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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Sep 19 3.34pm
I do wish that many on the Remain side would stop hiding behind bulls*** and just have the balls to admit that they want to stop Brexit at all costs. The establishment and their happy helpers are on the cusp of killing any small hope that people had that democracy was ever anything other than a device to fool the people that they had a say in decision making. We might just as well move to an unelected body immediately. At least that way we might get people who are good at their jobs.

Hrolf The Ganger

24 Sep 19 3.34pm

I do wish that many on the Remain side would stop hiding behind bulls*** and just have the balls to admit that they want to stop Brexit at all costs.

The establishment and their happy helpers are on the cusp of killing any small hope that people had that democracy was ever anything other than a device to fool the people that they had a say in decision making.

We might just as well move to an unelected body immediately. At least that way we might get people who are good at their jobs.

Matov 24 Sep 19 3.35pm
Originally posted by W12 We are a broken country.... Not quite yet but it is becoming more and more likely. This is what I truly struggle to understand about Remainers. It is like they are blind to how much anger is out there. As though they are so mypoic in their outlook that they cannot comprehend the simple reality of how the votes on June 23rd were cast. Of how 52 beats 48 in terms of a percentage. And no matter how much caterwauling or dismissing or mocking they want to pour on that, the result stands and is not going away. It has to be honoured. We have to leave. We should have done so already and if we miss this October 31st deadline then I see no reason why our system of Governance should be given a third chance. Come November 1st, then we might well be a broken country if a GE has not been called. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

24 Sep 19 3.35pm

Originally posted by W12

We are a broken country....

Not quite yet but it is becoming more and more likely. This is what I truly struggle to understand about Remainers. It is like they are blind to how much anger is out there. As though they are so mypoic in their outlook that they cannot comprehend the simple reality of how the votes on June 23rd were cast. Of how 52 beats 48 in terms of a percentage. And no matter how much caterwauling or dismissing or mocking they want to pour on that, the result stands and is not going away. It has to be honoured.

We have to leave. We should have done so already and if we miss this October 31st deadline then I see no reason why our system of Governance should be given a third chance.

Come November 1st, then we might well be a broken country if a GE has not been called.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

steeleye20 Croydon 24 Sep 19 3.37pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I do wish that many on the Remain side would stop hiding behind bulls*** and just have the balls to admit that they want to stop Brexit at all costs. The establishment and their happy helpers are on the cusp of killing any small hope that people had that democracy was ever anything other than a device to fool the people that they had a say in decision making. We might just as well move to an unelected body immediately. At least that way we might get people who are good at their jobs. We already have that. Johnson is not elected and the government is a minority currently -43.

steeleye20

Croydon 24 Sep 19 3.37pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I do wish that many on the Remain side would stop hiding behind bulls*** and just have the balls to admit that they want to stop Brexit at all costs.

We might just as well move to an unelected body immediately. At least that way we might get people who are good at their jobs.

We already have that.

Johnson is not elected and the government is a minority currently -43.

Matov 24 Sep 19 3.37pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I do wish that many on the Remain side would stop hiding behind bulls* and just have the balls to admit that they want to stop Brexit at all costs. A fing men. And why I have a modicum of respect for the Lib Dems. Don't get me wrong I loathe any and every one of the f**ers but at least they are no longer wasting our time by trying to pretend they care about the 17.4 million. They have a simple and clear policy. Revoke A50 and the rest of us can kiss their arses. Kudos for that. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

24 Sep 19 3.37pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I do wish that many on the Remain side would stop hiding behind bulls*** and just have the balls to admit that they want to stop Brexit at all costs.

A f***ing men. And why I have a modicum of respect for the Lib Dems. Don't get me wrong I loathe any and every one of the f***ers but at least they are no longer wasting our time by trying to pretend they care about the 17.4 million.

They have a simple and clear policy. Revoke A50 and the rest of us can kiss their arses. Kudos for that.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov 24 Sep 19 3.38pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 We already have that. Johnson is not elected and the government is a minority currently -43. So lets have a GE to remedy that. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

24 Sep 19 3.38pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

We already have that.

Johnson is not elected and the government is a minority currently -43.

So lets have a GE to remedy that.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 24 Sep 19 3.41pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 We already have that. Johnson is not elected and the government is a minority currently -43. Gordon Brown wasnt elected either, didnt hear you moaning about that!!!

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 24 Sep 19 3.41pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

We already have that.

Johnson is not elected and the government is a minority currently -43.

