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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 May 19 10.09am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I suspect that eventually the EU will break up and I see the UK joining a northern EU with Germany, France and perhaps a few others.....One far less political. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2019 11.31pm) For once I tend to agree with you, although whether it will have to completely break up first or undergo internal reform is an open question. 30 years ago my daughter did her dissertation on the tensions caused by the effects of a "two speed Europe". As I was working at the time for a German company these were also being discussed there. The effects were well understood but the desire to keep everyone under the same umbrella meant they were considered secondary. My own hope is that the reform route is taken and that some kind of overarching pan-European organisation continues to link everyone. I would like the UK to be driving that reform rather than turning it's back on it because we can then help to shape it and not have to accept what others decide. So even if our future EU membership has to be especially tailored to fit us I would rather we stayed inside than outside with a "deal". Maybe we will move towards that in the next 2 years with us revoking Article 50, calling a GE and electing a Parliament with no outright winner which demands compromise to move forward. With the EU negotiating team also changing and disaffection growing in various countries perhaps the opportunity for a fresh approach may arrive sooner than later. I really hope so and that the divisiveness of the past years can be put behind us as we endeavour to build a safe future for those who follow us. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 25 May 19 10.09am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I suspect that eventually the EU will break up and I see the UK joining a northern EU with Germany, France and perhaps a few others.....One far less political.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2019 11.31pm)

For once I tend to agree with you, although whether it will have to completely break up first or undergo internal reform is an open question.

30 years ago my daughter did her dissertation on the tensions caused by the effects of a "two speed Europe". As I was working at the time for a German company these were also being discussed there. The effects were well understood but the desire to keep everyone under the same umbrella meant they were considered secondary.

My own hope is that the reform route is taken and that some kind of overarching pan-European organisation continues to link everyone.

I would like the UK to be driving that reform rather than turning it's back on it because we can then help to shape it and not have to accept what others decide. So even if our future EU membership has to be especially tailored to fit us I would rather we stayed inside than outside with a "deal".

Maybe we will move towards that in the next 2 years with us revoking Article 50, calling a GE and electing a Parliament with no outright winner which demands compromise to move forward.

With the EU negotiating team also changing and disaffection growing in various countries perhaps the opportunity for a fresh approach may arrive sooner than later.

I really hope so and that the divisiveness of the past years can be put behind us as we endeavour to build a safe future for those who follow us.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

punksnotdead croydon 25 May 19 11.37am
Originally posted by ChrisGC Fake news,he threw yoghurt on himself for publicity, the person who owns the shop next to wear this guy stood studied his cctv and said it didn't happen. The shop owner said he voted for the brexit party Disgraceful. The man is a veteran and a patriot. Whoever threw that should be hanged. GOD SAVE THE QUEEN

punksnotdead

croydon 25 May 19 11.37am

Originally posted by ChrisGC
Fake news,he threw yoghurt on himself for publicity, the person who owns the shop next to wear this guy stood studied his cctv and said it didn't happen. The shop owner said he voted for the brexit party

Disgraceful.

The man is a veteran and a patriot. Whoever threw that should be hanged.

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN

punksnotdead croydon 25 May 19 11.42am
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punksnotdead

croydon 25 May 19 11.42am

Here's the twitter link for my post

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 May 19 11.47am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays May's deal was reported to be worse than remaining. That's why no leaver can seriously support it.....and those that did only under the understanding that it would change later. I can't see parliament revoking article fifty unless there was a second referendum that supported staying. None of us know what is going to happen of course.....Johnson is only the favourite and the Tories are known for choosing leaders who aren't in line with their grass roots.....as we have had two remainers in a row.....in fact perhaps Duncan Smith is the last Tory leader who was actually a real EU skeptic. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 May 2019 9.52am) The grass roots never got to vote in the last leadership contest as Andrea Leadsom pulled out leaving Theresa May as leader of the party.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 25 May 19 11.47am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

May's deal was reported to be worse than remaining. That's why no leaver can seriously support it.....and those that did only under the understanding that it would change later.

I can't see parliament revoking article fifty unless there was a second referendum that supported staying.

None of us know what is going to happen of course.....Johnson is only the favourite and the Tories are known for choosing leaders who aren't in line with their grass roots.....as we have had two remainers in a row.....in fact perhaps Duncan Smith is the last Tory leader who was actually a real EU skeptic.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 May 2019 9.52am)

The grass roots never got to vote in the last leadership contest as Andrea Leadsom pulled out leaving Theresa May as leader of the party.

