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 steeleye20  Croydon 23 Aug 22 5.45pm |
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Tut tut! Jeremy was completely right as events have shown. We would probably not have left the EU at all imo, but at least the public would have had their say on a new brexit deal. Britain is not working away from the EU.
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| Matov 23 Aug 22 5.54pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Tut tut! Jeremy was completely right as events have shown. We would probably not have left the EU at all imo, but at least the public would have had their say on a new brexit deal. Britain is not working away from the EU.
But nobody wanted a second referendum. That was the point. Electoral suicide. You might be able to make all kinds of arguments now about the economic policies being pushed in both the 2017 and the 2019 manifesto's but that second referendum policy was beyond insane. Utterly mental given the constituency breakdown of the 2016 referendum. That is the point. In 2017, Corbyn pulled off a minor electoral miracle. In 2019, he imploded. What was the primary policy difference?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Aug 22 6.30pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
The European commission promulgates laws which become law in member states, that is a fact not an opinion. The governmental powers of the Commission have been such that some, including former Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt, have suggested changing its name to the "European Government", calling the present name of the Commission "ridiculous", likening it to a misnomer. The members of the Commission are not voted for by the electorate of the member states, as the case when the UK was a member. Your post certainly has a demonstration of ignorance, your own.
Only because our Parliament delegated that responsibility. The decision was ours. We delegated to our Parliament, and they moved it on. The Commission decide nothing without the approval of elected representatives. They possess no independent power.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Aug 22 6.34pm |
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Originally posted by martin2412
In 1971 I was too young to vote us in, but by 1981 I was old enough to vote us out, but didn't get the opportunity for another 35 years. What a bloody stupid statement that those too young to vote then, may now vote for a different outcome. Tough. Facts aren’t stupid. I don’t want another vote as I want our MPs to do what we pay them to do. But if we must the demographics mean that you must expect a different result. One person’s vote either way isn’t going to make any difference.
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| georgenorman 23 Aug 22 6.37pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Only because our Parliament delegated that responsibility. The decision was ours. We delegated to our Parliament, and they moved it on. The Commission decide nothing without the approval of elected representatives. They possess no independent power. You are talking nonsense - not for the first time.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Aug 22 6.40pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
But nobody wanted a second referendum. That was the point. Electoral suicide. You might be able to make all kinds of arguments now about the economic policies being pushed in both the 2017 and the 2019 manifesto's but that second referendum policy was beyond insane. Utterly mental given the constituency breakdown of the 2016 referendum. That is the point. In 2017, Corbyn pulled off a minor electoral miracle. In 2019, he imploded. What was the primary policy difference? . Lots of people wanted a second vote! Not me. I wanted our MPs to do their job and vote with their consciences. Collectively they knew Brexit was a mistake and that the “deal” was unwise. “Getting Brexit done” was great marketing (credit where it’s due) as people were just tired of the arguments, but we ought not run a country via slogans. Look where it has got us!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Aug 22 6.48pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
You are talking nonsense - not for the first time. Proposing and framing are delegated tasks. Nothing gets enacted without the approval of both the Council and Parliament, who can dismiss the Commission.
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| georgenorman 23 Aug 22 6.56pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Proposing and framing are delegated tasks. Nothing gets enacted without the approval of both the Council and Parliament, who can dismiss the Commission. Who delegates, certainly not the elected MEPs? Edited by georgenorman (23 Aug 2022 6.58pm)
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cryrst  The garden of England 23 Aug 22 7.42pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
. Lots of people wanted a second vote! Not me. I wanted our MPs to do their job and vote with their consciences. Collectively they knew Brexit was a mistake and that the “deal” was unwise. “Getting Brexit done” was great marketing (credit where it’s due) as people were just tired of the arguments, but we ought not run a country via slogans. Look where it has got us! For the many not the few. Well it appears the few were feckless and workshy or immigrants. Slogans rule as it showed.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Aug 22 8.49pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Who delegates, certainly not the elected MEPs? Edited by georgenorman (23 Aug 2022 6.58pm) That doesn’t mean it has the responsibility to enact them does it? It’s expected to do the leg work and it also overseas the implementation into National laws. That’s inevitable in the kind of organisation that has so many members. The decision making rests with the democratically elected representatives. Making sure that the proposed legislation gets approved depends on the Commissions prior work It’s far from perfect, but not is ours or any other. It’s whether, on balance, it serves. I guess we disagree on that!
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 Aug 22 9.15pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's political posturing, which can change rapidly if it is seen to be necessary. Did a majority want us out? A tiny majority who voted did, but that's not everyone, especially those too young to vote then, but could now. In any case, things change. Experiences teach lessons. People accept they made wrong decisions, which we all do. The beauty of democracy is nothing is ever cast in stone forever. Make a mistake and you can correct it. In time, we will. Perhaps not now, but we will. No mistake has been made. In fact, none of the doom and gloom that you claimed would result from Brexit has occurred. We have just had a pandemic and a war in Europe which has caused economic turbulence, but Brexit has only been a positive. It is only feeble minded, defeatist, anti British half wits who still want to return us to a one way road to federalism and reduced control over our own destiny.
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 23 Aug 22 9.16pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Maybe if the man had shown some balls back in November 2018 and sacked Starmer, as he should have, when he went against agreed Cabinet policy over a second referendum, then the world would be very different. But he did not. When push came to the shove, no matter what you might think about Corybn, he failed to actually stand up for what he believed in when it truly mattered. Sitting on the back-benches and spouting off is easy. But when it came to do so when he was in a position of authority, he caved in. The man had no spine. He would have been an appalling Prime Minister. Yeah, probably Matov, just not as bad as the bungle and his cabinet!
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