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 dannyboy1978  26 May 19 9.12am |
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Another reason to leave the EU I worry for Germany. Edited by dannyboy1978 (26 May 2019 9.14am)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 May 19 9.17am |
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Originally posted by becky
In my opinion, it would be far, far better for us to leave now and sit quietly on the sidelines as a spectator whilst the rest of the EU falls to pieces - it will be far cheaper for us too, as we won't be asked to cough up and prop ailing economies whilst it does so. Then we can be part of something new, fresh and workable with like minded countries, possible going back to the old EEC format. To try and stay within the current system and influence any major reform will be virtually impossible, I believe, as the unelected cream of of the swine running the show will never allow their snouts to be removed from the trough they have built for themselves. Turkey DO NOT vote for Christmas. That is the cynical view of the hardline Brexiteer! The "unlected cream of the swine" are not though actually "running the show" are they? It's the European Council which sets the agenda, which comprises the elected heads of state of all the EU countries. The Commission only proposes and oversees the implementation of new laws whilst the Council of Ministers and the Parliament scrutinise and approve them. Any fundamental change to the EU would therefore be driven and controlled by the European Council and only administered by the Commission. The Turkeys would not have a vote. If their Christmas arrives then they are going to get stuffed. That is not to say that the European Council wouldn't face enormous difficulties in securing unanimity for fundamental change but if the case was overwhelmingly obviously needed then I can envisage a scenario when it could be done.
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 becky over the moon 26 May 19 11.16am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That is the cynical view of the hardline Brexiteer! The "unlected cream of the swine" are not though actually "running the show" are they? It's the European Council which sets the agenda, which comprises the elected heads of state of all the EU countries. The Commission only proposes and oversees the implementation of new laws whilst the Council of Ministers and the Parliament scrutinise and approve them. Any fundamental change to the EU would therefore be driven and controlled by the European Council and only administered by the Commission. The Turkeys would not have a vote. If their Christmas arrives then they are going to get stuffed. That is not to say that the European Council wouldn't face enormous difficulties in securing unanimity for fundamental change but if the case was overwhelmingly obviously needed then I can envisage a scenario when it could be done. The unelected cream of the swine run the show in Europe just as much as the Civil Servants run parliament in this country. The elected ones are dependent upon them for pretty much everything, and given the amounts of money that seem to flow into everyone's pockets unchecked (well at least unable to pass audit), it's hard to pinpoint exactly who ARE the turkeys,but they still won't be voting for Christmas any time soon. Cynical view of a hardline Brexiteer? Yes indeedy - and proud of it!
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| DanH SW2 26 May 19 11.38am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Another reason to leave the EU I worry for Germany. Edited by dannyboy1978 (26 May 2019 9.14am) I’m in Köln at the moment. Germans are lovely people. They were all voting yesterday and had lots of Brexit chats with locals. We are very much seen as a laughing stock over here.
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Park Road  26 May 19 11.53am |
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Originally posted by DanH
I’m in Köln at the moment. Germans are lovely people. They were all voting yesterday and had lots of Brexit chats with locals. We are very much seen as a laughing stock over here. Germans don't have a sense of humour...
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| DANGERCLOSE London 26 May 19 12.26pm |
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 26 May 19 12.28pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
I’m in Köln at the moment. Germans are lovely people. They were all voting yesterday and had lots of Brexit chats with locals. We are very much seen as a laughing stock over here. Unfortunately Theresa May has turned the UK, one of the world's greatest democracies and major economies into an international laughing stock.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 May 19 1.21pm |
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Originally posted by becky
The unelected cream of the swine run the show in Europe just as much as the Civil Servants run parliament in this country. The elected ones are dependent upon them for pretty much everything, and given the amounts of money that seem to flow into everyone's pockets unchecked (well at least unable to pass audit), it's hard to pinpoint exactly who ARE the turkeys,but they still won't be voting for Christmas any time soon. Cynical view of a hardline Brexiteer? Yes indeedy - and proud of it! That's simply untrue. Civil servants might "run the show" in the same way that the stage crew, doormen, the box office, and even the actors (ministers?), run the show in a theatre but they don't write the script or decide what plays will appear in a theatre. That is above their pay grade. Of course the responsible politicians get advise from many places, including senior civil servants about what is possible and how best to achieve it, but the decisions rest with them alone. No turkey gets any kind of vote. This idea that an unelected EU bureaucracy is in control of our lives is a total fallacy spread by the Euro-sceptics to poison the well of public opinion. Seems it has worked in your case.
