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EddieMac Flag 21 Jul 20 8.55am

Originally posted by adelaar

What does everyone think of getting in the Cowley brothers? Huge step up yes, but they are young, progressive and we might even play football. Plus have championship experience should the worst happen. Rumours are they wanted Huddersfield to follow the Burnley method (which was rejected by their chairman) that's we are at?

The same 2 blokes who have just been sacked after almost relegating Huddersfield ?

 

The Dolphin Flag 21 Jul 20 9.08am

Roy may not be the main reason for where we are and what we are doing but he is a part of problem for sure.
If we are only thinking as far as next year then what is the point.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Jul 20 9.10am

Originally posted by EddieMac


The same 2 blokes who have just been sacked after almost relegating Huddersfield ?

When they arrived at Huddersfield, the club were second from bottom and when they left they were 18th out of 24.

It would appear that the club and the Cowleys were not on the same wavelength in terms of the way forward and Huddersfield have approached one of Bielsa's assistants as a replacement.

 

MonsterMunch Flag Cambridge 21 Jul 20 9.23am

[Link] -- in fairness to him has a point.. he has not had a goalscorer at the club in his entire time here. Begs the question why was Sorloth jettisoned then? I know he was awful but if we are short on bodies why did we not keep him.. surely its Roy and Rays job to improve the players?

However I am more than concerned with his comments around he doesnt know what else we could do. How about try something different.. if your tactics and personnel has resulted in 6 straight losses prior to this game.. try something different.. players, tactics, formation.. something. Hes too stubborn for his own good. In my opinion he does some of these things as a display to Parish and co.

 

Jacey Flag 21 Jul 20 9.32am

Originally posted by MonsterMunch

[Link] -- in fairness to him has a point.. he has not had a goalscorer at the club in his entire time here. Begs the question why was Sorloth jettisoned then? I know he was awful but if we are short on bodies why did we not keep him.. surely its Roy and Rays job to improve the players?

However I am more than concerned with his comments around he doesnt know what else we could do. How about try something different.. if your tactics and personnel has resulted in 6 straight losses prior to this game.. try something different.. players, tactics, formation.. something. Hes too stubborn for his own good. In my opinion he does some of these things as a display to Parish and co.

Some straightforward facts.
Seven defeats in a row, Roy has got to go.
Bereft of any ideas to pull us out of our slump.

 

southnorwoodhill Flag 21 Jul 20 9.46am

"Hello Steve, you wanted to see me?"
"Yes Roy, please take a seat. Firstly let me thank you for securing another year in the Premiership in what have been trying circumstances. What I really wanted to talk to you about is our recent alarming form. 8 games, 8 losses, this isn't very good at all, and to top it off you appear to have lost the players too. Overall, how do you think the season has gone, and how do you envisage next season?"

 

PatrickA Flag London 21 Jul 20 9.51am

If we finish the season with 8 consecutive defeats and then start the new season under Hodgson with say another 2 defeats what should the club do then?
This is not inconceivable.
I suppose what I’m trying to establish from the Hodgson fans is whether they believe there’s a point at which it would be better for club and manager to part company.
I know some would like him to continue indefinitely despite his one year deal.

 

MonsterMunch Flag Cambridge 21 Jul 20 9.54am

Originally posted by PatrickA

If we finish the season with 8 consecutive defeats and then start the new season under Hodgson with say another 2 defeats what should the club do then?
This is not inconceivable.
I suppose what I’m trying to establish from the Hodgson fans is whether they believe there’s a point at which it would be better for club and manager to part company.
I know some would like him to continue indefinitely despite his one year deal.

I think what will happen, and we are likely all feeling the same way whether we are Roy in or Roy out is, is that he will be given minimal money to spend on new players and will start the next campaign. And take it from there. I'm a Roy outer, but cant honestly say I see him going, even after the loss to spurs.

 

cpj Flag Kent 21 Jul 20 10.09am

Surely people cannot still defend Hodgson? He says we need to get through these last games and then start next season with a clean slate. But next season is only 7-8 weeks away - does anyone really believe Hodgson is suddenly going to get in some younger players (and use them?) and get us suddenly scoring again?

 

adelaar Flag Edgware 21 Jul 20 10.19am

Originally posted by Willo

When they arrived at Huddersfield, the club were second from bottom and when they left they were 18th out of 24.

It would appear that the club and the Cowleys were not on the same wavelength in terms of the way forward and Huddersfield have approached one of Bielsa's assistants as a replacement.

As Willo says, they did a job in difficult circumstances. They would find us in the same boat, just a division higher. Who else is there if we got rid of Roy?


Edited by adelaar (21 Jul 2020 10.20am)

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Jul 20 10.20am

Originally posted by cpj

Surely people cannot still defend Hodgson? He says we need to get through these last games and then start next season with a clean slate. But next season is only 7-8 weeks away - does anyone really believe Hodgson is suddenly going to get in some younger players (and use them?) and get us suddenly scoring again?

As I have mentioned, it would appear that the 'Hodgson OUT' camp is growing by the day but I have also been in conversation with those who recognise what he has achieved in keeping us in the PL for 3 seasons with a very limited spend and an aged squad.

 

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 21 Jul 20 10.25am

Originally posted by cpj

Surely people cannot still defend Hodgson? He says we need to get through these last games and then start next season with a clean slate. But next season is only 7-8 weeks away - does anyone really believe Hodgson is suddenly going to get in some younger players (and use them?) and get us suddenly scoring again?

