Roy IN. Stop scapegoating him!
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 EverybodyDannsNow  SE19 20 Jul 20 1.45pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
I totally understand Hodgson's thinking on this matter. I never for a moment considered the possibility that he would introduce youngsters into the fray in these circumstances. What circumstances would those be? Relatively meaningless fixtures when the majority of the first team are woefully out of form? Isn’t that quite literally the ideal time to blood a couple of youngsters?
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Ian-VI  Vicenza 20 Jul 20 1.51pm |
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Originally posted by HesHereHesThere
Really Roy? FFS what message does this send to the youth! Totally agree with him, in particular because of the low quality of the youth players involved (Sam Woods failed even at Hamilton...). Edited by Ian-VI (20 Jul 2020 1.57pm)
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| SwordFish Peasmarsh,East Sussex 20 Jul 20 1.54pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Hopefully he's digging a grave for himself. We'll lose the next too matches with dour performances. It's no wonder the squad look demotivated. He's pretty much told them that they are just on the books to make up the numbers and have no future. Not even an oportunity to prove they could have a future. Players know if they are on the bench that they won't come on. they'll simply bit sat there to watch more senior players lose. Even when there's nothing to play for, and sub slots left to use, the manager won't give them a chance to prove to him he may have got the selection at tactics wrong. Or if the manager graciously gives them 8 minutes whilst the team are 4-0 down, then they will need to give him a bottle of wine. Senior players, don't really mind about not being selected if there is nothing to play for. A good manager would be able to explain a senior play why they aren't being selected. Whilst youth and findge players should be eager to come on and prove a point. We could have used these last few games as friendlies for a new manager to work out the players, formations, set peices, and match plans for next season. Instead, we are just going follow the Field Marshal Hauge tactic of repeating what isn't working with an insain idea that results might change. Sack this idiot. He should never have had a career in football. All I can do is laugh at this comment , there is nothing else to do. Imagine another clubs fans reading comments like that? It’s embarrassing , some of our fans have lost the plot
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| Ian-VI Vicenza 20 Jul 20 1.54pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Hopefully he's digging a grave for himself. We'll lose the next too matches with dour performances. It's no wonder the squad look demotivated. He's pretty much told them that they are just on the books to make up the numbers and have no future. Not even an oportunity to prove they could have a future. Players know if they are on the bench that they won't come on. they'll simply bit sat there to watch more senior players lose. Even when there's nothing to play for, and sub slots left to use, the manager won't give them a chance to prove to him he may have got the selection at tactics wrong. Or if the manager graciously gives them 8 minutes whilst the team are 4-0 down, then they will need to give him a bottle of wine. Senior players, don't really mind about not being selected if there is nothing to play for. A good manager would be able to explain a senior play why they aren't being selected. Whilst youth and findge players should be eager to come on and prove a point. We could have used these last few games as friendlies for a new manager to work out the players, formations, set peices, and match plans for next season. Instead, we are just going follow the Field Marshal Hauge tactic of repeating what isn't working with an insain idea that results might change. Sack this idiot. He should never have had a career in football. You didn't need to write this whole thing to prove us you haven't got the wildest idea of how a club (even at amateur level) is run, what it involves, the man management etc.
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| SwordFish Peasmarsh,East Sussex 20 Jul 20 1.55pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
What circumstances would those be? Relatively meaningless fixtures when the majority of the first team are woefully out of form? Isn’t that quite literally the ideal time to blood a couple of youngsters? Maybe , just maybe , these youngsters arnt good enough and our manager who watches them day after day may know a bit more about them than you do? Unless you go to all youth games and have experience of coaching?
