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Stirlingsays 13 Aug 17 9.37am
Originally posted by nickgusset Watched different news channels after I last posted. On 3 of them different reporters said the white supremacists had been emboldened (yes they used the same word as I did) I think yer in a minority. You are watching an echo chamber. Did you watch Tim Pool on the link I provided....probably not. And like I say, you do the very thing you complain about. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

13 Aug 17 9.37am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Watched different news channels after I last posted. On 3 of them different reporters said the white supremacists had been emboldened (yes they used the same word as I did)
I think yer in a minority.

You are watching an echo chamber. Did you watch Tim Pool on the link I provided....probably not.

And like I say, you do the very thing you complain about.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

matt_himself Matataland 13 Aug 17 10.07am
We are in a very difficult political time and it is clear that a substantial proportion of the public in mature democracies have simply had enough of mainstream and collectively feel disenfranchised from government, regardless of whether they are left, right or centre. Brexit, Greece, Macron, Trump, Corbyn and Wilders are phenomena which pre-crunch wouldn't have happened. What we are seeing in the US is a situation that has been brewing for a decade. People are angry but not sure at whom to be angry at. The root causes for this are opaque but include nationalism, globalisation, technology, social media, the dying of traditional media, the lack of quality& creibility of mainstream politicians, a selfish modern social culture, a bizarre global feeling that most people feel 'oppressed' and conversely 'entitled', the rise of a China and the economic empowerment of different sections of society. The events in Virginia looked to me like two spoilt groups - neo nazis and antifa - taking social media squabbles to the Street. The arsehole whom drove the car into the crowd should be tried as a terrorist as there is no difference between their actions and the actions of the truck driver in Nice. These groups really need to think about themselves and their aims, as both groups intentions appear to be they are anti the other, with no real objectives beyond that. This isn't Trump's fault and I bet both sides feel empowered to 'act' after his election victory. One side because they mistakenly think he is on their side and the other because they think Trump is the anti-Christ. Let's just hope this doesn't spread. The last thing the World needs at the moment is the US distracted with an internal crisis whilst North Korea does its mischief. Edited by matt_himself (13 Aug 2017 10.08am) "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 13 Aug 17 10.07am

We are in a very difficult political time and it is clear that a substantial proportion of the public in mature democracies have simply had enough of mainstream and collectively feel disenfranchised from government, regardless of whether they are left, right or centre.

Brexit, Greece, Macron, Trump, Corbyn and Wilders are phenomena which pre-crunch wouldn't have happened.

What we are seeing in the US is a situation that has been brewing for a decade. People are angry but not sure at whom to be angry at. The root causes for this are opaque but include nationalism, globalisation, technology, social media, the dying of traditional media, the lack of quality& creibility of mainstream politicians, a selfish modern social culture, a bizarre global feeling that most people feel 'oppressed' and conversely 'entitled', the rise of a China and the economic empowerment of different sections of society.

The events in Virginia looked to me like two spoilt groups - neo nazis and antifa - taking social media squabbles to the Street. The arsehole whom drove the car into the crowd should be tried as a terrorist as there is no difference between their actions and the actions of the truck driver in Nice. These groups really need to think about themselves and their aims, as both groups intentions appear to be they are anti the other, with no real objectives beyond that.

This isn't Trump's fault and I bet both sides feel empowered to 'act' after his election victory. One side because they mistakenly think he is on their side and the other because they think Trump is the anti-Christ.

Let's just hope this doesn't spread. The last thing the World needs at the moment is the US distracted with an internal crisis whilst North Korea does its mischief.

Edited by matt_himself (13 Aug 2017 10.08am)

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 17 10.09am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You are watching an echo chamber. Did you watch Tim Pool on the link I provided....probably not. And like I say, you do the very thing you complain about. Watched the video. Said both sides are as bad as eachother. I'm sorry whilst he may have a point it doesn't address the fact that there are Nazis marching in the US in 2017. There are Nazis deliberately driving a car at speed into a crowd (but it's not a terrorist act!) I think that Trump's rhetoric (look back at his election rallies. Taking the piss out of disabled people or throwing Muslims out of rallies) has stoked up fascism or fascistic attitudes because they think it's ok because that's the type of stuff the POTUS has said. [Link] Edited by nickgusset (13 Aug 2017 10.17am)

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 17 10.09am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You are watching an echo chamber. Did you watch Tim Pool on the link I provided....probably not.

And like I say, you do the very thing you complain about.