Gordon Brown wasnt elected either, didnt hear you moaning about that!!!

steeleye20 Croydon 24 Sep 19 4.02pm
Originally posted by the silurian Gordon Brown wasnt elected either, didnt hear you moaning about that!!! I complained loudly about Brown's 'coronation'. Like millions of others I voted Tony Blair in and I expected him to serve as PM. The labour parties demise starts there.

steeleye20

Croydon 24 Sep 19 4.02pm

Originally posted by the silurian

Gordon Brown wasnt elected either, didnt hear you moaning about that!!!

I complained loudly about Brown's 'coronation'.

Like millions of others I voted Tony Blair in and I expected him to serve as PM.

The labour parties demise starts there.

DANGERCLOSE London 24 Sep 19 4.06pm
The remainers have played a good game, they have defeated the government, they have taken control of most of the political parties, the media is fully behind them All they need to do is get the majority of the people behind them, but the people aren't as easily led as the rest

DANGERCLOSE

London 24 Sep 19 4.06pm

The remainers have played a good game, they have defeated the government, they have taken control of most of the political parties, the media is fully behind them

All they need to do is get the majority of the people behind them, but the people aren't as easily led as the rest

Hrolf The Ganger 24 Sep 19 4.08pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 I complained loudly about Brown's 'coronation'. Like millions of others I voted Tony Blair in and I expected him to serve as PM. The labour parties demise starts there. So your poor judgment isn't a recent thing then.

Hrolf The Ganger

24 Sep 19 4.08pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I complained loudly about Brown's 'coronation'.

Like millions of others I voted Tony Blair in and I expected him to serve as PM.

The labour parties demise starts there.

So your poor judgment isn't a recent thing then.

Alex1991 Ashford 24 Sep 19 4.11pm
Originally posted by Matov Not quite yet but it is becoming more and more likely. This is what I truly struggle to understand about Remainers. It is like they are blind to how much anger is out there. As though they are so mypoic in their outlook that they cannot comprehend the simple reality of how the votes on June 23rd were cast. Of how 52 beats 48 in terms of a percentage. And no matter how much caterwauling or dismissing or mocking they want to pour on that, the result stands and is not going away. It has to be honoured. We have to leave. We should have done so already and if we miss this October 31st deadline then I see no reason why our system of Governance should be given a third chance. Come November 1st, then we might well be a broken country if a GE has not been called. Of those 52% who voted, how many voted for a no deal Brexit ? How many now feel conned by the politicians who told them we'd be better off and have the easiest trade deal in history ? This is what I find so frustrating about leavers. Yes, the leave campaign won. However, many of the very promises that won them the vote have turned out to be unachievable. I'd be angry if I was promised rainbows and unicorns and it turns out that isn't going to happen. This irrational anger at the people who are trying to stop a no deal, who frankly have access to more knowledge than any person on this forum, is absolutely ridiculous. "Brighton are talking about how they're coming for us. And it's like, we've been waiting in the Premier League for you for ages." Wilfried Zaha, 2017.

Alex1991

Ashford 24 Sep 19 4.11pm

Originally posted by Matov

We have to leave. We should have done so already and if we miss this October 31st deadline then I see no reason why our system of Governance should be given a third chance.

Come November 1st, then we might well be a broken country if a GE has not been called.

Of those 52% who voted, how many voted for a no deal Brexit ? How many now feel conned by the politicians who told them we'd be better off and have the easiest trade deal in history ?

This is what I find so frustrating about leavers. Yes, the leave campaign won. However, many of the very promises that won them the vote have turned out to be unachievable. I'd be angry if I was promised rainbows and unicorns and it turns out that isn't going to happen. This irrational anger at the people who are trying to stop a no deal, who frankly have access to more knowledge than any person on this forum, is absolutely ridiculous.

"Brighton are talking about how they're coming for us. And it's like, we've been waiting in the Premier League for you for ages." Wilfried Zaha, 2017.

Matov 24 Sep 19 4.14pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 I complained loudly about Brown's 'coronation'. Like millions of others I voted Tony Blair in and I expected him to serve as PM. The labour parties demise starts there. I do think there is a strong case to be made for making it compulsory that if an MP switches parties then it should trigger an immediate by-election or if a PM resigns, a similar process to trigger a new GE should take place. My only qualm about that would be in the case of an assination or similar unexpected event. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

24 Sep 19 4.14pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I complained loudly about Brown's 'coronation'.

Like millions of others I voted Tony Blair in and I expected him to serve as PM.

The labour parties demise starts there.

