Bloke seems popular with a large and significant percentage of those capable of voting for a new Labor leader. He's not really all that Left Wing either, just to the left of John Smith and Tony Blair (ie not a center right New Labour Old Tory).


As you've quite rightly said before, politics isn't about what you do so much as how you are perceived. As soon as you come out with bonkers ideas like nationalising energy companies and rail transport (at eye wateringly high sums that he's paying for by printing money, apparently), then you are of course going to be portrayed as a leftie.

Why are they bonkers ideas? Neither should have been privatised in the first place. Most on the left and the right agree on this.


It will cost the taxpayer £180bn to nationalise energy alone. How do you propose we pay for that?

Wow, and look how much we sold those companies for to private share holders, who then made massive rapid profits.... hmm

Personally I'd nationalize them without compensation, at a fixed price per share, based on the value of the infrastructure, not the share price. Use the kind of valuation maybe that was used when selling off those shares?

The government doesn't have to pay 180bn....


 

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npn Flag Crowborough 13 Aug 15 5.29pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Aug 2015 4.54pm

Quote We are goin up! at 13 Aug 2015 4.15pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Aug 2015 4.08pm


Indeed

At least 15% of the Parliamentary and European Party (ie the MPs elected for Labour) have to back you to get on the ballet, which means a minimum of 35 MPs.

Bloke seems popular with a large and significant percentage of those capable of voting for a new Labor leader. He's not really all that Left Wing either, just to the left of John Smith and Tony Blair (ie not a center right New Labour Old Tory).



As you've quite rightly said before, politics isn't about what you do so much as how you are perceived. As soon as you come out with bonkers ideas like nationalising energy companies and rail transport (at eye wateringly high sums that he's paying for by printing money, apparently), then you are of course going to be portrayed as a leftie.

See he's making a liberal point, a proper leftie would be talking about nationalizing without compensation two industries that have failed to deliver competition or price savings for the end user.

The advantage of state ownership of power companies is that you can control prices (if necessary by subsidization), so that power and transport for citizens is recouped through the taxation they pay, rather than privately (ie like the NHS, free at point of use). In terms of transport it encourages less use of vehicles, reduces traffic congestion etc.

It'd reduce the cost of taxation as well in terms of recouped 'milage' (because individual use of vehicles is massively reduced)

Personally I agree with a system where in the state actually owns operates and is accountable for the apparatus of state such as the utilities (essential functions for daily existence), and makes them available to all.

Things like water, electricity, gas, public transport, schools etc should be 'free at point of use'. They're essential to daily functionality of citizens and their lives.



Largely agree, though the last para gives me problems with efficiency. Make electricity/gas free to use, and you'll have thousands of households with the central heating on and the windows open. Sadly, people are largely selfish f*ckers!

Nothing prompts you more to remember to switch the lights off than the thought you actually have to pay for it.

So public ownership - yes
Free service - No

 
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 15 5.32pm

Quote npn at 13 Aug 2015 5.29pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Aug 2015 4.54pm

Quote We are goin up! at 13 Aug 2015 4.15pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Aug 2015 4.08pm


Indeed

At least 15% of the Parliamentary and European Party (ie the MPs elected for Labour) have to back you to get on the ballet, which means a minimum of 35 MPs.

Bloke seems popular with a large and significant percentage of those capable of voting for a new Labor leader. He's not really all that Left Wing either, just to the left of John Smith and Tony Blair (ie not a center right New Labour Old Tory).



As you've quite rightly said before, politics isn't about what you do so much as how you are perceived. As soon as you come out with bonkers ideas like nationalising energy companies and rail transport (at eye wateringly high sums that he's paying for by printing money, apparently), then you are of course going to be portrayed as a leftie.

See he's making a liberal point, a proper leftie would be talking about nationalizing without compensation two industries that have failed to deliver competition or price savings for the end user.

The advantage of state ownership of power companies is that you can control prices (if necessary by subsidization), so that power and transport for citizens is recouped through the taxation they pay, rather than privately (ie like the NHS, free at point of use). In terms of transport it encourages less use of vehicles, reduces traffic congestion etc.

It'd reduce the cost of taxation as well in terms of recouped 'milage' (because individual use of vehicles is massively reduced)

Personally I agree with a system where in the state actually owns operates and is accountable for the apparatus of state such as the utilities (essential functions for daily existence), and makes them available to all.

Things like water, electricity, gas, public transport, schools etc should be 'free at point of use'. They're essential to daily functionality of citizens and their lives.



Largely agree, though the last para gives me problems with efficiency. Make electricity/gas free to use, and you'll have thousands of households with the central heating on and the windows open. Sadly, people are largely selfish f*ckers!

Nothing prompts you more to remember to switch the lights off than the thought you actually have to pay for it.

So public ownership - yes
Free service - No


As an aside, with the mention of free service...perhaps instead of striking, tube workers should just throw open the gates and let people get to their destinations for nothing!

 
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 15 7.20pm

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Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 1.43pm

Look, even Tony Blair has come out and pleaded with Labour voters not to vote in Corbyn.

As I said vote him lefties, and you have single handedly given power to the Tories for the next......... however many years you keep him at the helm for.

Delusional, socialist fantasist who would bring the country to its knee's from a position of steady recovery, within months of his term in office (God forbid).

And if you thought the Tory’s handed Labour their collective arses to them in the last election, wait and see what happens if gets elected.

Please god let him win.


Edited by dannyh (13 Aug 2015 1.45pm)

Exactly. Im a life long Tory voter, but I don't think its healthy at all not to have a robust opposition, and under Corbyn Labour will be a shambles.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 15 7.40pm

Quote reborn at 13 Aug 2015 7.28pm

Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 1.43pm

Look, even Tony Blair has come out and pleaded with Labour voters not to vote in Corbyn.

