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 Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 29 Jun 16 10.01pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
No, we should play our own way, the British way not copy others. If you take English players from Spurs, Man U, Liverpool etc who play a certain way for their clubs and ask them to play a completely different way they will struggle. You should bring your own brand and identity to a tournament and represent YOUR game. The Italians play an Italian way the way they do in Serie A, The Spanish the Spain way like they do in La Liga, Germans a German way like they do in the Bundesliga. England should play an English way like it is in the Premiership and with an English manager
However, I saw an info graphic earlier of the last 15 tournaments (WC & Euros) only two of the winners had foreign managers. Greece and someone else. Also even more interestingly, in the last 15 tournaments the winning managers had an average of 17 international caps each. This was distorted by Beckenbauer and Voghts who had a gazillion caps between them.
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Willo  South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Jun 16 10.36pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
All well and good but those English players play for foreign managers so I am not sure that logic works. In fact 22 of the 23 England squad played for foreign managers last season.The only one who didn't was Tom Heaton of Burnley. And I don't accept all this hogwash about tired players who need a mid-winter break etc etc. What about the PL players from other nations who are still in the competition ?
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chateauferret  30 Jun 16 2.13am |
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Originally posted by Willo
In fact 22 of the 23 England squad played for foreign managers last season.The only one who didn't was Tom Heaton of Burnley. And I don't accept all this hogwash about tired players who need a mid-winter break etc etc. What about the PL players from other nations who are still in the competition ? A lot of the Iceland players play in the Championship where they get 46 matches instead of 38 and they were as fresh as daisies on Monday night. It's far too feeble even to be considered a feeble excuse.
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twist  Miami, Florida 30 Jun 16 3.02am |
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I think Gerrard's opinion makes alot of sense, he claims that England players are so fearful of failure now, so scared of not winning because of the abuse they will get, that they freeze on the football field, that their natural game goes out the window and they are reduced to thinking about everything they do whilst trying to avoid thinking whats going to happen if they lose.
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| Dubai Eagle 30 Jun 16 5.02am |
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Rafa remains my first choice, but another thought would be Gus Hiddink , isn't he free at the moment?
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| Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 30 Jun 16 8.23am |
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Originally posted by twist
I think Gerrard's opinion makes alot of sense, he claims that England players are so fearful of failure now, so scared of not winning because of the abuse they will get, that they freeze on the football field, that their natural game goes out the window and they are reduced to thinking about everything they do whilst trying to avoid thinking whats going to happen if they lose. Historically he would have had a point. It seems to me expectations were so low beating Iceland and getting to the Quarters would have been viewed as relatively successful
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Pussay Patrol  30 Jun 16 11.38am |
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Originally posted by Dubai Eagle
Rafa remains my first choice, but another thought would be Gus Hiddink , isn't he free at the moment? Rafa who just relegated Newcastle? Say what you like about Sam A-lard-arse but he has a proud record of never being relegated and is a proud Englishman. What is the school of thought that puts Rafa ahead of Big Sam in the pecking order?
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| Dubai Eagle 30 Jun 16 12.03pm |
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I like Sam, he does exactly what it says on the tin, his speciality is working with teams that are championship level trying to achieve promotion or premiership teams fighting relegation, most of them low to mid table level, (with the possible exception of West Ham) he gets ordinary players pulling together in the right direction & he is bloody good at it-however Rafa has worked very much at the top end of football (Where I would like to think most of our England team players would come from)Rafa has worked at the top in England with Liverpool (albeit a while ago)& in all honesty Newcastle were just about relegated when he got there so I don't hold that against hime - but more importantly he has worked & flourished at the top end of Europe where most of our international competitors come from so he will have some idea of who we are playing against & what tactics to use to prepare a defence against them, Rafa has an exceptionally good CV with an extremely good pedigree of winning trophies & league titles (Honestly if you Wiki it, most people would be amazed) the backroom team Rafa could command in this position would be very skilled to support the position, and as I said in my earlier post , he would have the respect of the players & fit in with HQ & the media couldn't complain. For sure we will have our choices, but honestly he is mine.