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| Stirlingsays 26 May 19 1.30pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
I’m in Köln at the moment. Germans are lovely people. They were all voting yesterday and had lots of Brexit chats with locals. We are very much seen as a laughing stock over here.
Also you being a remainer and a liberal democrat voter are hardly a representative of the UK majority....So I suspect the kind of people you spoke to were probably similar to yourself.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 26 May 19 2.53pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's simply untrue. Civil servants might "run the show" in the same way that the stage crew, doormen, the box office, and even the actors (ministers?), run the show in a theatre but they don't write the script or decide what plays will appear in a theatre. That is above their pay grade. Of course the responsible politicians get advise from many places, including senior civil servants about what is possible and how best to achieve it, but the decisions rest with them alone. No turkey gets any kind of vote. This idea that an unelected EU bureaucracy is in control of our lives is a total fallacy spread by the Euro-sceptics to poison the well of public opinion. Seems it has worked in your case. Why don't you simply research what the EU Commission does and then how they are selected. Clearly, you will be surprised.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 May 19 3.32pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Why don't you simply research what the EU Commission does and then how they are selected. Clearly, you will be surprised. I have and there is no surprise because they do exactly what I have said they do. They are selected via the nomination of the leaders of each member country and confirmed by the Parliament but how they are selected makes no difference to their role. The Commission and individual Commissioners hold a lot of responsibility but ultimately the policy decisions are not made by them. They just interpret and implement them. Want confirmation? Read this:- [Link]
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| DANGERCLOSE London 26 May 19 5.03pm |
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| Invalid user 2019 26 May 19 5.30pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Because he is going for leader saying the same old tired rubish every politician in Britain has said. "We must show resolve",does he think anyone will honestly take him seriously. You're right on that count, but that's what they all do unfortunately. Personal ambition is their priority and as such they'll all be promising all sorts to try to win the leadership battle. I don't trust any of them.
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| Spiderman Horsham 26 May 19 5.57pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's simply untrue. Civil servants might "run the show" in the same way that the stage crew, doormen, the box office, and even the actors (ministers?), run the show in a theatre but they don't write the script or decide what plays will appear in a theatre. That is above their pay grade. Of course the responsible politicians get advise from many places, including senior civil servants about what is possible and how best to achieve it, but the decisions rest with them alone. No turkey gets any kind of vote. This idea that an unelected EU bureaucracy is in control of our lives is a total fallacy spread by the Euro-sceptics to poison the well of public opinion. Seems it has worked in your case. Total bo****ks and if you were truthful with yourself you would agree. Believe me MPs make many decisions on the say so of Civil Servants (42 years in the Civil Service has taught me this)
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| Stirlingsays 26 May 19 7.21pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
You're right on that count, but that's what they all do unfortunately. Personal ambition is their priority and as such they'll all be promising all sorts to try to win the leadership battle. I don't trust any of them. Oh for sure. I know it's seems absurd to refer to this all as an entertainment when we refer to the running of a country.....but in truth systems run countries not figureheads so in terms of direction of travel.....it's more a dog and pony show than anything else. A bit like watching a beauty contest where they are all mingers but you have to shag one of them at the end......kind of the probable inverse of when Trump ran Miss World. So it's more....who are you most willing to grin and bear it with. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 May 2019 7.23pm)
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| Maine Eagle USA 26 May 19 7.37pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
In my view the only one who can pretty much ensure a majority is Johnson. I think what we are seeing here is that many Tory MPs care more about personal ambition than a majority. Johnson is loathed by half the party already, and with good reason. Having that bumbling fool as PM would just about finish off the Tories.
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| Stirlingsays 26 May 19 7.46pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Johnson is loathed by half the party already, and with good reason. Having that bumbling fool as PM would just about finish off the Tories.
It's all fun and games! Edited by Stirlingsays (26 May 2019 8.02pm)
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| .TUX. 26 May 19 9.00pm |
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