That's going to happen to them regardless Hrolf.

At least with Matov's contention those 'foreigners' will be Europeans...who won't be blaming them for their own historical problems.

I don't like any of it personally....we only seem to have different 'sh1t sandwiches' offered to us....and are then expected to be pleased with the choice.

Feck globalism.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Aug 2022 12.52pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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If we didn’t agree we could not have become a member. We agreed be caus e on balance we thought the benefits outweighed the deficits. I still do.

The role of the MEPs is to form alliances with others, scrutinise proposed legislation and negotiate with the Commission and Council. They debate issues so that the public can be aware of them. MEPs have the power to approve, amend or reject nearly all EU legislation. They hold the European Commission to account and can forceit to resign. The European Parliament also decides on the EU budget and influences how EU money is spent.

It’s not the MEPs who implement policies and manifestos in the UK. It’s their colleagues in our own Parliament who do that. That UKIP and similar parties failed to get representation at home ought to tell you something. They wasted their time in Brussels being obstreperous instead of being serious. Really stupid bunch.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I like the idea of autonomy...it's part of why I voted for Brexit....I just don't think that it translates into reality.

There is no accountability because there are no real differences. The same policies are implemented regardless.

I'm not saying I like either answer but I know which scenarios are worse for our children.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Firstly, I am an idealist. Ultimately, I struggle with the notion that people are not.

But I am also a realist. The concept of the traditional nation-state, in light of modern technology, is dead. The notion of 'nationalism' in terms of waving flags is simply redundant now. There needs to be a vision.

And mine is a United Europe. And yes, possibly run by a few people. But with a common ethos.

We cannot bury our heads in the sand. Globalism is a reality. And we have to adapt to that and define our best option for how we want that to play out. I voted to leave the EU because it is crap. End of. But the ultimate expression of it is not.

For the West to survive as a vibrant civilisation it needs to collectively identify and work together. And I believe a sense of Pan-Europeanism, on a variety of levels of which demographics will be perhaps the defining one, is our only chance. Otherwise, we break up into squabbling tribes who achieve nothing.

Is this perhaps 'pie-in-the-sky' thinking? Then probably. But f*** it, you have to have a hill to die on. And for me, this is it.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Don't accuse others of ignorance when you only need to look in the mirror to see same. You are quite happy to throw insults around that have no basis in fact, DIPAG

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Clearly the tories must go.

Labour must step up and make us international again.

The image I have of Johnson is of him isolated looking for anyone to say hello, while the EU countries and the USA President greeted each other like old school friends.

So much for 'getting brexit done' he has done a runner like Cameron did, only away from everything else as well.