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--Are you broken or ignorant or trying to wind me up?

The latter isn't working.--

As a neutral in this ding-dong i'd say that's a clear falsehood.

 

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The muslims I have met, and working in london schools I meet quite a few, are all intolerant of muslim extremism and ashamed of what happens in the name of Allah and the prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him.
These are yer ordinary run of the mill muslims (therefore mainstream in my book) that vastly outnumber the fanatics and extremists.

Sure, there are a lot of reformist Muslims in the UK.....But again, you're not recognising that mainstream Islamic belief does also carry a lot of support for apostasy and Sharia law as well. Enough to call it mainstream.

Did you see many Islamic people complaining about the schools in Birmingham? I'm sure there are some but their are pretty quiet to me.

Like I say Nick, read Irshad Manji.....She is a Muslim and she tells it like it is......Maybe you should listen.

There's a lot more than meets the eye to the Trojan horse affair - enough to warrant its own thread. All sides are in some respect culpable.

I shall check out the Irshad Manji, thanks for the heads up.

I think you should worry a little less about muslims and more about what this current lot in power are doing to our way of life.


Because, of course, David Cameron has walked into a tube train and let off a bomb.

Your apologist dogma makes me sick.


apologist dogma! Total bs.


No, please, don't hide behind your 'everyone who agrees with the status quo is a 'cund' dogma.

Please explain to me how David Cameron makes people blow up tube trains. Please explain how David Cameron makes middle class Asian kids go to Syria and kill people not aligned to their viewpoint. Please explain to me how supporting an outdated set of ideals which makes women walk four paces behind their husband and not be allowed to have an education is somehow better than what women in Britain are allowed to have.

Please explain this and how David Cameron is responsible for all of it.


He isn't is he? You think Cameron is responsible for all of it?
Good to see you have reached d in the dictionary though.


Pathetic Gusset.


I thought it was funny. Almost as funny as you saying that I've said Cameron is responsible for terrorism. Where have I said that? You are either on a wind up or just not very clever. It's not the first time you've attributed things to me that I haven't said is it?
Show everyone where I have said Cameron is responsible for terrorism.

Edited by nickgusset (17 Jun 2014 9.22am)


Now who is twisting words.

You said that the government is more dangerous to our way of life than Muslim Extremism, followed by a typical apologist statement that you know many Muslims, all of whom abhor extremist violence.

I think both statements are bollocks and are just part of your agenda as a contrarian.

I think that ignoring the rise of Muslim extremism is very dangerous and apologists like yourself hold double standards. You profess to hate discrimination yet apologise for extremists who want to see women marginalised and gays stoned.

Hope that clears it up for you Gusset.


1. Answer the question. You said I said Cameron is responsible for all of it. Where did I say that?
2. You imply that I am lying about knowing many Muslims who abhor extremism. Is this in the same way you accused me of lying about my father's stroke a while back?
3.Where have I apologised for extremists? I may have spoken for Muslims who abhor extremism but have never defended extremist Muslims. If I have, please show us.
4. I do think that successive governments have been detrimental to the way of life for a lot of people with their neoliberal agenda. I am not alone. Come and speak to other like minded people on Saturday at 1pm.Portland Place.


Edited by nickgusset (17 Jun 2014 11.48am)

Here we go.

The problem is Gusset, it is very difficult to believe someone who trots out the classic racists excuse 'some of my friends are [enter ethnicity to suit argument]'. I am not saying you are a racist before you twist that, I am saying your argument is cliched.

I have answered about the Cameron comment and you either don't wish to understand what I said or understand it.

You are apologising for extremists. You state that the government is more dangerous than extremists to our way of life. That is total bollocks.

Gusset, you are a middle class contrarian rebelling against the state because you want too. Your argument on this subject, like so many others, do not stand up to scrutiny. However, sticking your head in the sand is your business and your choice.

Forgive my ignorance, but can you repost your response about Cameron, I can't seem to find it.

Are you broken or ignorant or trying to wind me up?