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| Putitout Oxford 20 Jul 20 2.04pm |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
Exactly. You have to assume that these people are speaking from the experience of having watched our youth teams regularly and are experts in knowing when a young player is ready for the step up. Otherwise it could just be another thing to blame Hodgson for...surely not Seen them a number of of times , Nothing to get to excited about most struggle to impress overly at under 23 .Rarely against future premier talent. Pierrick, Mitchell, deserve a look ,and that’s what they get . Most of the kids are struggling to make a future , exposing them to to much pressure to early in their development can be totally counter productive . Some will develop but throwing them in because nothing else seems to work. Is wishful thinking at best.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Jul 20 2.09pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
What circumstances would those be? Relatively meaningless fixtures when the majority of the first team are woefully out of form? Isn’t that quite literally the ideal time to blood a couple of youngsters? When the team has lost 6 games in succession and further defeats could mean ending the season on the back of 8 losses, I would respectfully suggest that the remaining fixtures are not meaningless, especially as league placements affect the money from the PL. In terms of "Youngsters", they have to be of sufficient standing, besides, games against teams towards the top of the table when one's team has been struggling, are not ideal games to 'blood' younger players.Placing them in the spotlight in these circumstances can be counter productive. Edited by Willo (20 Jul 2020 2.11pm)
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| HesHereHesThere Beckenham 20 Jul 20 2.17pm |
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Originally posted by Putitout
Seen them a number of of times , Nothing to get to excited about most struggle to impress overly at under 23 .Rarely against future premier talent. Pierrick, Mitchell, deserve a look ,and that’s what they get . Most of the kids are struggling to make a future , exposing them to to much pressure to early in their development can be totally counter productive . Some will develop but throwing them in because nothing else seems to work. Is wishful thinking at best. Too much pressure...really? We're talking abut two games no-one really gives a monkey's about behind closed doors and people are worried about these poor little poppets...they're U23's for christ sake they're men not 15-16 year olds....the world's gone mad, we'll have Harry Kane taking corners next!
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| Putitout Oxford 20 Jul 20 2.48pm |
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Originally posted by HesHereHesThere
Too much pressure...really? We're talking abut two games no-one really gives a monkey's about behind closed doors and people are worried about these poor little poppets...they're U23's for christ sake they're men not 15-16 year olds....the world's gone mad, we'll have Harry Kane taking corners next! Well try this then. They ain’t good enough yet. Maybe some could man up a bit. Makes no difference mate. The coaching staff know them day in day out . If their inclusion was going to help them or the team they would be in. It’s not done to annoy you.
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| EddieMac 20 Jul 20 2.51pm |
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Originally posted by Ian-VI
Totally agree with him, in particular because of the low quality of the youth players involved (Sam Woods failed even at Hamilton...). Edited by Ian-VI (20 Jul 2020 1.57pm) And that is it in one sentence. All our expert fans seem to think that we have a bench full of Messi's. These young lads (bar maybe Mitchell) will not be making it in the top division. There is one reason why they are on the bench BECAUSE we have NO more players to sit on the bench. Play Meyer Play another bloody tune because None of them are good enough and if they were they would play. We even start games with less subs than we are allowed, that says it all about our youth team. Edited by EddieMac (20 Jul 2020 2.53pm)
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 20 Jul 20 2.55pm |
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Originally posted by SwordFish
Maybe , just maybe , these youngsters arnt good enough and our manager who watches them day after day may know a bit more about them than you do? Unless you go to all youth games and have experience of coaching? Still using that lovely patronising tone, I see - nice chap. Maybe they aren’t good enough.. know the easiest way to find out? Play them. If they bomb the next couple of games and never appear in the first team again.. what have we lost? Mitchell looked fine in the cameo the other day, been linked with a move to Spurs after they were impressed with him at youth level. Similarly Pierrick has looked fine in cameos. Why are they on the bench if they’re so far from being good enough? They didn’t know, and presumably didn’t think, AWB was good enough, and that turned out alright didn’t it.
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| EddieMac 20 Jul 20 2.59pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Still using that lovely patronising tone, I see - nice chap. Maybe they aren’t good enough.. know the easiest way to find out? Play them. If they bomb the next couple of games and never appear in the first team again.. what have we lost? Mitchell looked fine in the cameo the other day, been linked with a move to Spurs after they were impressed with him at youth level. Similarly Pierrick has looked fine in cameos. Why are they on the bench if they’re so far from being good enough? They didn’t know, and presumably didn’t think, AWB was good enough, and that turned out alright didn’t it. because we have no more players to sit on the bench.
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