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| Dubai Eagle 30 Jun 16 12.06pm |
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Rafael Benítez
Rafael Benítez Shahter-Reak M 2015 (2).jpg Personal information
Date of birth Place of birth Height Playing position Club information Current team Senior career*
1974–1981 1981 1981–1985 1985–1986 Total National team
Teams managed
1995–1996 1996 1997–1999 2000–2001 2001–2004 2004–2010 2010 2012–2013 2013–2015 2015–2016 2016– * Senior club appearances and goals counted for the domestic league only. † Appearances (goals) Rafael "Rafa" Benítez Maudes (born 16 April 1960) is a Spanish football coach currently managing Newcastle United. He is the only manager in history to have won the UEFA Europa League, UEFA Super Cup, UEFA Champions League and the FIFA Club World Cup.[2] Benítez joined Real Madrid's coaching staff at the age of 26, going on to work as the under-19 and reserve team coach, and assistant manager for the senior team. Benítez moved away from Real Madrid, but management spells at Real Valladolid and Osasuna were short-lived and unsuccessful. Benítez guided Segunda División side Extremadura back to the Primera División in his first season in 1997, but the team was relegated the following season. He left the club, and coached Tenerife in 2000, winning promotion in his only season. Benítez was appointed coach of Valencia and he proved himself to be amongst the top Spanish managers by winning La Liga in the 2001–02 season. In 2004, another La Liga league title and a UEFA Cup victory were added. Following his successful season, the Spaniard then moved to English club Liverpool of the Premier League, guiding the club to victory in the UEFA Champions League in 2005. For the second consecutive season, he was named UEFA Manager of the Year. He also won the FA Cup in 2006 and reached the 2007 Champions League Final, but remained unable to win the Premier League, with Liverpool's best league performance under Benítez a second-place finish in 2008–09. After leaving Liverpool in June 2010, Benítez managed Inter Milan, whom he guided to the Supercoppa Italiana and FIFA Club World Cup titles, but was dismissed midway through the 2010–11 season. In November 2012 he was appointed interim manager of Chelsea for the remainder of the season, with which he won the 2013 Europa League. Benítez returned to Italy in 2013 to coach Napoli, where he won the Coppa Italia and Supercoppa Italiana. Benítez then left Napoli and became coach of Real Madrid in June 2015 on an initial three-year contract. On 4 January 2016, however, he was dismissed following a 2–2 draw against Valencia, with Real Madrid third in La Liga behind Barcelona and Atlético Madrid. On 11 March 2016, Benítez was announced as the manager of Newcastle United.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Jun 16 4.58pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
However, I saw an info graphic earlier of the last 15 tournaments (WC & Euros) only two of the winners had foreign managers. Greece and someone else. Also even more interestingly, in the last 15 tournaments the winning managers had an average of 17 international caps each. This was distorted by Beckenbauer and Voghts who had a gazillion caps between them. How many had English managers?
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| Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 30 Jun 16 5.03pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
How many had English managers? Now let me think I was wrong only one winner had a foreign manager info here, I found it quite interesting [Link]
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Jun 16 5.03pm |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
A lot of the Iceland players play in the Championship where they get 46 matches instead of 38 and they were as fresh as daisies on Monday night. It's far too feeble even to be considered a feeble excuse. And they had the same starting 11 in the last four games. I think we have to face the fact that England are s**t, and have been since 1996. I think the manager and the squad generally consist of people who are hammered for any decision in the press, but receive no praise for success and its resulted in a culture of nervous players, and managers who select squads based on popularity of players. The team that started the last of the group matches were arguably the right choice for Iceland, but instead he reverts to the tactics of Russia and then substitutions based more on hope they'll make a difference than to make a difference. Well at least the money is good, I see no other reason why someone would take the England job.
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