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 elgrande  bedford 20 Jun 14 2.01pm |
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Just seen a very good piece on an American question time show,not very good at putting links up.
but you could search for Brigitte Gabriel,Fantastic answer to a muslims womans question.
Looking forward to the responses.
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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| elgrande bedford 20 Jun 14 2.02pm |
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Which I think puts a lot of things into perspective.
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Jun 14 3.23pm |
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Quote elgrande at 20 Jun 2014 2.01pm
Just seen a very good piece on an American question time show,not very good at putting links up.
but you could search for Brigitte Gabriel,Fantastic answer to a muslims womans question.
Looking forward to the responses.
I'd like to know where she got the figure of 1/4 of all Muslims are fundamentalists.
Lots of the links for briggitte Gabrielle were for fox news. This speaks volumes.
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| elgrande bedford 20 Jun 14 3.36pm |
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Quote elgrande at 20 Jun 2014 2.01pm
Just seen a very good piece on an American question time show,not very good at putting links up.
but you could search for Brigitte Gabriel,Fantastic answer to a muslims womans question.
Looking forward to the responses.
I'd like to know where she got the figure of 1/4 of all Muslims are fundamentalists.
Lots of the links for briggitte Gabrielle were for fox news. This speaks volumes.
The same way you get you're figures for your posts.
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Jun 14 3.40pm |
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Quote elgrande at 20 Jun 2014 2.01pm
Just seen a very good piece on an American question time show,not very good at putting links up.
but you could search for Brigitte Gabriel,Fantastic answer to a muslims womans question.
Looking forward to the responses.
I'd like to know where she got the figure of 1/4 of all Muslims are fundamentalists.
Lots of the links for briggitte Gabrielle were for fox news. This speaks volumes.
The same way you get you're figures for your posts.
From legitimate sources such as the ons?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Jun 14 3.45pm |
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Gabrielle also stated that non fundamentalist Muslims are irrelevant in winning the 'war on terror'. A mistake I feel. As we are seeing all to often, you get ejeets who profess to hate Islam and all Muslims. This is no way to get them onside is it. In fact I'd argue that the creeping islamophobia is pushing more people away from integrating.
As we saw with the IRA , a solution was reached through dialogue and negotiation. This in my opinion is the way forward, not ostracism.
Edited by nickgusset (20 Jun 2014 3.46pm)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Jun 14 4.02pm |
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Quote elgrande at 20 Jun 2014 2.01pm
Just seen a very good piece on an American question time show,not very good at putting links up.
but you could search for Brigitte Gabriel,Fantastic answer to a muslims womans question.
Looking forward to the responses.
I'd like to know where she got the figure of 1/4 of all Muslims are fundamentalists.
Lots of the links for briggitte Gabrielle were for fox news. This speaks volumes.
Is that like 25% of Germans under 25 supported the Red Army Faction? They didn't they were just angry and identified with a few issues.
Also fundermentalist is not interchangable with terrorist, or even terrorist sympathiser. Just as you can be a christian fundermentalist and not involved in bombing abortion clinics, or an Irish Republican without being in the Provisional IRA.
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| elgrande bedford 20 Jun 14 4.03pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 20 Jun 2014 3.45pm
Gabrielle also stated that non fundamentalist Muslims are irrelevant in winning the 'war on terror'. A mistake I feel. As we are seeing all to often, you get ejeets who profess to hate Islam and all Muslims. This is no way to get them onside is it. In fact I'd argue that the creeping islamophobia is pushing more people away from integrating.
As we saw with the IRA , a solution was reached through dialogue and negotiation. This in my opinion is the way forward, not ostracism.
Edited by nickgusset (20 Jun 2014 3.46pm)
I will try and link the video that I watched.
If you listen to it she explains how the moderate of other faiths/race/people have had no impact if the extremists of any race/faith/people wish to take hold.
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Jun 14 4.19pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 20 Jun 2014 3.45pm
Gabrielle also stated that non fundamentalist Muslims are irrelevant in winning the 'war on terror'. A mistake I feel. As we are seeing all to often, you get ejeets who profess to hate Islam and all Muslims. This is no way to get them onside is it. In fact I'd argue that the creeping islamophobia is pushing more people away from integrating.
As we saw with the IRA , a solution was reached through dialogue and negotiation. This in my opinion is the way forward, not ostracism.
Edited by nickgusset (20 Jun 2014 3.46pm)
I will try and link the video that I watched.
If you listen to it she explains how the moderate of other faiths/race/people have had no impact if the extremists of any race/faith/people wish to take hold.