Watched the video. Said both sides are as bad as eachother. I'm sorry whilst he may have a point it doesn't address the fact that there are Nazis marching in the US in 2017. There are Nazis deliberately driving a car at speed into a crowd (but it's not a terrorist act!)
I think that Trump's rhetoric (look back at his election rallies. Taking the piss out of disabled people or throwing Muslims out of rallies) has stoked up fascism or fascistic attitudes because they think it's ok because that's the type of stuff the POTUS has said.

[Link]

Edited by nickgusset (13 Aug 2017 10.17am)

snytaxx London 13 Aug 17 10.23am
Originally posted by nickgusset Watched the video. Said both sides are as bad as eachother. I'm sorry whilst he may have a point it doesn't address the fact that there are Nazis marching in the US in 2017. There are Nazis deliberately driving a car at speed into a crowd (but it's not a terrorist act!) I think that Trump's rhetoric (look back at his election rallies. Taking the piss out of disabled people or throwing Muslims out of rallies) has stoked up fascism or fascistic attitudes because they think it's ok because that's the type of stuff the POTUS has said. Absolutely right to point this out Nick, the problem in the there isn't much room for criticism (from the left) considering that if you were to take trumps statement and replace the word 'Virginia' with 'Venezuela' - you basically have Corbyn's statement from a few days earlier. I.e. a generic 'violence is bad' statement without taking responsibility for pasts dealings with said group. Can't have it both ways good sir!

snytaxx

London 13 Aug 17 10.23am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Absolutely right to point this out Nick, the problem in the there isn't much room for criticism (from the left) considering that if you were to take trumps statement and replace the word 'Virginia' with 'Venezuela' - you basically have Corbyn's statement from a few days earlier. I.e. a generic 'violence is bad' statement without taking responsibility for pasts dealings with said group.

Can't have it both ways good sir!

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 17 10.32am
Originally posted by snytaxx Absolutely right to point this out Nick, the problem in the there isn't much room for criticism (from the left) considering that if you were to take trumps statement and replace the word 'Virginia' with 'Venezuela' - you basically have Corbyn's statement from a few days earlier. I.e. a generic 'violence is bad' statement without taking responsibility for pasts dealings with said group. Can't have it both ways good sir! If you look at the figures on the deaths in Venezuela, most are the result of opposition actions. However this isn't being reported which makes Corbyn's statement about both sides seem a bit hollow. But that's because only half of the story is being told. But I take your point.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 17 10.32am

Originally posted by snytaxx

Can't have it both ways good sir!

If you look at the figures on the deaths in Venezuela, most are the result of opposition actions. However this isn't being reported which makes Corbyn's statement about both sides seem a bit hollow. But that's because only half of the story is being told.

But I take your point.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 17 10.42am
Pertinent 70 years on. [Tweet Link] Edited by nickgusset (13 Aug 2017 10.43am)

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 17 10.42am

Pertinent 70 years on.

[Tweet Link]

Edited by nickgusset (13 Aug 2017 10.43am)

snytaxx London 13 Aug 17 11.16am
Originally posted by nickgusset If you look at the figures on the deaths in Venezuela, most are the result of opposition actions. However this isn't being reported which makes Corbyn's statement about both sides seem a bit hollow. But that's because only half of the story is being told. But I take your point. Without wanting to sound disrespectful, I don't care about your figures, because it would start to legitimise a notion that some forms of political violence are okay - it isn't. The other day while sitting on the throne I came up with a theory which I aptly named 'the flying turd analysis'. Do bare with me, because it might be of interest for you to learn while this whole issue utterly stinks on both sides. It struck me that part of Corbyn's / Trump's problem is that while they themselves might denounce a particular issue or outcome of an issue i.e. they take steps to avoid the incoming political turd which is flying towards them and just let it fly by with a slight whiff of regret (a couple of bad headlines here and there). Some in there camp (Corbynista's and Trump supporters) will attempt to catch the incoming turd in the hopes they can throw it back at their political enemies. Now, while some of them with the use of facts and figures (like your last post) might try to deflect the incoming 's* storm' back on to their opponents they still end up inadvertently 'owning' the turd i.e. trying to justify Trump's / Corbyn's viewpoint / history / past dealings with a very questionable faction. And what happens when you try and throw the turd back at the opposition in the form of a hypocritically smarmy response? Well you might put the opposition on the back foot temporarily due to a high velocity piece of excrement flying their way, however you and the person you try and protect (Corbyn) still end up smelling of s* having just touched a turd. My advice to you Nick is to let the huge turd of that is the Venezuelan cultural marxist dictatorship fly by and accept the whole thing is / was a rotten idea to begin with - it'll be forgotten in a matter of weeks. Don't try and justify 'your sides' past dealings with such a toxic issue just to you can try and pin a relapse of neo-facism in Virginia on president Trump. I wish you a turd-free day!

snytaxx

London 13 Aug 17 11.16am

Originally posted by nickgusset

But I take your point.