Stirlingsays 25 May 19 11.59am
Originally posted by Willo The grass roots never got to vote in the last leadership contest as Andrea Leadsom pulled out leaving Theresa May as leader of the party. Those MPs who voted for May led us to this. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

25 May 19 11.59am

Originally posted by Willo

The grass roots never got to vote in the last leadership contest as Andrea Leadsom pulled out leaving Theresa May as leader of the party.

Those MPs who voted for May led us to this.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 25 May 19 12.02pm
Originally posted by punksnotdead Here's the twitter link for my post If that's true I take back any commentary I made on it: It needs further investigation. The truth is far more important than any tribal political advantage. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 May 2019 12.02pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

25 May 19 12.02pm

Originally posted by punksnotdead

Here's the twitter link for my post

If that's true I take back any commentary I made on it: It needs further investigation.

The truth is far more important than any tribal political advantage.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 May 2019 12.02pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

punksnotdead croydon 25 May 19 12.09pm
[qExactly, things like this could cayse more serious attacks on both sides so if it is revealed as fake he shoukd be brought to taskuote=Stirlingsays;3443271] If that's true I take back any commentary I made on it: It needs further investigation. The truth is far more important than any tribal political advantage. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 May 2019 12.02pm)

punksnotdead

croydon 25 May 19 12.09pm

[qExactly, things like this could cayse more serious attacks on both sides so if it is revealed as fake he shoukd be brought to taskuote=Stirlingsays;3443271]

If that's true I take back any commentary I made on it: It needs further investigation.

The truth is far more important than any tribal political advantage.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 May 2019 12.02pm)

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 May 19 12.20pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Those MPs who voted for May led us to this. Indeed, and May won comfortably with nearly 100 votes clear of her nearest rival, Andrea Leadsom in the first ballot and 115 votes clear of Leadsom in the second ballot.I wanted Gove to succeed.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 25 May 19 12.20pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Those MPs who voted for May led us to this.

Indeed, and May won comfortably with nearly 100 votes clear of her nearest rival, Andrea Leadsom in the first ballot and 115 votes clear of Leadsom in the second ballot.I wanted Gove to succeed.

Badger11 Beckenham 25 May 19 12.24pm
Originally posted by punksnotdead Here's the twitter link for my post If true then it's a disgrace and he should be investigated it's a pity the shop owner didn't post the video footage. Edited by Badger11 (25 May 2019 12.24pm) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 25 May 19 12.24pm

Originally posted by punksnotdead

Here's the twitter link for my post

If true then it's a disgrace and he should be investigated it's a pity the shop owner didn't post the video footage.

Edited by Badger11 (25 May 2019 12.24pm)

One more point

Rudi Hedman Caterham 25 May 19 12.25pm
Originally posted by Badger11 If true then it's a disgrace and he should be investigated it's a pity the shop owner didn't post the video footage. Edited by Badger11 (25 May 2019 12.24pm) He didn’t but could post it so why not? COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 25 May 19 12.25pm

Originally posted by Badger11

If true then it's a disgrace and he should be investigated it's a pity the shop owner didn't post the video footage.

Edited by Badger11 (25 May 2019 12.24pm)

He didn’t but could post it so why not?

COYP

Badger11 Beckenham 25 May 19 12.44pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman He didn’t but could post it so why not? That's what I'm thinking. Assuming that this person is correct that it was a fake attack the media will lap this up and will be offering the shop owner money for the tape. If we hear no more about this then I don't believe it. Let's see where we are in 3/4 days. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 25 May 19 12.44pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

He didn’t but could post it so why not?

That's what I'm thinking. Assuming that this person is correct that it was a fake attack the media will lap this up and will be offering the shop owner money for the tape. If we hear no more about this then I don't believe it.

Let's see where we are in 3/4 days.

One more point

samprior Hamburg 25 May 19 12.49pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle For once I tend to agree with you, although whether it will have to completely break up first or undergo internal reform is an open question. 30 years ago my daughter did her dissertation on the tensions caused by the effects of a "two speed Europe". As I was working at the time for a German company these were also being discussed there. The effects were well understood but the desire to keep everyone under the same umbrella meant they were considered secondary. My own hope is that the reform route is taken and that some kind of overarching pan-European organisation continues to link everyone. I would like the UK to be driving that reform rather than turning it's back on it because we can then help to shape it and not have to accept what others decide. So even if our future EU membership has to be especially tailored to fit us I would rather we stayed inside than outside with a "deal". Maybe we will move towards that in the next 2 years with us revoking Article 50, calling a GE and electing a Parliament with no outright winner which demands compromise to move forward. With the EU negotiating team also changing and disaffection growing in various countries perhaps the opportunity for a fresh approach may arrive sooner than later. I really hope so and that the divisiveness of the past years can be put behind us as we endeavour to build a safe future for those who follow us. Here here.

samprior

Hamburg 25 May 19 12.49pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

For once I tend to agree with you, although whether it will have to completely break up first or undergo internal reform is an open question.

