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Alex1991 Flag Ashford 24 Sep 19 5.09pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Scaremongering.

TICK

Why would my GP try 'scaremongering' when asked a direct question about my medication ? How do you know how he voted in the referendum ? To even suggest that is absurd.

Project Ignorance at its finest.

Edited by Alex1991 (24 Sep 2019 5.15pm)

 


"Brighton are talking about how they're coming for us. And it's like, we've been waiting in the Premier League for you for ages." Wilfried Zaha, 2017.

Alex1991 Flag Ashford 24 Sep 19 5.11pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

How? We are bound by European rules.

We have always had a sovereign parliament. We have always been able to implement our own laws. EU regulation is a completely different thing.

Edited by Alex1991 (24 Sep 2019 5.13pm)

 


"Brighton are talking about how they're coming for us. And it's like, we've been waiting in the Premier League for you for ages." Wilfried Zaha, 2017.

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Sep 19 5.13pm

Originally posted by Matov

Do you think it is good for our democracy in either of the short, medium or long term to have a Parilament, in which 80% of the votes were casts for parties pledging to honour the 2016 result, and on the back of a huge majority agreeing to commence the A50 process, and which has failed to do so? We should be out of the EU. Parliament stopped that from happening.

Democracy is always good when it operates correctly, as it is now. That it has produced a huge mess is just the price we pay and it's a price worth paying to avoid the alternative. The alternative being of establishing the precedent of the executive getting their own way in the face of Parliament's disapproval, for down that road lies the possibility of things that neither of us would want. That you think we "should be out of the EU" does not mean that we should be. It's just your appraisal of the situation.

Boris Johnson, for all his many and varied faults, wants to go back to the country for a new mandate. Why is that not happening now? What possible justification is there for Parliament not to put itself back to the people and tell it that is has changed its mind?

He is not alone but Parliament has to assess priorities and stopping what they regard as a wrong move comes first, in their opinion, and it's their opinion which is paramount. There will be a GE of that I am quite sure.

I think we can both agree a second referendum with Remain on the ballot paper achieves nothing than even more divison and derison. Therefore a GE is the only way forward.

I don't want a referendum. I want a Parliament presented with a negotiated deal to leave and then given a free, secret, vote on whether it is acceptable. We go on striving to find that until we do.

If you have so much respect for our Parliamentarians then what is there to fear from another election? The current government has lost its majority, there is no evidence that anybody else could form a working Government so why are we not in the midst of an election campaign now?

Why on earth do you think I fear a GE? It just has to be held at the right time and in the right way, decided by Parliament and not by a government manipulating the timing for their own purposes. This is all about the supremacy of Parliament over the executive, despite the attempts by Johnson and others to portray it as Parliament v the people.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 24 Sep 19 5.15pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I expect most Leavers want what they were promised by the Leave campaign.
Control of law and European migrant numbers and with the freedom to trade with whomever they please.

Are you suggesting that a Brexit which is virtually the same or worse than remaining is acceptable?

'I expect'. Also again with the word promise. How you can hate the establishment then buy their drivel hook line and sinker? Makes no sense. Also is that an admission that the leave campaign was run on, how shall we say, exaggerated or spurious claims for the sake of political ambition? If the answer is yes, then again, why are you surprised.

Public polls indicate that no-deal is not something favoured by the majority. The leave vote was split into several different camps over 'why'. So I have to disagree with the opening paragraph.

I'd take one that allows us to implement an Australian style immigration system and allows us to trade with countries outside of the EU. That does not have to be a No deal. This will mean we have worse deals in place with EU countries, which is a byproduct of leaving, but we'll just have to see what happens with that one.

I see no reason why it is impossible to get the above as a negotiated deal, to me it's people calling for no deal who seem to be the most negative and partisan and have given up on the powers of negotiating and waiting until the last minute, simply for the sake of rabid purpose.

It's about faith for these people now, not objectivity. Polarised debate creates religious attitudes and has done on both sides and I for one have no time for it. Just like religion.

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

W12 24 Sep 19 5.16pm

Originally posted by Alex1991

I asked my GP last week if my medication would still be available after the 31st October and he told me he couldn't say either way. There you go, no conflict of interest, admitting that the situation is unknown. I find that quite scary.

Maybe you are just a pussy?

 

Alex1991 Flag Ashford 24 Sep 19 5.20pm

Originally posted by W12

Maybe you are just a pussy?

Stooping to name calling are we ? I've told you what happened with my GP, as you said they were impartial.

Edited by Alex1991 (24 Sep 2019 5.22pm)

 


"Brighton are talking about how they're coming for us. And it's like, we've been waiting in the Premier League for you for ages." Wilfried Zaha, 2017.

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 24 Sep 19 5.21pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Scaremongering.

TICK

Not quite. JRM got both barrels when he tried to suggest the same to a doctor not that long ago. Was forced to retract or face libel. So there is some truth in it. What I would agree with is that no one really knows how big an impact it would be.

It's easy to sit there saying that sort of thing if you're only being prescribed inhibitors for the throbbing vein in your head rather than specialist, life critical medicine.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 24 Sep 19 5.22pm

Originally posted by W12

Maybe you are just a pussy?

Strong debating tactics.

For some consistency this should probably be a warning of sorts, but I'm not going to hold my breath

 


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Midlands Eagle Flag 24 Sep 19 5.23pm

Originally posted by Alex1991

I asked my GP last week if my medication would still be available after the 31st October and he told me he couldn't say either way.

Where is your medication manufactured and why would it not be available after 31st October?

 

Alex1991 Flag Ashford 24 Sep 19 5.25pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Where is your medication manufactured and why would it not be available after 31st October?

These are not questions I asked him. I simply asked if it would still be available after October 31st and he told me he couldn't say. He could have said yes, he could have said no, but he told me he didn't know.