The latter isn't working. Re read it. I have never said you said that about Cameron. I was using language and a scenario to point out that your position of 'the government being more dangerous than extremists' was typical Gusset anal discharge.

Let me rephrase my position. I think that government policy driven by the smokescreen of austerity is more detrimental to the lives of British citizens than the threat of Muslim extremism. However, I have not said that there is no threat from Muslim extremists. But the government are using Muslim extremism to push through legislation such as secret court hearings (which only last week was deemed illegal by the justice system)
How is saying I know many Muslims who abhor extremism an apologist stance. It is merely stating fact.

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I don't know how some of you lot would have coped in the 70's with IRA bombs going off in London every other month for years.

Muslim extremism is a hundred times the danger to other muslims in their own country than it is to us lot in Blighty.

pakistan, Nigeria, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan - pity those poor tens of millions of souls wanting a peaceful family life not conflict and stop wetting yer pants about something that is not going to happen to you.

Top 10 terrorists groups worldwide in 2012.

6 were Islamic fundamentalist types

4 were not (FARC,PKK, Indian Maoist, FLNC)


Edited by Kermit8 (17 Jun 2014 11.56am)

It might be more dangerous to other Muslims (I don't doubt that in the least). But should we be worried by how violent it is? Even some of the more moderate groups make the IRA look like the Teletubbies.

6 were Islamic fundamentalist groups. Doesn't this rather support some people's point?

The other four were left wing (FLNC certainly has all the trappings of a left wing agenda).

Just saying...


Welcome back Nick.

Ha - I hadn't noticed the left leanings of the other four.

Just be glad I didn't post the link which includes gun attacks in the US as terrorist crimes. Off the scale


 


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I was thinking of people who were not around London in the mid 70's due to not even being born yet who shudder at the mere mention of the word 'muslim' today.

How would they have coped knowing there really were IRA cells walking the same streets armed and dangerous for many years and carrying out attacks all over The Smoke when they can't even buy a mango today without eyeballing Mr Abdul Ali the grocery shop owner with suspicion?

Edited by Kermit8 (17 Jun 2014 12.37pm)

People hate murderers pretty much independent of where they come from or what they believe......The IRA were considered scum....Many don't think much better of them now.

Wasn't that 7/7 bomber a teaching assisant who everyone thought well of?

Sure the actual number of Muslims who carry out attacks is tiny....Even when we include the number of foiled attacks.....Still, the number of Muslims who support anti western ideas isn't......That's a significant number.

The left bury their heads into the sand....They end up giving us the Birmingham schools nonsense because they so obsessed with not upsetting minorities.

Why shouldn't people be suspicous? To trust someone you need to share things in common.

I treat as I find but trust is something earned, not given out easily.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2014 3.39pm)

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Jun 14 3.44pm

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I was thinking of people who were not around London in the mid 70's due to not even being born yet who shudder at the mere mention of the word 'muslim' today.

How would they have coped knowing there really were IRA cells walking the same streets armed and dangerous for many years and carrying out attacks all over The Smoke when they can't even buy a mango today without eyeballing Mr Abdul Ali the grocery shop owner with suspicion?

Edited by Kermit8 (17 Jun 2014 12.37pm)

People hate murderers pretty much independent of where they come from or what they believe......The IRA were considered scum....Many don't think much better of them now.

Wasn't that 7/7 bomber a teaching assisant who everyone thought well of?

Sure the actual number of Muslims who carry out attacks is tiny....Even when we include the number of foiled attacks.....Still, the number of Muslims who support anti western ideas isn't......That's a significant number.

The left bury their heads into the sand....They end up giving us the Birmingham schools nonsense because they so obsessed with not upsetting minorities.

Why shouldn't people be suspicous? To trust someone you need to share things in common.

I treat as I find but trust is something earned, not given out easily.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2014 3.39pm)


Can you back this up Stirling?

 

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Quote Kermit8 at 17 Jun 2014 11.48am

I don't know how some of you lot would have coped in the 70's with IRA bombs going off in London every other month for years.

