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Originally posted by Jimenez
I actually didn't get my ballot papers until Monday 20th after being told by email they'd sent it out on the 8th I didn't get mine at all and telephoned the local council to be told that they were sent out at the end of April even though I don't think that the elections were confirmed until May I still voted though and I'm pleased to say that I was one of the stupid morons that don't know what they are doing and voted for the Brexit Party
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Originally posted by Badger11
A lot of noise #deniedthevote. I expect there will be an investigation but in my experience most people who complain are actually at fault. If you are an EU citizen in the UK and want to vote here not only do you have to register for the vote but you also have to tell your local council that you will not vote in your home country. How many have not bothered to register or not registered correctly? Every year people would tell me "but I registered last year why am I not on the electoral roll" BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO REGISTER EVERY YEAR ITS NOT A ONE TIME THING. Or I am registered but just moved home recently "well then go to the polling station of your old home." Or my favourite involves university students who are supposed to be bright? I registered at my university but the election is in the holidays so I thought I would vote in my home borough "Sorry no" Or vice versa. If there is a systemic problem it's down to the local council rather than the government. Some councils are more efficient than others. My gut feel is that when the dust settles individual councils may have screwed up but despite the noise the number of complaints will probably be no worse than at other elections. Yep, agree, if there has been some conspiracy to deny legitimate people votes then that's worthy of concern and redress. Though like you say I suspect this is more a factor of council and citizen unreadiness. My views on the legitimacy of allowing EU citizens a vote on UK representation in the EU is another thing entirely.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yep, agree, if there has been some conspiracy to deny legitimate people votes then that's worthy of concern and redress. Though like you say I suspect this is more a factor of council and citizen unreadiness. My views on the legitimacy of allowing EU citizens a vote on UK representation in the EU is another thing entirely. Agreed. I also have a problem with ex pats voting in UK elections. They have left this country so should not have the right to decide what happens here.
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Originally posted by Badger11
Agreed. I also have a problem with ex pats voting in UK elections. They have left this country so should not have the right to decide what happens here. Yep, though I would have a timer on it as working aboard or study aboard isn't the same as permanently buggering off....perhaps four years.....with perhaps a six month wait after you return so you can't just nip back for a two week holiday to register and vote.
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Originally posted by Badger11
Agreed. I also have a problem with ex pats voting in UK elections. They have left this country so should not have the right to decide what happens here. I still pay taxes in the UK, why shouldn’t I have a say in how they’re spent?
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Originally posted by palace_in_frogland
I still pay taxes in the UK, why shouldn’t I have a say in how they’re spent? I agree but most ex pats don't. If you turn your back on your country that is your choice you should not get to have a say about what happens unless you are paying taxes wherever you live which is how the USA does it.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yep, though I would have a timer on it as working aboard or study aboard isn't the same as permanently buggering off....perhaps four years.....with perhaps a six month wait after you return so you can't just nip back for a two week holiday to register and vote. Of course which is why I used the term ex pat I don't consider students or soldiers posted abroad as ex pats.
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Announcement expected from No 10 around 10am. I think I need to change my calendar May appears to be ending early this year.
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Originally posted by Badger11
Announcement expected from No 10 around 10am. I think I need to change my calendar May appears to be ending early this year.
We are expecting an imminent announcement that Theresa May will step down as Conservative leader on 10 June. In terms of her successor, what is likely is a fluid situation in terms of the Parliamentary stage of the contest. I am informed that thus far Jeremy Hunt has 27 MP supporters, Boris Johnson has 19, Dominic Raab has 13, Michael Gove has 12, Sajid Javid has 10 and no-one else is on double figures, at least yet. But of course there are many more MPs in the Conservative Party and I can only re-iterate that the situation will remain fluid and the final say goes to the party members like myself. Edited by Willo (24 May 2019 9.17am)
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Originally posted by Willo
We are all expecting an imminent announcement. I am informed that thus far Jeremy Hunt has 27 MP supporters, Boris Johnson has 19, Dominic Raab has 13, Michael Gove has 12, Sajid Javid has 10 and no-one else is on double figures, at least yet. But of course there are many more MPs in the Conservative Party and I can only re-iterate that the situation will remain fluid and the final say goes to the party members like myself. Jeremy Hunt is about as sure an election loser as there can be. But given the Tory MP's record on leadership choices I'm not surprised he's in the lead so far. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2019 9.20am)
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Originally posted by Willo
We are all expecting an imminent announcement. I am informed that thus far Jeremy Hunt has 27 MP supporters, Boris Johnson has 19, Dominic Raab has 13, Michael Gove has 12, Sajid Javid has 10 and no-one else is on double figures, at least yet. But of course there are many more MPs in the Conservative Party and I can only re-iterate that the situation will remain fluid and the final say goes to the party members like myself. I just get a feeling that the party members are not all quite like you. You are unique, perhaps even special.
