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 Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 03 Sep 19 9.23pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
There were many reasons we were the 'sick man' - for example productivity is not just about manpower but also investment in machinery etc. That is not my argument. What I said was we had to do something quickly to improve our economy, joining the EEC was seen as a highly positive step in that direction. The logic still applies, it's our most important market and was always intended to be so when we agreed to join the EEC. Mainly no f*** it FULLY down to a Labour government & the corrupt union barons who held the country to ransom.
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jeeagles  03 Sep 19 9.35pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Perhaps so. That still doesn't mean it did anything to worsen matters during the past three years. Britain is the best EU country at managing change, we should be doing just that not blowing up our markets. The debate about loosing access to the single market has already been had and Britons have said they’d rather try and have an alternative. Remainders must stop regurgitating old arguments that were doing the rounds before the referendum. If we do have a second vote, and promote the same arguments, it will get the same result (also if the vote is reversed leavers will be up in arms and we’d be no better off). I disagree about the EU not making anything worse. If a member state wants to leave, then clearly something is very wrong with the organization. EU leaders an MEPs have just buried their heads in the sand and tried to blame the situation on racists, liars, and power hungry politicians. Most people in the UK, don’t know what the EU voting system is, who their MEP is, how the EU works, or what they do. The EU has major problems which it needs to address as soon as possible.
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Mapletree  Croydon 03 Sep 19 9.39pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
The debate about loosing access to the single market has already been had and Britons have said they’d rather try and have an alternative. Remainders must stop regurgitating old arguments that were doing the rounds before the referendum. If we do have a second vote, and promote the same arguments, it will get the same result (also if the vote is reversed leavers will be up in arms and we’d be no better off). I disagree about the EU not making anything worse. If a member state wants to leave, then clearly something is very wrong with the organization. EU leaders an MEPs have just buried their heads in the sand and tried to blame the situation on racists, liars, and power hungry politicians. Most people in the UK, don’t know what the EU voting system is, who their MEP is, how the EU works, or what they do. The EU has major problems which it needs to address as soon as possible. We aren't debating 'loosing' access to the EU in this post. We are debating specifically what the EU has done in the past three years to further lose the hearts and minds of British people. So far nobody has explained to me what that is. As clearly this can't be a simple invention, I am waiting for enlightenment from those that made the assertion.
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| Mapletree Croydon 03 Sep 19 9.45pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Mainly no f*** it FULLY down to a Labour government & the corrupt union barons who held the country to ransom. Yes, the move from industry to financial services proved very lucrative for some people, God Bless the Bankers. And membership of the EU bolstered our service industries like never before.
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| Maine Eagle USA 03 Sep 19 9.49pm |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
How is Tinder going ? Things are slowing down. I have a bird on the go, she is a psychology professor, so we can debate Brexit and Trump all night long, Lyons550.
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| Maine Eagle USA 03 Sep 19 10.11pm |
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Originally posted by SavoyTruffle
Out of interest... to the Boris supporters in here. If 15 or so tories rebel against him tonight and vote for this bill. Would you think him weak if he doesn’t follow through with his threat to remove the whip? I am not a Boris fan, but allow me to retort. He would indeed be weak. But then again, weak is as weak does. Haha he just lost, and someone said "not a good start, Boris"!! LMAO.
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| jeeagles 03 Sep 19 10.42pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I wonder how many of you, and the people as a whole, watched the key points of the debate and vote tonight and if so what you made of it? I watched a fair bit and although mostly predictable in the various arguments being put the surrounding mood music didn't go well for Johnson, in my view anyway. He came over as arrogant and blustering, and not the least bit Prime Ministerial. As for Rees Mogg, he shot himself in the foot by lounging on the front bench, a picture that is bound to haunt him. These things ought not to matter but as many people form opinions based on little else then they do. The speed of Johnson’s response showed that this wasn’t what they wanted but they did expect it. Corbyn has fallen straight into the trap Blair warned him about. Labour can’t really afford an election, plus he doesn’t have any good options available to him. A quick check of the odds, the Tories are evens for a majority.
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| Stirlingsays 03 Sep 19 10.49pm |
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This is going to be fun.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| Mapletree Croydon 03 Sep 19 10.53pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
The speed of Johnson’s response showed that this wasn’t what they wanted but they did expect it. Corbyn has fallen straight into the trap Blair warned him about. Labour can’t really afford an election, plus he doesn’t have any good options available to him. A quick check of the odds, the Tories are evens for a majority. Why do you think Johnson will succeed in calling an election?
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| Mapletree Croydon 03 Sep 19 10.56pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
was never an option....the vote was remain or leave! As an aside, what happens if there was a 2nd referendum and the result was a win for leave? Then where do we go? Best of 5?
Edited by the silurian (03 Sep 2019 6.56pm) The vote was predicated on a very very clear statement that it would happen with a deal
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| Mapletree Croydon 03 Sep 19 10.57pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
This is going to be fun. I note you are not responding to me. Do my points bore you?
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| Stirlingsays 03 Sep 19 11.03pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I note you are not responding to me. Do my points bore you? I normally do respond to you didn't I do so at around nine?
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Sep 19 11.12pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
I am not a Boris fan, but allow me to retort. He would indeed be weak. But then again, weak is as weak does. Haha he just lost, and someone said "not a good start, Boris"!! LMAO. He’s started it now.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Sep 19 11.13pm |
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Originally posted by SavoyTruffle
Out of interest... to the Boris supporters in here. If 15 or so tories rebel against him tonight and vote for this bill. Would you think him weak if he doesn’t follow through with his threat to remove the whip? Happening now.
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| Stirlingsays 03 Sep 19 11.20pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Happening now. About time and good riddance to pro EU Tories who chose this hill. Lets get this election called. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Sep 2019 11.21pm)
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| DANGERCLOSE London 03 Sep 19 11.24pm |
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| Mapletree Croydon 03 Sep 19 11.25pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I normally do respond to you didn't I do so at around nine? What has the EU done in the past three years to make the British electorate more upset with it? And by the way the Heath quote is out of context and misunderstood in your linked article. See the article I linked. Relative sovereign power increases even though an element is ceded. There was a huge amount of discussion at the time.
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| Stirlingsays 03 Sep 19 11.37pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
What has the EU done in the past three years to make the British electorate more upset with it? I think Tusk has said some rather rude things if memory serves me correct.....Guy Verhofstadt as well.....Also in the last three years we have had the EU army stuff and anti US rhetoric from Macron and Merkel....no doubt lovely sounding to your ears but most definitely not to mine. Originally posted by Mapletree
And by the way the Heath quote is out of context and misunderstood in your linked article. See the article I linked. Relative sovereign power increases even though an element is ceded. There was a huge amount of discussion at the time. Out of Context!!! I give you a direct quote said directly to the nation, which is a self contained statement that directly contradicts what you said and you come out with 'out of context'! Sure there was a lot of discussion....Labour talking the truth and Heath waffling and avoiding the blunt truth for most of it....I heard your contention and showed you where this is false. The nation was most definitely lied to by the man at the top....He said those direct words in a televised address to the nation. Here's another link for people on sovereignty. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Sep 2019 11.41pm)
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