Fair enough. However do you think that ostracising / railing against ALL Muslims has a positive or negative effect?
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| elgrande bedford 20 Jun 14 5.05pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 20 Jun 2014 3.45pm
Gabrielle also stated that non fundamentalist Muslims are irrelevant in winning the 'war on terror'. A mistake I feel. As we are seeing all to often, you get ejeets who profess to hate Islam and all Muslims. This is no way to get them onside is it. In fact I'd argue that the creeping islamophobia is pushing more people away from integrating.
As we saw with the IRA , a solution was reached through dialogue and negotiation. This in my opinion is the way forward, not ostracism.
Edited by nickgusset (20 Jun 2014 3.46pm)
I will try and link the video that I watched.
If you listen to it she explains how the moderate of other faiths/race/people have had no impact if the extremists of any race/faith/people wish to take hold.
Fair enough. However do you think that ostracising / railing against ALL Muslims has a positive or negative effect?
No I don't......watch the video and listen to the woman about the points of the Nazis/china/russia/Japan/all of these not the less overcame the greater.
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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| elgrande bedford 20 Jun 14 5.10pm |
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I hope this works.
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Jun 14 5.16pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 20 Jun 2014 3.45pm
Gabrielle also stated that non fundamentalist Muslims are irrelevant in winning the 'war on terror'. A mistake I feel. As we are seeing all to often, you get ejeets who profess to hate Islam and all Muslims. This is no way to get them onside is it. In fact I'd argue that the creeping islamophobia is pushing more people away from integrating.
As we saw with the IRA , a solution was reached through dialogue and negotiation. This in my opinion is the way forward, not ostracism.
Edited by nickgusset (20 Jun 2014 3.46pm)
I will try and link the video that I watched.
If you listen to it she explains how the moderate of other faiths/race/people have had no impact if the extremists of any race/faith/people wish to take hold.
Fair enough. However do you think that ostracising / railing against ALL Muslims has a positive or negative effect?
No I don't......watch the video and listen to the woman about the points of the Nazis/china/russia/Japan/all of these not the less overcame the greater.
So you don't think it has a positive or negative effect! What effect does it have on Muslims when they are faced with a drip drip of islamophobia?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Jun 14 5.17pm |
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Quote elgrande at 20 Jun 2014 5.10pm
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I hope this works.
Thanks. That's the clip I saw earlier.
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| elgrande bedford 20 Jun 14 5.21pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 20 Jun 2014 3.45pm
Gabrielle also stated that non fundamentalist Muslims are irrelevant in winning the 'war on terror'. A mistake I feel. As we are seeing all to often, you get ejeets who profess to hate Islam and all Muslims. This is no way to get them onside is it. In fact I'd argue that the creeping islamophobia is pushing more people away from integrating.
As we saw with the IRA , a solution was reached through dialogue and negotiation. This in my opinion is the way forward, not ostracism.
Edited by nickgusset (20 Jun 2014 3.46pm)
I will try and link the video that I watched.
If you listen to it she explains how the moderate of other faiths/race/people have had no impact if the extremists of any race/faith/people wish to take hold.
Fair enough. However do you think that ostracising / railing against ALL Muslims has a positive or negative effect?
No I don't......watch the video and listen to the woman about the points of the Nazis/china/russia/Japan/all of these not the less overcame the greater.
So you don't think it has a positive or negative effect! What effect does it have on Muslims when they are faced with a drip drip of islamophobia? [/quote]
But as the lady said on the clip.Why were there not more Muslims there to put their case across.
It needs more "Moderate" Muslims to come forward and condem the others.
Maybe if that happens it will give people more confidence in their thoughts about Islam.
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Jun 14 5.43pm |
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Gabrielle also stated that non fundamentalist Muslims are irrelevant in winning the 'war on terror'. A mistake I feel. As we are seeing all to often, you get ejeets who profess to hate Islam and all Muslims. This is no way to get them onside is it. In fact I'd argue that the creeping islamophobia is pushing more people away from integrating.
As we saw with the IRA , a solution was reached through dialogue and negotiation. This in my opinion is the way forward, not ostracism.
Edited by nickgusset (20 Jun 2014 3.46pm)
I will try and link the video that I watched.
If you listen to it she explains how the moderate of other faiths/race/people have had no impact if the extremists of any race/faith/people wish to take hold.
Fair enough. However do you think that ostracising / railing against ALL Muslims has a positive or negative effect?
No I don't......watch the video and listen to the woman about the points of the Nazis/china/russia/Japan/all of these not the less overcame the greater.