It's not Hodgson that gets the players in though is it ?

 


Old, Ungifted and White

cpj Flag Kent 21 Jul 20 10.32am

Originally posted by NEILLO

It's not Hodgson that gets the players in though is it ?

Of course it is - he had been publicly wanting McCarthy since he got here and presumably Kouyate was his choice - both have been poor at best.

 

fromtherope Flag In the woods of deepest Surrey 21 Jul 20 10.39am

Let's face facts and the harsh reality of the situation we are in. Old, tired squad. Little sign of the youth coming through and if there is then Roy does his best to ignore them. What we do have cannot be ready for the rigours of prem football.

Yes Roy has to go but who do we get to replace him? Plenty of names being bounded about but who would want to come to a club with an aging squad, no real money to spend, over paid over blown players on crazy wages, a club likely to go into decline with dropping crowds and lower season ticket sales (partly covid but mainly crap football).

Been going since 1967 and seem some real rubbish teams and seasons but like a mug I'll be back for more when Boris and his Merry men set us free.

Roll on next season! Up The Palace!!!

 


I am enjoying being back at Selhurst and having a beer with my mates just like we have done for the past 40 years. Through Thick and thin we stick with our club. Not chairman, players or managers, OUR CLUB!

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 21 Jul 20 10.43am

Originally posted by cpj

Of course it is - he had been publicly wanting McCarthy since he got here and presumably Kouyate was his choice - both have been poor at best.

So which is it then ??

McCarthy and Ayew were both what I would call ' proper ' Roy signings in as much as he wanted the individuals not just recruiting for a particular position.

Otherwise it's up to Freedman to research the market and get the deals done.

I'm not overly impressed with McCarthy but at least Ayew has had a very good season. But of course you won't give Hodgson any credit for that will you ?

 


Old, Ungifted and White

EddieMac Flag 21 Jul 20 10.50am

Originally posted by PatrickA

If we finish the season with 8 consecutive defeats and then start the new season under Hodgson with say another 2 defeats what should the club do then?
This is not inconceivable.
I suppose what I’m trying to establish from the Hodgson fans is whether they believe there’s a point at which it would be better for club and manager to part company.
I know some would like him to continue indefinitely despite his one year deal.

If we had a decent team with no injuries and we lost 10 games on the trot then I would be screaming fro him to be gone but the facts are very different, We have a desperate squad to start with and lots of injuries and no manager would get that team playing well.

It's the same all year people calling for team changes when there are no changes to be made. The team picks itself week in and out. The only reason we are still in this division is Hodgson.

 

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 21 Jul 20 10.59am

I don't see Roy going yet.
My crystal ball (which is very murky) thinks the following may happen:
1. Roy will go at the end of next season when a lot of player contracts also come to an end. That is when I think there will be a new broom, because many of those contracts won't be renewed.
2. We will probably be in the Championship the following season but with a much smaller wage bill and a very different squad.
3. That new squad will probably struggle to survive in that league.
4. At some point the Americans will sell out for far less than they paid.
5. August 2022 may see us in League 1 and the start of a new project of hope, based around our Cat 1 academy. Won't need a season ticket then because you'll be able to sit where you want.
6. SP's model of the new stand will be kept in mothballs until we once again rise from the ashes and hit the EPL (Or whatever will exist then).
Unfortunately, I and many of you will probably be long dead by then.

 

taylors lovechild Flag 21 Jul 20 11.05am

Unless we were able to poach an experienced PL manager then we will struggle with the squad we have if Roy left (and even then we probably would). For all his detractors Roy knows how to get points and win ugly and while he clearly has flaws (such as his seeming inability to change things during the game) I believe he would see us comfortably mid-table again next season. Our ageing, depleted and small squad is not designed for playing two games a week on a regular basis and it has cost us since the lockdown. I don't understand why he still refuses to start Meyer or why Riedewald isn't getting more game time, but when you think these are the only fully-fit senior options available that are not defenders you can see what a task Roy has.

I was listening to Peter Crouch saying how Pulis did zero work with the attacking players and just left them to it while focusing solely on the defensive side of the game. Sometimes it does feel like that is the case with us, but without a play maker we struggle when the 'stick it down the left channel' doesn't work. Maybe as well as some new players we could do with a new coach to work alongside Roy and Ray who could bring some new ideas to the attacking side of our game with the view to possibly succeeding Roy?

I don't think there are many people desperate to keep Roy, I just think there are many, like me, who recognise that he has been given very little support and has somehow made us comfortable with very limited resources. The one thing that gives me hope is how well he had us playing at times when we had RLC. If we could get another high-quality player or two like that again I think we might see a different Palace.

 

Jacey Flag 21 Jul 20 11.07am

We don't know what more we can do???
Time for a long deserved retirement Roy and bring in a new manager who ' does know what to do'!!

[Link]

 

Mwncisee Flag Middlesbrough 21 Jul 20 11.33am

Originally posted by Jacey

We don't know what more we can do???
Time for a long deserved retirement Roy and bring in a new manager who ' does know what to do'!!

[Link]

I agree seeing this is very frustrating. But what is telling with many of you who are screaming Roy out is you fail to provide any serious suggestions as to what then. Who do you seriously think we can attract and will do a better job with what we have? It's easy to shout it needs to change (I don't think many would disagree) but not so easy to come up with solutions.

Edited by Mwncisee (21 Jul 2020 11.34am)

 

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