As I said vote him lefties, and you have single handedly given power to the Tories for the next......... however many years you keep him at the helm for.

Delusional, socialist fantasist who would bring the country to its knee's from a position of steady recovery, within months of his term in office (God forbid).

And if you thought the Tory’s handed Labour their collective arses to them in the last election, wait and see what happens if gets elected.

Please god let him win.


Edited by dannyh (13 Aug 2015 1.45pm)

Exactly. Im a life long Tory voter, but I don't think its healthy at all not to have a robust opposition, and under Corbyn Labour will be a shambles.


We do need a robust opposition, one with different ideas.

 
Palacetinian Flag Surrey Fam 13 Aug 15 8.37pm

Our own Mark Steel has a couple of interesting articles on Corbyn and the Labour leadership...

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He states (extract)...

"He said the rejection notice did not explain specifically why he had been barred from voting.

“It’s a standard thing that clearly goes out to everyone. It says there are two reasons [for rejection]. One is that you don’t support the ideals and values of the Labour party. Or you are a member of a rival organisation,” Steel said.

“I can’t think what that can be, unless it’s Crystal Palace Football Club or my local snooker club in Croydon. Maybe my snooker club is fielding candidates.

“It’s because they have looked at it and gone ‘just no’. I think it has gone to the local party to look at applications to see if they can find anyone that’s considered suspicious. I suppose that someone in the Labour party locally has gone, ‘not him’."

 

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The White Horse Flag 14 Aug 15 2.20am

It amazes me that a membership that preferred David Miliband over Ed is now voting for Jeremy Corbyn & Andy Burnham over Yvette Cooper & Liz Kendall.

Obviously the election will be decided by the £3 trots and the union members, but I find the complicity of members who have repeatedly watched the party get f***ed astonishing.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 14 Aug 15 3.23am

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'A BRITISH political party, founded over 100 years ago by socialists is ‘being infiltrated by socialists.’

Ah modern life.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 14 Aug 15 3.26am

Quote npn at 13 Aug 2015 5.29pm

Largely agree, though the last para gives me problems with efficiency. Make electricity/gas free to use, and you'll have thousands of households with the central heating on and the windows open. Sadly, people are largely selfish f*ckers!

Nothing prompts you more to remember to switch the lights off than the thought you actually have to pay for it.

So public ownership - yes
Free service - No


I'm curious npn......Do you have some German heritage?

 

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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 14 Aug 15 9.27am

Quote nickgusset at 13 Aug 2015 7.40pm

Quote reborn at 13 Aug 2015 7.28pm

Quote dannyh at 13 Aug 2015 1.43pm

Look, even Tony Blair has come out and pleaded with Labour voters not to vote in Corbyn.

As I said vote him lefties, and you have single handedly given power to the Tories for the next......... however many years you keep him at the helm for.

Delusional, socialist fantasist who would bring the country to its knee's from a position of steady recovery, within months of his term in office (God forbid).

And if you thought the Tory’s handed Labour their collective arses to them in the last election, wait and see what happens if gets elected.

Please god let him win.


Edited by dannyh (13 Aug 2015 1.45pm)

Exactly. Im a life long Tory voter, but I don't think its healthy at all not to have a robust opposition, and under Corbyn Labour will be a shambles.


We do need a robust opposition, one that win the heart and minds of the electorate, not just wimmin from Greenham Common, and the unions.

Thats more like it


 

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We are goin up! Flag Coulsdon 14 Aug 15 9.43am

Quote The White Horse at 14 Aug 2015 2.20am

It amazes me that a membership that preferred David Miliband over Ed is now voting for Jeremy Corbyn & Andy Burnham over Yvette Cooper & Liz Kendall.

Obviously the election will be decided by the £3 trots and the union members, but I find the complicity of members who have repeatedly watched the party get f***ed astonishing.


Exactly.

 

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 14 Aug 15 9.52am

A portent for Corbyn?

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DanH Flag SW2 14 Aug 15 9.53am

Straw poll: If it meant Blair getting tried for war crimes at the Hague would you vote for Corbyn for PM?

 
dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 14 Aug 15 10.00am

Quote DanH at 14 Aug 2015 9.53am

Straw poll: If it meant Blair getting tried for war crimes at the Hague would you vote for Corbyn for PM?


No. Tempting as it would be, to see Balir get his, has to be NO,I dont want to see the country sent to rack and ruin for the sake of one slimey smary bstad.

Credit where credit is due, I did pause for thought.

 

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Johnny Eagles Flag berlin 14 Aug 15 10.01am

Owen Jones was going on about the 'surge' in membership and how, if Corbyn becomes leader, 'the Left' could again become a dynamic and influential movement. It would be like 1945 all over again.

Cloud bleeding cuckoo land, mate.

It is quite funny how lefties are deluding themselves that just because Corbyn might win a leadership contest that suddenly the whole world has become a lot more left wing. It HASN'T. You can fill up my Facebook feed with your guff all day long (indeed you are doing so), it won't change a thing.

Elect whoever you want, Labour isn't getting near power for a minimum of ten years. The leftier your leader, the further away power gets.

 

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Johnny Eagles Flag berlin 14 Aug 15 10.02am

Quote Stirlingsays at 14 Aug 2015 3.26am

Quote npn at 13 Aug 2015 5.29pm

Largely agree, though the last para gives me problems with efficiency. Make electricity/gas free to use, and you'll have thousands of households with the central heating on and the windows open. Sadly, people are largely selfish f*ckers!

Nothing prompts you more to remember to switch the lights off than the thought you actually have to pay for it.

So public ownership - yes
Free service - No


I'm curious npn......Do you have some German heritage?

Racist.

 

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