Without wanting to sound disrespectful, I don't care about your figures, because it would start to legitimise a notion that some forms of political violence are okay - it isn't.

The other day while sitting on the throne I came up with a theory which I aptly named 'the flying turd analysis'. Do bare with me, because it might be of interest for you to learn while this whole issue utterly stinks on both sides.

It struck me that part of Corbyn's / Trump's problem is that while they themselves might denounce a particular issue or outcome of an issue i.e. they take steps to avoid the incoming political turd which is flying towards them and just let it fly by with a slight whiff of regret (a couple of bad headlines here and there). Some in there camp (Corbynista's and Trump supporters) will attempt to catch the incoming turd in the hopes they can throw it back at their political enemies.

Now, while some of them with the use of facts and figures (like your last post) might try to deflect the incoming 's*** storm' back on to their opponents they still end up inadvertently 'owning' the turd i.e. trying to justify Trump's / Corbyn's viewpoint / history / past dealings with a very questionable faction. And what happens when you try and throw the turd back at the opposition in the form of a hypocritically smarmy response? Well you might put the opposition on the back foot temporarily due to a high velocity piece of excrement flying their way, however you and the person you try and protect (Corbyn) still end up smelling of s*** having just touched a turd.

My advice to you Nick is to let the huge turd of that is the Venezuelan cultural marxist dictatorship fly by and accept the whole thing is / was a rotten idea to begin with - it'll be forgotten in a matter of weeks. Don't try and justify 'your sides' past dealings with such a toxic issue just to you can try and pin a relapse of neo-facism in Virginia on president Trump.

I wish you a turd-free day!

Stirlingsays 13 Aug 17 11.17am
Originally posted by nickgusset Watched the video. Said both sides are as bad as eachother. I'm sorry whilst he may have a point it doesn't address the fact that there are Nazis marching in the US in 2017. There are Nazis deliberately driving a car at speed into a crowd (but it's not a terrorist act!) I think that Trump's rhetoric (look back at his election rallies. Taking the piss out of disabled people or throwing Muslims out of rallies) has stoked up fascism or fascistic attitudes because they think it's ok because that's the type of stuff the POTUS has said. [Link] Edited by nickgusset (13 Aug 2017 10.17am) Could you stop mis-labelling them, they aren't 'Nazis'. 'Nazis', are specific to their time and place....It's just a silly rallying cry. They are the far right from what I can tell....I find it hard to gather up the interest to find out.....But I know they aren't 'Nazis' Nick. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

13 Aug 17 11.17am

Originally posted by nickgusset

[Link]

Edited by nickgusset (13 Aug 2017 10.17am)

Could you stop mis-labelling them, they aren't 'Nazis'.

'Nazis', are specific to their time and place....It's just a silly rallying cry. They are the far right from what I can tell....I find it hard to gather up the interest to find out.....But I know they aren't 'Nazis' Nick.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 13 Aug 17 11.22am
Originally posted by nickgusset If you look at the figures on the deaths in Venezuela, most are the result of opposition actions. However this isn't being reported which makes Corbyn's statement about both sides seem a bit hollow. But that's because only half of the story is being told. But I take your point. I would genuinely be interested in finding out where you got the evidence for what you say here. Did you watch the video of people being murdered on the street? Are you saying this is the opposition? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

13 Aug 17 11.22am

Originally posted by nickgusset

But I take your point.

I would genuinely be interested in finding out where you got the evidence for what you say here.

Did you watch the video of people being murdered on the street? Are you saying this is the opposition?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 13 Aug 17 11.25am
Originally posted by nickgusset Pertinent 70 years on. Edited by nickgusset (13 Aug 2017 10.43am) False equivalency. All the countries on Trump's travel ban were from Obama's list of problem countries due to their lack of checks on radicals. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

13 Aug 17 11.25am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Pertinent 70 years on.

Edited by nickgusset (13 Aug 2017 10.43am)

False equivalency.