My own hope is that the reform route is taken and that some kind of overarching pan-European organisation continues to link everyone.

Maybe we will move towards that in the next 2 years with us revoking Article 50, calling a GE and electing a Parliament with no outright winner which demands compromise to move forward.

With the EU negotiating team also changing and disaffection growing in various countries perhaps the opportunity for a fresh approach may arrive sooner than later.

I really hope so and that the divisiveness of the past years can be put behind us as we endeavour to build a safe future for those who follow us.

Here here.

Badger11 Beckenham 25 May 19 1.01pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle For once I tend to agree with you, although whether it will have to completely break up first or undergo internal reform is an open question. 30 years ago my daughter did her dissertation on the tensions caused by the effects of a "two speed Europe". As I was working at the time for a German company these were also being discussed there. The effects were well understood but the desire to keep everyone under the same umbrella meant they were considered secondary. My own hope is that the reform route is taken and that some kind of overarching pan-European organisation continues to link everyone. I would like the UK to be driving that reform rather than turning it's back on it because we can then help to shape it and not have to accept what others decide. So even if our future EU membership has to be especially tailored to fit us I would rather we stayed inside than outside with a "deal". Maybe we will move towards that in the next 2 years with us revoking Article 50, calling a GE and electing a Parliament with no outright winner which demands compromise to move forward. With the EU negotiating team also changing and disaffection growing in various countries perhaps the opportunity for a fresh approach may arrive sooner than later. I really hope so and that the divisiveness of the past years can be put behind us as we endeavour to build a safe future for those who follow us. And that is one of the big problems of the EU. Northern versus South Europe. The EU should have been an inner and outer Europe with countries only being admitted to the inner group as their economies aligned. Countries like Greece, Italy and Spain have suffered in a one size fits all and have also caused problems with the rest of the EU. The EU has been happy to subside the weaker economies but have demanded very little reform in return, so until recently it was party time in Greece fantastic pensions and no one paying or collecting taxes. The intention is fine but as always it's the execution of the ideal that's the problem. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 25 May 19 1.01pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

For once I tend to agree with you, although whether it will have to completely break up first or undergo internal reform is an open question.

30 years ago my daughter did her dissertation on the tensions caused by the effects of a "two speed Europe". As I was working at the time for a German company these were also being discussed there. The effects were well understood but the desire to keep everyone under the same umbrella meant they were considered secondary.

My own hope is that the reform route is taken and that some kind of overarching pan-European organisation continues to link everyone.

Maybe we will move towards that in the next 2 years with us revoking Article 50, calling a GE and electing a Parliament with no outright winner which demands compromise to move forward.

With the EU negotiating team also changing and disaffection growing in various countries perhaps the opportunity for a fresh approach may arrive sooner than later.

I really hope so and that the divisiveness of the past years can be put behind us as we endeavour to build a safe future for those who follow us.

And that is one of the big problems of the EU. Northern versus South Europe. The EU should have been an inner and outer Europe with countries only being admitted to the inner group as their economies aligned. Countries like Greece, Italy and Spain have suffered in a one size fits all and have also caused problems with the rest of the EU.

The EU has been happy to subside the weaker economies but have demanded very little reform in return, so until recently it was party time in Greece fantastic pensions and no one paying or collecting taxes.

The intention is fine but as always it's the execution of the ideal that's the problem.

One more point

becky over the moon 25 May 19 2.55pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle For once I tend to agree with you, although whether it will have to completely break up first or undergo internal reform is an open question. 30 years ago my daughter did her dissertation on the tensions caused by the effects of a "two speed Europe". As I was working at the time for a German company these were also being discussed there. The effects were well understood but the desire to keep everyone under the same umbrella meant they were considered secondary. My own hope is that the reform route is taken and that some kind of overarching pan-European organisation continues to link everyone. I would like the UK to be driving that reform rather than turning it's back on it because we can then help to shape it and not have to accept what others decide. So even if our future EU membership has to be especially tailored to fit us I would rather we stayed inside than outside with a "deal". Maybe we will move towards that in the next 2 years with us revoking Article 50, calling a GE and electing a Parliament with no outright winner which demands compromise to move forward. With the EU negotiating team also changing and disaffection growing in various countries perhaps the opportunity for a fresh approach may arrive sooner than later. I really hope so and that the divisiveness of the past years can be put behind us as we endeavour to build a safe future for those who follow us. In my opinion, it would be far, far better for us to leave now and sit quietly on the sidelines as a spectator whilst the rest of the EU falls to pieces - it will be far cheaper for us too, as we won't be asked to cough up and prop ailing economies whilst it does so. Then we can be part of something new, fresh and workable with like minded countries, possible going back to the old EEC format. To try and stay within the current system and influence any major reform will be virtually impossible, I believe, as the unelected cream of of the swine running the show will never allow their snouts to be removed from the trough they have built for themselves. Turkey DO NOT vote for Christmas. A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

becky

over the moon 25 May 19 2.55pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

For once I tend to agree with you, although whether it will have to completely break up first or undergo internal reform is an open question.