So you don't think it has a positive or negative effect! What effect does it have on Muslims when they are faced with a drip drip of islamophobia? [/quote]
But as the lady said on the clip.Why were there not more Muslims there to put their case across.
It needs more "Moderate" Muslims to come forward and condem the others.
Maybe if that happens it will give people more confidence in their thoughts about Islam.
If they were given the platform, I'd wager that they would. Call me cynical, but I feel they are not given the platform in the daily mail etc Al as it would contradict Lord Roth mare's fear mongering agenda.
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| elgrande bedford 20 Jun 14 6.06pm |
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Gabrielle also stated that non fundamentalist Muslims are irrelevant in winning the 'war on terror'. A mistake I feel. As we are seeing all to often, you get ejeets who profess to hate Islam and all Muslims. This is no way to get them onside is it. In fact I'd argue that the creeping islamophobia is pushing more people away from integrating.
As we saw with the IRA , a solution was reached through dialogue and negotiation. This in my opinion is the way forward, not ostracism.
Edited by nickgusset (20 Jun 2014 3.46pm)
I will try and link the video that I watched.
If you listen to it she explains how the moderate of other faiths/race/people have had no impact if the extremists of any race/faith/people wish to take hold.
Fair enough. However do you think that ostracising / railing against ALL Muslims has a positive or negative effect?
No I don't......watch the video and listen to the woman about the points of the Nazis/china/russia/Japan/all of these not the less overcame the greater.
So you don't think it has a positive or negative effect! What effect does it have on Muslims when they are faced with a drip drip of islamophobia? [/quote]
But as the lady said on the clip.Why were there not more Muslims there to put their case across.
It needs more "Moderate" Muslims to come forward and condem the others.
Maybe if that happens it will give people more confidence in their thoughts about Islam.
If they were given the platform, I'd wager that they would. Call me cynical, but I feel they are not given the platform in the daily mail etc Al as it would contradict Lord Roth mare's fear mongering agenda.
You are very cynical,"thems not as blind as he will not see".
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Jun 14 6.34pm |
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Gabrielle also stated that non fundamentalist Muslims are irrelevant in winning the 'war on terror'. A mistake I feel. As we are seeing all to often, you get ejeets who profess to hate Islam and all Muslims. This is no way to get them onside is it. In fact I'd argue that the creeping islamophobia is pushing more people away from integrating.
As we saw with the IRA , a solution was reached through dialogue and negotiation. This in my opinion is the way forward, not ostracism.
Edited by nickgusset (20 Jun 2014 3.46pm)
I will try and link the video that I watched.
If you listen to it she explains how the moderate of other faiths/race/people have had no impact if the extremists of any race/faith/people wish to take hold.
Fair enough. However do you think that ostracising / railing against ALL Muslims has a positive or negative effect?
No I don't......watch the video and listen to the woman about the points of the Nazis/china/russia/Japan/all of these not the less overcame the greater.
So you don't think it has a positive or negative effect! What effect does it have on Muslims when they are faced with a drip drip of islamophobia? [/quote]
But as the lady said on the clip.Why were there not more Muslims there to put their case across.
It needs more "Moderate" Muslims to come forward and condem the others.
Maybe if that happens it will give people more confidence in their thoughts about Islam.
If they were given the platform, I'd wager that they would. Call me cynical, but I feel they are not given the platform in the daily mail etc Al as it would contradict Lord Roth mare's fear mongering agenda.
You are very cynical,"thems not as blind as he will not see".
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| elgrande bedford 20 Jun 14 6.38pm |
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Gabrielle also stated that non fundamentalist Muslims are irrelevant in winning the 'war on terror'. A mistake I feel. As we are seeing all to often, you get ejeets who profess to hate Islam and all Muslims. This is no way to get them onside is it. In fact I'd argue that the creeping islamophobia is pushing more people away from integrating.
As we saw with the IRA , a solution was reached through dialogue and negotiation. This in my opinion is the way forward, not ostracism.
Edited by nickgusset (20 Jun 2014 3.46pm)
I will try and link the video that I watched.
If you listen to it she explains how the moderate of other faiths/race/people have had no impact if the extremists of any race/faith/people wish to take hold.
Fair enough. However do you think that ostracising / railing against ALL Muslims has a positive or negative effect?
No I don't......watch the video and listen to the woman about the points of the Nazis/china/russia/Japan/all of these not the less overcame the greater.
So you don't think it has a positive or negative effect! What effect does it have on Muslims when they are faced with a drip drip of islamophobia? [/quote]
But as the lady said on the clip.Why were there not more Muslims there to put their case across.
It needs more "Moderate" Muslims to come forward and condem the others.