All the countries on Trump's travel ban were from Obama's list of problem countries due to their lack of checks on radicals.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Dave58 Ipswich 13 Aug 17 11.25am
The thing I don't like about Trump is the involvement of his family. I know that past presidents have been influenced by the First Lady, but his wife is always in the picture, even at high level summits. His family have all got jobs within the White House. Is he actually running the country or his missus?

Dave58

Ipswich 13 Aug 17 11.25am

The thing I don't like about Trump is the involvement of his family. I know that past presidents have been influenced by the First Lady, but his wife is always in the picture, even at high level summits. His family have all got jobs within the White House. Is he actually running the country or his missus?

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 17 11.28am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I would genuinely be interested in finding out where you got the evidence for what you say here. Did you watch the video of people being murdered on the street? Are you saying this is the opposition? It's in links on the Venezuela thread.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 17 11.28am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I would genuinely be interested in finding out where you got the evidence for what you say here.

Did you watch the video of people being murdered on the street? Are you saying this is the opposition?

It's in links on the Venezuela thread.

Stirlingsays 13 Aug 17 11.31am
Originally posted by Dave58 The thing I don't like about Trump is the involvement of his family. I know that past presidents have been influenced by the First Lady, but his wife is always in the picture, even at high level summits. His family have all got jobs within the White House. Is he actually running the country or his missus? It's true but we've had that before....People use to criticise Clinton for his wife. With Trump it's worse though....but I think it's a reflection of his lack of trust. His daughter's views appear to be his moral compass and he relies upon generals a lot....probably because projecting power via a strong foreign policy is far more important to him than domestic policy. Expect sh1t to happen at some stage.....though a first strike nuclear attack is unlikely from the US. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

13 Aug 17 11.31am

Originally posted by Dave58

It's true but we've had that before....People use to criticise Clinton for his wife. With Trump it's worse though....but I think it's a reflection of his lack of trust. His daughter's views appear to be his moral compass and he relies upon generals a lot....probably because projecting power via a strong foreign policy is far more important to him than domestic policy.

Expect sh1t to happen at some stage.....though a first strike nuclear attack is unlikely from the US.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 13 Aug 17 11.31am
Originally posted by nickgusset It's in links on the Venezuela thread. That's not good enough. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

13 Aug 17 11.31am

Originally posted by nickgusset

It's in links on the Venezuela thread.

That's not good enough.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 17 11.46am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays That's not good enough. [Link] At least 124 people have died since opposition-led protests aimed at toppling the government began. Headlines about ongoing violence in Venezuela are practically inescapable, with at least 124 people dead since opposition-led protests aimed at toppling the government began in early April. In addition to those killed, hundreds have been injured in the protests. Right-wing opposition leaders have attempted to portray the deaths as examples of state repression and evidence of the "dictatorship" that they are aiming to topple. Mainstream media have by and large echoed this version of events, using titles like “Venezuelan Regime Has Blood On Its Hands” and “Venezuela's Tiananmen Moment." Some outlets have even gone as far as claiming the elected government of President Nicolas Maduro as engaging in “a campaign of state genocide.” The reality of the situation on the ground, however, demonstrates something very different. Here’s a breakdown of those killed since the opposition protests began. Breakdown is in the link.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 17 11.46am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That's not good enough.

[Link]

At least 124 people have died since opposition-led protests aimed at toppling the government began.
Headlines about ongoing violence in Venezuela are practically inescapable, with at least 124 people dead since opposition-led protests aimed at toppling the government began in early April.

In addition to those killed, hundreds have been injured in the protests.

Right-wing opposition leaders have attempted to portray the deaths as examples of state repression and evidence of the "dictatorship" that they are aiming to topple. Mainstream media have by and large echoed this version of events, using titles like “Venezuelan Regime Has Blood On Its Hands” and “Venezuela's Tiananmen Moment."

Some outlets have even gone as far as claiming the elected government of President Nicolas Maduro as engaging in “a campaign of state genocide.”

The reality of the situation on the ground, however, demonstrates something very different.

Here’s a breakdown of those killed since the opposition protests began.

Breakdown is in the link.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 17 12.06pm
Stirling, even your mate agrees... [Tweet Link]

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 17 12.06pm

Stirling, even your mate agrees...