I do think there is a strong case to be made for making it compulsory that if an MP switches parties then it should trigger an immediate by-election or if a PM resigns, a similar process to trigger a new GE should take place. My only qualm about that would be in the case of an assination or similar unexpected event.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Hrolf The Ganger 24 Sep 19 4.16pm
Originally posted by Alex1991 Of those 52% who voted, how many voted for a no deal Brexit ? How many now feel conned by the politicians who told them we'd be better off and have the easiest trade deal in history ? This is what I find so frustrating about leavers. Yes, the leave campaign won. However, many of the very promises that won them the vote have turned out to be unachievable. I'd be angry if I was promised rainbows and unicorns and it turns out that isn't going to happen. This irrational anger at the people who are trying to stop a no deal, who frankly have access to more knowledge than any person on this forum, is absolutely ridiculous. With respect, you are talking a load of bollocks. Proper Brexit is not happening because it is being blocked by Remainers. There can be no assessment of a post Brexit Britain of any form until it actually happens and time elapses thereafter.

Hrolf The Ganger

24 Sep 19 4.16pm

Originally posted by Alex1991

Of those 52% who voted, how many voted for a no deal Brexit ? How many now feel conned by the politicians who told them we'd be better off and have the easiest trade deal in history ?

With respect, you are talking a load of bollocks.

Proper Brexit is not happening because it is being blocked by Remainers. There can be no assessment of a post Brexit Britain of any form until it actually happens and time elapses thereafter.

Matov 24 Sep 19 4.18pm
Originally posted by Alex1991 Of those 52% who voted, how many voted for a no deal Brexit ? None. The 52% voted Leave. As I have said before there is a case to be made for a second vote on the type of Leave. Say a deal v no deal. I would vent and fume about it and call people all sorts of names but at the end of the day it would have legitimacy of a sort because ultimately there would be one less star on that s*ty flag, as was voted for on June 23rd. But that aint what you want is it? You want the losing option to be given another go up against a deal which is s*tier than staying in. All I ask for is honesty around that. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

24 Sep 19 4.18pm

Originally posted by Alex1991

Of those 52% who voted, how many voted for a no deal Brexit ?

None. The 52% voted Leave. As I have said before there is a case to be made for a second vote on the type of Leave. Say a deal v no deal. I would vent and fume about it and call people all sorts of names but at the end of the day it would have legitimacy of a sort because ultimately there would be one less star on that s***ty flag, as was voted for on June 23rd.

But that aint what you want is it? You want the losing option to be given another go up against a deal which is s***tier than staying in. All I ask for is honesty around that.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Alex1991 Ashford 24 Sep 19 4.22pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger With respect, you are talking a load of bollocks. Proper Brexit is not happening because it is being blocked by Remainers. There can be no assessment of a post Brexit Britain of any form until it actually happens and time elapses thereafter. So you'd like to crash out without a deal and then re assess after the fact ? "Brighton are talking about how they're coming for us. And it's like, we've been waiting in the Premier League for you for ages." Wilfried Zaha, 2017.

Alex1991

Ashford 24 Sep 19 4.22pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

With respect, you are talking a load of bollocks.

Proper Brexit is not happening because it is being blocked by Remainers. There can be no assessment of a post Brexit Britain of any form until it actually happens and time elapses thereafter.

So you'd like to crash out without a deal and then re assess after the fact ?

"Brighton are talking about how they're coming for us. And it's like, we've been waiting in the Premier League for you for ages." Wilfried Zaha, 2017.

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 24 Sep 19 4.23pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger With respect, you are talking a load of bollocks. Proper Brexit is not happening because it is being blocked by Remainers. There can be no assessment of a post Brexit Britain of any form until it actually happens and time elapses thereafter. 'Proper Brexit' was definitely not on the ballot paper. I do wonder how many types of Brexit there are now... Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 24 Sep 19 4.23pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

With respect, you are talking a load of bollocks.

Proper Brexit is not happening because it is being blocked by Remainers. There can be no assessment of a post Brexit Britain of any form until it actually happens and time elapses thereafter.

'Proper Brexit' was definitely not on the ballot paper. I do wonder how many types of Brexit there are now...

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Stirlingsays 24 Sep 19 4.26pm
I want Walkers to come out with a 'real Brexit' favour....'remain' and 'May's deal'. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

24 Sep 19 4.26pm

I want Walkers to come out with a 'real Brexit' favour....'remain' and 'May's deal'.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Matov 24 Sep 19 4.30pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC 'Proper Brexit' was definitely not on the ballot paper. I do wonder how many types of Brexit there are now... Only three that matter. May's deal which was rejected, Boris's deal that we have not seen yet or no deal, which is the default voted on by Parliament when it enacted the A50 legislation. But Leave means Leave, no matter what. Remain is was rejected on June 23rd. It lost. Was discarded. Accept that and I am willing to discuss what variety of leave we should go with. But beyond that? Nah. You just want a second bite of the cherry. It don't work like that. Edited by Matov (24 Sep 2019 4.31pm) "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

24 Sep 19 4.30pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

'Proper Brexit' was definitely not on the ballot paper. I do wonder how many types of Brexit there are now...