Muslim extremism is a hundred times the danger to other muslims in their own country than it is to us lot in Blighty.

pakistan, Nigeria, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan - pity those poor tens of millions of souls wanting a peaceful family life not conflict and stop wetting yer pants about something that is not going to happen to you.

Top 10 terrorists groups worldwide in 2012.

6 were Islamic fundamentalist types

4 were not (FARC,PKK, Indian Maoist, FLNC)


Edited by Kermit8 (17 Jun 2014 11.56am)


I like your "top ten" format, it reminds me of the golden years of Top of The Pops, and ,..errr., Jimmy Savile, and Dave 'I wish I'd chosen a better nick-name' "Kid" Jensen.

I am amazed that the CIA (Guantanamo Bay), and the Israeli government haven't broken into the 2012 Top Ten terror groups.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (17 Jun 2014 3.47pm)

 


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aceedi Flag 17 Jun 14 3.55pm

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I was thinking of people who were not around London in the mid 70's due to not even being born yet who shudder at the mere mention of the word 'muslim' today.

How would they have coped knowing there really were IRA cells walking the same streets armed and dangerous for many years and carrying out attacks all over The Smoke when they can't even buy a mango today without eyeballing Mr Abdul Ali the grocery shop owner with suspicion?

Edited by Kermit8 (17 Jun 2014 12.37pm)

People hate murderers pretty much independent of where they come from or what they believe......The IRA were considered scum....Many don't think much better of them now.

Wasn't that 7/7 bomber a teaching assisant who everyone thought well of?

Sure the actual number of Muslims who carry out attacks is tiny....Even when we include the number of foiled attacks.....Still, the number of Muslims who support anti western ideas isn't......That's a significant number.

The left bury their heads into the sand....They end up giving us the Birmingham schools nonsense because they so obsessed with not upsetting minorities.

Why shouldn't people be suspicous? To trust someone you need to share things in common.

I treat as I find but trust is something earned, not given out easily.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2014 3.39pm)


Can you back this up Stirling?

Just take a look at the Muslim Council of [Great] Britain website for instance.

 

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Gusset - you are twisting again.

I believe that you are an extremist apologist because of the way you lightly brush off the threat by saying 'austerity is worse'. Nothing to do with whether you know or don't know Muslims.

I never saw a Tory politician behead anyone, unlike Lee Rigbys killers.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 17 Jun 14 4.18pm

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Gusset - you are twisting again.

I believe that you are an extremist apologist because of the way you lightly brush off the threat by saying 'austerity is worse'. Nothing to do with whether you know or don't know Muslims.

I never saw a Tory politician behead anyone, unlike Lee Rigbys killers.


No, but their policies have resulted in deaths and suicides. Google ATOS for example.

 

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Gusset - you are twisting again.

I believe that you are an extremist apologist because of the way you lightly brush off the threat by saying 'austerity is worse'. Nothing to do with whether you know or don't know Muslims.

I never saw a Tory politician behead anyone, unlike Lee Rigbys killers.


No, but their policies have resulted in deaths and suicides. Google ATOS for example.


No they haven't.

The difference between direct action and unknown consequence, even if true (which it's not, it's the worst hyperbole ever), is also enormous.

 


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Gusset - you are twisting again.

I believe that you are an extremist apologist because of the way you lightly brush off the threat by saying 'austerity is worse'. Nothing to do with whether you know or don't know Muslims.

I never saw a Tory politician behead anyone, unlike Lee Rigbys killers.


No, but their policies have resulted in deaths and suicides. Google ATOS for example.

How many deaths and suicides do you blame the government for and what criteria do you apply in blaming them?

 

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Gusset - you are twisting again.

I believe that you are an extremist apologist because of the way you lightly brush off the threat by saying 'austerity is worse'. Nothing to do with whether you know or don't know Muslims.

I never saw a Tory politician behead anyone, unlike Lee Rigbys killers.


No, but their policies have resulted in deaths and suicides. Google ATOS for example.

Is that the sound of someone scrapping the bottom of the barrel .....yup it certainly is.


 


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