[Tweet Link]

Stirlingsays 13 Aug 17 12.07pm
Originally posted by nickgusset [Link] At least 124 people have died since opposition-led protests aimed at toppling the government began. Headlines about ongoing violence in Venezuela are practically inescapable, with at least 124 people dead since opposition-led protests aimed at toppling the government began in early April. In addition to those killed, hundreds have been injured in the protests. Right-wing opposition leaders have attempted to portray the deaths as examples of state repression and evidence of the "dictatorship" that they are aiming to topple. Mainstream media have by and large echoed this version of events, using titles like “Venezuelan Regime Has Blood On Its Hands” and “Venezuela's Tiananmen Moment." Some outlets have even gone as far as claiming the elected government of President Nicolas Maduro as engaging in “a campaign of state genocide.” The reality of the situation on the ground, however, demonstrates something very different. Here’s a breakdown of those killed since the opposition protests began. Breakdown is in the link. Thanks for providing that. It's interesting that you ignore the main media view on this and search out an alternative view. But I won't criticise that. However I'm suspicious of this article. For example, the attached graphic of a snapshot of deaths. If headlines the view that five were killed by Police yet ignores the security deaths shown on its graphic itself...why just mention Police? Also it has twelve pro government deaths yet manages to somehow ascertain that these other deaths are not caused by partizans. I'm suspicious of the article but at least it's another view. I will continue to try to ensure that I have as accurate a view as possible. I'll look to see what human rights watch are saying. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Aug 2017 12.17pm) Attachment: ven.JPG (53.52Kb) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

13 Aug 17 12.07pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

[Link]

Here’s a breakdown of those killed since the opposition protests began.

Breakdown is in the link.

Thanks for providing that. It's interesting that you ignore the main media view on this and search out an alternative view. But I won't criticise that.

However I'm suspicious of this article. For example, the attached graphic of a snapshot of deaths.

If headlines the view that five were killed by Police yet ignores the security deaths shown on its graphic itself...why just mention Police? Also it has twelve pro government deaths yet manages to somehow ascertain that these other deaths are not caused by partizans.

I'm suspicious of the article but at least it's another view. I will continue to try to ensure that I have as accurate a view as possible. I'll look to see what human rights watch are saying.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Aug 2017 12.17pm)

Attachment: ven.JPG (53.52Kb)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 13 Aug 17 12.09pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Stirling, even your mate agrees... [Tweet Link] Yeah, I am a big fan of his....don't agree with him on everything but he hits lots of marks....and neo nazi is nearer...if still not accurate.....media equals sensationalism. Also, I agree that far right groups are just wrong and pushing the wrong path. Their way leads to race war....pretty much like their left wing opposites. I don't believe that society should deal with its cohesion problems like that. Tolerance, whilst a rigid defence of secularism....This means the power of religions must legally be kept separate from politics and the legal system....and away from schools. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Aug 2017 12.16pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

13 Aug 17 12.09pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Stirling, even your mate agrees...

[Tweet Link]

Yeah, I am a big fan of his....don't agree with him on everything but he hits lots of marks....and neo nazi is nearer...if still not accurate.....media equals sensationalism.

Also, I agree that far right groups are just wrong and pushing the wrong path. Their way leads to race war....pretty much like their left wing opposites. I don't believe that society should deal with its cohesion problems like that.

Tolerance, whilst a rigid defence of secularism....This means the power of religions must legally be kept separate from politics and the legal system....and away from schools.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Aug 2017 12.16pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 13 Aug 17 12.33pm
I went to human rights watch and looked up Venezuela to see what they had to say. It's a stark contrast to Nick's linked to article that blames most deaths on the opposition. You know Nick...I'm starting to think that perhaps your posts should come with a disclaimer. The human rights watch linked to video: [Link] [Link] [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Aug 2017 12.34pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

13 Aug 17 12.33pm

I went to human rights watch and looked up Venezuela to see what they had to say. It's a stark contrast to Nick's linked to article that blames most deaths on the opposition. You know Nick...I'm starting to think that perhaps your posts should come with a disclaimer.