Only three that matter. May's deal which was rejected, Boris's deal that we have not seen yet or no deal, which is the default voted on by Parliament when it enacted the A50 legislation.

But Leave means Leave, no matter what. Remain is was rejected on June 23rd. It lost. Was discarded. Accept that and I am willing to discuss what variety of leave we should go with. But beyond that? Nah. You just want a second bite of the cherry. It don't work like that.

Edited by Matov (24 Sep 2019 4.31pm)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Alex1991 Ashford 24 Sep 19 4.31pm
Originally posted by Matov None. The 52% voted Leave. As I have said before there is a case to be made for a second vote on the type of Leave. Say a deal v no deal. I would vent and fume about it and call people all sorts of names but at the end of the day it would have legitimacy of a sort because ultimately there would be one less star on that s*ty flag, as was voted for on June 23rd. But that aint what you want is it? You want the losing option to be given another go up against a deal which is s*tier than staying in. All I ask for is honesty around that. So 52% voted Leave, and within that 52% you have millions of people with a different view on how Brexit would happen. That 52% would have included a lot of people whose decision was close either way. This vote is now being hijacked by hard line Brexiteer's who are trying to tell people that this is what they voted for and blaming the EU for not giving them the trade deal they promised without having the knowledge it could be agreed. "Brighton are talking about how they're coming for us. And it's like, we've been waiting in the Premier League for you for ages." Wilfried Zaha, 2017.

Alex1991

Ashford 24 Sep 19 4.31pm

Originally posted by Matov

But that aint what you want is it? You want the losing option to be given another go up against a deal which is s***tier than staying in. All I ask for is honesty around that.

So 52% voted Leave, and within that 52% you have millions of people with a different view on how Brexit would happen. That 52% would have included a lot of people whose decision was close either way. This vote is now being hijacked by hard line Brexiteer's who are trying to tell people that this is what they voted for and blaming the EU for not giving them the trade deal they promised without having the knowledge it could be agreed.

"Brighton are talking about how they're coming for us. And it's like, we've been waiting in the Premier League for you for ages." Wilfried Zaha, 2017.

Matov 24 Sep 19 4.34pm
Originally posted by Alex1991 So 52% voted Leave, and within that 52% you have millions of people with a different view on how Brexit would happen. That 52% would have included a lot of people whose decision was close either way. This vote is now being hijacked by hard line Brexiteer's who are trying to tell people that this is what they voted for and blaming the EU for not giving them the trade deal they promised without having the knowledge it could be agreed. A deal is not compulsory. That was never on the ballot paper. Leave or Remain was. Remain lost. The only valid debate is over the type of Leave but we should be out now. Extending it anymore only creates more uncertainty and upheaval. Be honest. You want A50 revoked. Be a Lib-Dem and sing that from the rooftops. But please don't insult our intelligence by hiding that. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

24 Sep 19 4.34pm

Originally posted by Alex1991

A deal is not compulsory. That was never on the ballot paper. Leave or Remain was. Remain lost. The only valid debate is over the type of Leave but we should be out now. Extending it anymore only creates more uncertainty and upheaval.

Be honest. You want A50 revoked. Be a Lib-Dem and sing that from the rooftops. But please don't insult our intelligence by hiding that.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Alex1991 Ashford 24 Sep 19 4.35pm
Originally posted by Matov A deal is not compulsory. That was never on the ballot paper. Leave or Remain was. Remain lost. The only valid debate is over the type of Leave but we should be out now. Extending it anymore only creates more uncertainty and upheaval. Be honest. You want A50 revoked. Be a Lib-Dem and sing that from the rooftops. But please don't insult our intelligence by hiding that. Leaving was not compulsory. It was an advisory referendum. "Brighton are talking about how they're coming for us. And it's like, we've been waiting in the Premier League for you for ages." Wilfried Zaha, 2017.

Alex1991

Ashford 24 Sep 19 4.35pm

Originally posted by Matov

Be honest. You want A50 revoked. Be a Lib-Dem and sing that from the rooftops. But please don't insult our intelligence by hiding that.

Leaving was not compulsory. It was an advisory referendum.

"Brighton are talking about how they're coming for us. And it's like, we've been waiting in the Premier League for you for ages." Wilfried Zaha, 2017.

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