My own hope is that the reform route is taken and that some kind of overarching pan-European organisation continues to link everyone.

Maybe we will move towards that in the next 2 years with us revoking Article 50, calling a GE and electing a Parliament with no outright winner which demands compromise to move forward.

With the EU negotiating team also changing and disaffection growing in various countries perhaps the opportunity for a fresh approach may arrive sooner than later.

I really hope so and that the divisiveness of the past years can be put behind us as we endeavour to build a safe future for those who follow us.

In my opinion, it would be far, far better for us to leave now and sit quietly on the sidelines as a spectator whilst the rest of the EU falls to pieces - it will be far cheaper for us too, as we won't be asked to cough up and prop ailing economies whilst it does so. Then we can be part of something new, fresh and workable with like minded countries, possible going back to the old EEC format.

To try and stay within the current system and influence any major reform will be virtually impossible, I believe, as the unelected cream of of the swine running the show will never allow their snouts to be removed from the trough they have built for themselves.

Turkey DO NOT vote for Christmas.

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Stirlingsays 25 May 19 6.07pm
Originally posted by becky In my opinion, it would be far, far better for us to leave now and sit quietly on the sidelines as a spectator whilst the rest of the EU falls to pieces - it will be far cheaper for us too, as we won't be asked to cough up and prop ailing economies whilst it does so. Then we can be part of something new, fresh and workable with like minded countries, possible going back to the old EEC format. To try and stay within the current system and influence any major reform will be virtually impossible, I believe, as the unelected cream of of the swine running the show will never allow their snouts to be removed from the trough they have built for themselves. Turkey DO NOT vote for Christmas. Indeed. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

25 May 19 6.07pm

Originally posted by becky

Turkey DO NOT vote for Christmas.

Indeed.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

dannyboy1978 25 May 19 9.47pm
What a absolute load of bollocks "But he said the UK must "calmly demonstrate unflinching resolve to leave in October - at the latest". BBC News - Tory leadership: Dominic Raab enters race [Link]

dannyboy1978

25 May 19 9.47pm

What a absolute load of bollocks
"But he said the UK must "calmly demonstrate unflinching resolve to leave in October - at the latest".
BBC News - Tory leadership: Dominic Raab enters race
[Link]

Maine Eagle USA 26 May 19 12.55am
Originally posted by punksnotdead Here's the twitter link for my post His milkshake brought all the boys to the yard. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Maine Eagle

USA 26 May 19 12.55am

Originally posted by punksnotdead

Here's the twitter link for my post

His milkshake brought all the boys to the yard.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Invalid user 2019 26 May 19 1.15am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 What a absolute load of bollocks "But he said the UK must "calmly demonstrate unflinching resolve to leave in October - at the latest". BBC News - Tory leadership: Dominic Raab enters race [Link] Didn't Rabb vote leave though and resign as Brexit secretary when it became clear that May was shopping around a sh!T sandwich? Am I missing something as to why what he said here was bad?

Invalid user 2019

26 May 19 1.15am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

What a absolute load of bollocks
"But he said the UK must "calmly demonstrate unflinching resolve to leave in October - at the latest".
BBC News - Tory leadership: Dominic Raab enters race
[Link]

Didn't Rabb vote leave though and resign as Brexit secretary when it became clear that May was shopping around a sh!T sandwich? Am I missing something as to why what he said here was bad?

dannyboy1978 26 May 19 8.52am
Originally posted by dollardays Didn't Rabb vote leave though and resign as Brexit secretary when it became clear that May was shopping around a sh!T sandwich? Am I missing something as to why what he said here was bad? Because he is going for leader saying the same old tired rubish every politician in Britain has said. "We must show resolve",does he think anyone will honestly take him seriously.

dannyboy1978

26 May 19 8.52am

Originally posted by dollardays

Didn't Rabb vote leave though and resign as Brexit secretary when it became clear that May was shopping around a sh!T sandwich? Am I missing something as to why what he said here was bad?

Because he is going for leader saying the same old tired rubish every politician in Britain has said. "We must show resolve",does he think anyone will honestly take him seriously.

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