The human rights watch linked to video:
[Link]

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Aug 2017 12.34pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 17 12.46pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I went to human rights watch and looked up Venezuela to see what they had to say. It's a stark contrast to Nick's linked to article that blames most deaths on the opposition. You know Nick...I'm starting to think that perhaps your posts should come with a disclaimer. The human rights watch linked to video: [Link] [Link] [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Aug 2017 12.34pm) Interesting that the 3rd link talks about a lack of medicines and food. What many don't seem to know is that Venezuela is a mixed economy where private companies are in charge of distribution of food and medicines. Interior and Justice Minister Nestor Reverol has claimed that the U.S. is attempting a “financial coup” to “strangle our country,” through hyperinflation and political turmoil in order to end the 18-year-old Bolivarian Revolution. But that perspective is rarely given credence in the MSM. More often, we’re told of Maduro’s “economic incompetence,” government “mismanagement of funds,” and “rampant corruption”. As Jeffrey Taylor wrote in Foreign Policy (March 21, 2016), “Maduro’s response” to food shortages and currency crises “has been to blame everything on scheming ‘Yanquis’…” It’s important to emphasize that Venezuela is not fully socialist, but has a “mixed” economy, with the private sector involved in many crucial sectors such as food distribution, pharmaceuticals, consumer product importation and sales, and the media. John Pilger has described Venezuela as a “reformist social democracy with a capitalist base” – a description that helps us understand what is happening there. As Caleb T. Maupin wrote for Mint Press News last year (July 12, 2016), “It’s odd that the mainstream press blames ‘socialism’ for the food problems in Venezuela, when the food distributors remain in the hands of private corporations,” who are “running general sabotage” of the system. That sabotage by the private sector has taken the form of hoarding of selected items, price speculation, keeping supermarket shelves empty, sending food shipments to neighbouring countries, even setting food warehouse stockpiles on fire. This purposely-generated scarcity creates chaos and discontent, further undermining the government. Maria Paez Victor notes that “The opposition orchestrated economic sabotage, corporate smuggling, black market currency manipulations, full scale hoarding of food and essential products. They closed highways, burned public buildings including a packed maternity hospital, from a helicopter dropped grenades on to the Supreme Court offices, have assaulted, lynched and even burned alive [at least 21] young men of dark skin ‘who looked Chavista’. This is a violent opposition steeped in racism and classism against their own people and in the service of foreign powers and Big Oil.” from [Link] Now I'm not saying that no fault lies on the side of Maduro, far from it. But the way the media are painting it , it's as if it's all down to his 'regime' Edited by nickgusset (13 Aug 2017 12.49pm)

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 17 12.46pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The human rights watch linked to video:
[Link]

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Aug 2017 12.34pm)

Interesting that the 3rd link talks about a lack of medicines and food.
What many don't seem to know is that Venezuela is a mixed economy where private companies are in charge of distribution of food and medicines.

Interior and Justice Minister Nestor Reverol has claimed that the U.S. is attempting a “financial coup” to “strangle our country,” through hyperinflation and political turmoil in order to end the 18-year-old Bolivarian Revolution.

But that perspective is rarely given credence in the MSM. More often, we’re told of Maduro’s “economic incompetence,” government “mismanagement of funds,” and “rampant corruption”. As Jeffrey Taylor wrote in Foreign Policy (March 21, 2016), “Maduro’s response” to food shortages and currency crises “has been to blame everything on scheming ‘Yanquis’…”

It’s important to emphasize that Venezuela is not fully socialist, but has a “mixed” economy, with the private sector involved in many crucial sectors such as food distribution, pharmaceuticals, consumer product importation and sales, and the media. John Pilger has described Venezuela as a “reformist social democracy with a capitalist base” – a description that helps us understand what is happening there.

As Caleb T. Maupin wrote for Mint Press News last year (July 12, 2016), “It’s odd that the mainstream press blames ‘socialism’ for the food problems in Venezuela, when the food distributors remain in the hands of private corporations,” who are “running general sabotage” of the system.

That sabotage by the private sector has taken the form of hoarding of selected items, price speculation, keeping supermarket shelves empty, sending food shipments to neighbouring countries, even setting food warehouse stockpiles on fire. This purposely-generated scarcity creates chaos and discontent, further undermining the government.

Maria Paez Victor notes that “The opposition orchestrated economic sabotage, corporate smuggling, black market currency manipulations, full scale hoarding of food and essential products. They closed highways, burned public buildings including a packed maternity hospital, from a helicopter dropped grenades on to the Supreme Court offices, have assaulted, lynched and even burned alive [at least 21] young men of dark skin ‘who looked Chavista’. This is a violent opposition steeped in racism and classism against their own people and in the service of foreign powers and Big Oil.”

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Now I'm not saying that no fault lies on the side of Maduro, far from it. But the way the media are painting it , it's as if it's all down to his 'regime'

Edited by nickgusset (13 Aug 2017 12.49pm)

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