Maybe if that happens it will give people more confidence in their thoughts about Islam.
If they were given the platform, I'd wager that they would. Call me cynical, but I feel they are not given the platform in the daily mail etc Al as it would contradict Lord Roth mare's fear mongering agenda.
You are very cynical,"thems not as blind as he will not see".
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There's loads more.
Watch the news Nick.......400 "British Jihadists" in Syria and Iraq, thats just the ones they know about.
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Jun 14 6.56pm |
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Gabrielle also stated that non fundamentalist Muslims are irrelevant in winning the 'war on terror'. A mistake I feel. As we are seeing all to often, you get ejeets who profess to hate Islam and all Muslims. This is no way to get them onside is it. In fact I'd argue that the creeping islamophobia is pushing more people away from integrating.
As we saw with the IRA , a solution was reached through dialogue and negotiation. This in my opinion is the way forward, not ostracism.
Edited by nickgusset (20 Jun 2014 3.46pm)
I will try and link the video that I watched.
If you listen to it she explains how the moderate of other faiths/race/people have had no impact if the extremists of any race/faith/people wish to take hold.
Fair enough. However do you think that ostracising / railing against ALL Muslims has a positive or negative effect?
No I don't......watch the video and listen to the woman about the points of the Nazis/china/russia/Japan/all of these not the less overcame the greater.
So you don't think it has a positive or negative effect! What effect does it have on Muslims when they are faced with a drip drip of islamophobia? [/quote]
But as the lady said on the clip.Why were there not more Muslims there to put their case across.
It needs more "Moderate" Muslims to come forward and condem the others.
Maybe if that happens it will give people more confidence in their thoughts about Islam.
If they were given the platform, I'd wager that they would. Call me cynical, but I feel they are not given the platform in the daily mail etc Al as it would contradict Lord Roth mare's fear mongering agenda.
You are very cynical,"thems not as blind as he will not see".
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There's loads more.
Watch the news Nick.......400 "British Jihadists" in Syria and Iraq, thats just the ones they know about.
Haven't said there are not have I? If they know about them, arrest them on their return!
We are talking about the reporting of muslims condemning terrorism. You have said that enough don't. I've argued that they do -hence my links, but it's not reported widely in the mainstream media that they do because it doesn't suit the fearmongering 'Islam is bad' agenda from the tabloids. I think I chanced upon only 1 link to the daily mail where muslims condemn terrorism. Why is that?
I will continue this discussion later-I have a holradio podcast to record...
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| elgrande bedford 20 Jun 14 7.05pm |
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Gabrielle also stated that non fundamentalist Muslims are irrelevant in winning the 'war on terror'. A mistake I feel. As we are seeing all to often, you get ejeets who profess to hate Islam and all Muslims. This is no way to get them onside is it. In fact I'd argue that the creeping islamophobia is pushing more people away from integrating.
As we saw with the IRA , a solution was reached through dialogue and negotiation. This in my opinion is the way forward, not ostracism.
Edited by nickgusset (20 Jun 2014 3.46pm)
I will try and link the video that I watched.
If you listen to it she explains how the moderate of other faiths/race/people have had no impact if the extremists of any race/faith/people wish to take hold.
Fair enough. However do you think that ostracising / railing against ALL Muslims has a positive or negative effect?
No I don't......watch the video and listen to the woman about the points of the Nazis/china/russia/Japan/all of these not the less overcame the greater.
So you don't think it has a positive or negative effect! What effect does it have on Muslims when they are faced with a drip drip of islamophobia? [/quote]
But as the lady said on the clip.Why were there not more Muslims there to put their case across.
It needs more "Moderate" Muslims to come forward and condem the others.
Maybe if that happens it will give people more confidence in their thoughts about Islam.
If they were given the platform, I'd wager that they would. Call me cynical, but I feel they are not given the platform in the daily mail etc Al as it would contradict Lord Roth mare's fear mongering agenda.
You are very cynical,"thems not as blind as he will not see".
[Link]
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There's loads more.
Watch the news Nick.......400 "British Jihadists" in Syria and Iraq, thats just the ones they know about.
Haven't said there are not have I? If they know about them, arrest them on their return!
We are talking about the reporting of muslims condemning terrorism. You have said that enough don't. I've argued that they do -hence my links, but it's not reported widely in the mainstream media that they do because it doesn't suit the fearmongering 'Islam is bad' agenda from the tabloids. I think I chanced upon only 1 link to the daily mail where muslims condemn terrorism. Why is that?
I will continue this discussion later-I have a holradio podcast to record...
proberly the same reason your hand wringing lib/left press do not shout enough about the exremists.
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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