Edited by Alex1991 (24 Sep 2019 5.25pm)

 


"Brighton are talking about how they're coming for us. And it's like, we've been waiting in the Premier League for you for ages." Wilfried Zaha, 2017.

Midlands Eagle Flag 24 Sep 19 5.25pm

Originally posted by Alex1991

How do you know this ? Surely if a trade deal was as important to Europe as you think it is then this deal would have done 3 years ago.

It was agreed at the outset that a trade agreement wouldn't be discussed until a withdrawal agreement had been agreed and that still hasn't been done.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Sep 19 5.28pm

Originally posted by Alex1991

Why would my GP try 'scaremongering' when asked a direct question about my medication ? How do you know how he voted in the referendum ? To even suggest that is absurd.

Project Ignorance at its finest.

Edited by Alex1991 (24 Sep 2019 5.15pm)

Oh OK. I'll just believe everything people say on the internet.

How can your doctor give you a guarantee about anything? No one sensible gives such assurances.

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 24 Sep 19 5.28pm

Originally posted by Alex1991

These are not questions I asked him. I simply asked if it would still be available after October 31st and he told me he couldn't say. He could have said yes, he could have said no, but he told me he didn't know.

There is an implication there that he might just not have tried to find out.

I have a meeting with my pharmacist in an hour's time so I will put the question to her and see what she says

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 24 Sep 19 5.29pm

Originally posted by Matov

WTF? Thomas Cook no longer exist. The referendum result from June 23rd still stands and the legislation is in place for us to leave. The only changed circumstance is MP's unwilling to honour what they promised.

WTF? The referendum result was 3 years ago, not yesterday. The legislation was passed on the understanding that arrangements would be be in place and in an effort to force a deal. It was found but enough objections about it's terms were voiced that it failed to pass Parliament. You don't just give up when that happens. You try to overcome the objections and find ways to reassure people.

The MPs are indeed honouring what they promise. Their primary promise is always to do what they believe is in the country's best interests. They just aren't doing what you think they promised and/or want him to do.

Fine. Let's have a GE based on that narrative. You either want people to have faith in our system or you do not.

When Parliament agrees there will be a GE. Right now the dissolution of Parliament is not available to a PM without their agreement. They will agree when they they believe the time is right and not when the time is right for Johnson.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (24 Sep 2019 5.30pm)

 


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Midlands Eagle Flag 24 Sep 19 5.31pm

Originally posted by Alex1991

So you'd like to crash out without a deal and then re assess after the fact ?

The whole Brexit process has been grossly mismanaged which is why three years later we are in this mess.

We should have taken a harder line three years ago and said we are leaving on such and such a date and will pay whatever monies we are legally obliged to pay and then started discussing the future trading relationship which could well have been sorted by now

 

Alex1991 Flag Ashford 24 Sep 19 5.33pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Oh OK. I'll just believe everything people say on the internet.

How can your doctor give you a guarantee about anything? No one sensible gives such assurances.

If there was an expectation that there would no disruption in the supply of medicine he would have said something to that effect. He said he did not know what was going to happen.

You are quite entitled not to believe me but I have no reason to lie on an anonymous forum.

 


"Brighton are talking about how they're coming for us. And it's like, we've been waiting in the Premier League for you for ages." Wilfried Zaha, 2017.

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Sep 19 5.33pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

'I expect'. Also again with the word promise. How you can hate the establishment then buy their drivel hook line and sinker? Makes no sense. Also is that an admission that the leave campaign was run on, how shall we say, exaggerated or spurious claims for the sake of political ambition? If the answer is yes, then again, why are you surprised.

Public polls indicate that no-deal is not something favoured by the majority. The leave vote was split into several different camps over 'why'. So I have to disagree with the opening paragraph.

I'd take one that allows us to implement an Australian style immigration system and allows us to trade with countries outside of the EU. That does not have to be a No deal. This will mean we have worse deals in place with EU countries, which is a byproduct of leaving, but we'll just have to see what happens with that one.

I see no reason why it is impossible to get the above as a negotiated deal, to me it's people calling for no deal who seem to be the most negative and partisan and have given up on the powers of negotiating and waiting until the last minute, simply for the sake of rabid purpose.

It's about faith for these people now, not objectivity. Polarised debate creates religious attitudes and has done on both sides and I for one have no time for it. Just like religion.

Calling for a no deal and leaving it on the table are not the same thing.
Do not persist with this mealy mouthed two step if you really only seek to Revoke article 50.

 

Alex1991 Flag Ashford 24 Sep 19 5.34pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

There is an implication there that he might just not have tried to find out.

I have a meeting with my pharmacist in an hour's time so I will put the question to her and see what she says

If they were not expecting any disruption to the supply chain he could have said so. Doctor's are not usually vague when it comes to important questions.

 


"Brighton are talking about how they're coming for us. And it's like, we've been waiting in the Premier League for you for ages." Wilfried Zaha, 2017.

Alex1991 Flag Ashford 24 Sep 19 5.35pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

The whole Brexit process has been grossly mismanaged which is why three years later we are in this mess.

We should have taken a harder line three years ago and said we are leaving on such and such a date and will pay whatever monies we are legally obliged to pay and then started discussing the future trading relationship which could well have been sorted by now

We can certainly agree on that.

 


"Brighton are talking about how they're coming for us. And it's like, we've been waiting in the Premier League for you for ages." Wilfried Zaha, 2017.

Stirlingsays Flag 24 Sep 19 5.35pm

Originally posted by Alex1991

These are not questions I asked him. I simply asked if it would still be available after October 31st and he told me he couldn't say. He could have said yes, he could have said no, but he told me he didn't know.

Edited by Alex1991 (24 Sep 2019 5.25pm)

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