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Originally posted by Willo
We are expecting an imminent announcement that Theresa May will step down as Conservative leader on 10 June. In terms of her successor, what is likely is a fluid situation in terms of the Parliamentary stage of the contest. I am informed that thus far Jeremy Hunt has 27 MP supporters, Boris Johnson has 19, Dominic Raab has 13, Michael Gove has 12, Sajid Javid has 10 and no-one else is on double figures, at least yet. But of course there are many more MPs in the Conservative Party and I can only re-iterate that the situation will remain fluid and the final say goes to the party members like myself. Edited by Willo (24 May 2019 9.17am) I believe Boris is not liked by the MPs but loved by party members. For him to succeed the MPs will need to hold their noses. Well as the Tories are about to be humiliated in the European elections I suspect that self preservation will overcome any misgivings they have. Boris maybe a buffoon but he has the X factor and knows how to win elections. The rest of the field remind me of one of the seven dwarves "dopey".
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I just get a feeling that the party members are not all quite like you. You are unique, perhaps even special. Very kind of you to describe me in such terms but at the end of the day I am a mere midge in the swarm and no threat to MENSA. Boris Johnson commands a great deal of support amongst party members and even though I have reached the ripe age of 66, many members are somewhat 'North' of this !
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Originally posted by Badger11
Agreed. I also have a problem with ex pats voting in UK elections. They have left this country so should not have the right to decide what happens here. I think it is a bit grey area. I disagree due to below reasons: - I don`t build a direct correlation between paying tax and voting. Voting is not only about how tax is spent but also how the country is ruled from all aspects. - For eg, i am not citizen but paying tax for 5 years and i don`t have a right to vote (normally) Once i become citizen (next year), i don`t position myself to have more right to have a word for UK when compared to 100% British person who migrated to Spain for retirement or work. Yes, the fact is they may be away from real paint point of the country because they don`t live in UK, however i think there are many people living in the country who has not sufficient understanding of what is happening as well
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Originally posted by Badger11
I believe Boris is not liked by the MPs but loved by party members. For him to succeed the MPs will need to hold their noses. Well as the Tories are about to be humiliated in the European elections I suspect that self preservation will overcome any misgivings they have. Boris maybe a buffoon but he has the X factor and knows how to win elections. The rest of the field remind me of one of the seven dwarves "dopey". Boris Johnson commands far more support amongst the members than he does amongst his fellow MPs but as you asserted, the MPs might well look at the broader picture and decide that his box-office appeal would be an asset against Corbyn at a General Election. What is a constant in a Conservative leadership contest since the mid-60s is that the favourite doesn't win.
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Originally posted by Badger11
I believe Boris is not liked by the MPs but loved by party members. For him to succeed the MPs will need to hold their noses. Well as the Tories are about to be humiliated in the European elections I suspect that self preservation will overcome any misgivings they have. Boris maybe a buffoon but he has the X factor and knows how to win elections. The rest of the field remind me of one of the seven dwarves "dopey". Only Boris WILL beat Corbyn in a GE. The others?
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Only Boris WILL beat Corbyn in a GE. The others? Boris Johnson has that X-Factor and far more electoral appeal than the other likely leadership candidates and this could well concentrate the mind of his fellow MPs and influence their decision.
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Mayday Mayday going down hard.....
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Originally posted by Willo
Boris Johnson commands far more support amongst the members than he does amongst his fellow MPs but as you asserted, the MPs might well look at the broader picture and decide that his box-office appeal would be an asset against Corbyn at a General Election. I have always been a big Boris fan and wanted him to lead us out of the EU as I think that if he had been PM we would probably be out by now. However I wonder if his chances may have been spoiled somewhat by his time as Foreign Secretary in which he hardly covered himself in glory
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