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Ketteridge Brighton 21 Jun 17 3.27pm
Originally posted by npn My personal problem is I have NO idea what they are protesting about! A "day of rage" seems more than a little woolly - come out onto the streets and be angry. If I knew what I am supposed to be angry about, I might be more on board While I agree with you that a day of rage is too general to give any real meaning like 'brexit means brexit' or 'taking back control' you could try to Google aims of day of rage or movement for justice to see if you agree with them.... Participatory democracy and all that One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A
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Ketteridge

Brighton 21 Jun 17 3.27pm

Originally posted by npn

My personal problem is I have NO idea what they are protesting about! A "day of rage" seems more than a little woolly - come out onto the streets and be angry. If I knew what I am supposed to be angry about, I might be more on board

While I agree with you that a day of rage is too general to give any real meaning like 'brexit means brexit' or 'taking back control' you could try to Google aims of day of rage or movement for justice to see if you agree with them.... Participatory democracy and all that

One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A

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npn Crowborough 21 Jun 17 3.50pm
Originally posted by Ketteridge While I agree with you that a day of rage is too general to give any real meaning like 'brexit means brexit' or 'taking back control' you could try to Google aims of day of rage or movement for justice to see if you agree with them.... Participatory democracy and all that yes, but that kind of smacks of "looking for a protest to get involved in" rather than being touched by a movement, so I don't suppose I'll bother. Actually, I lied, I just did, and what I got was: Demands include: * Full amnesty and permanent right to remain in the UK for all Grenfell Tower residents who don’t have immigration papers - don't agree - that's conflating two issues (a horrible tragedy and illegal immigration) - being involved in one should have no impact on the other * House Grenfell survivors locally by taking over un-occupied houses, flats & mansions in Kensington and Chelsea - over simplistic. What's "un-occupied"? Owners on holiday, away on business? For how long? * Reverse the privatisation of council housing and build council homes nationwide. - Agree with the need for council house building, agree that selling them off was dumb (and done by governments of all hues), not sure how you'd 'reverse' that (what if someone bought their council house and has sold it on to someone else, do you claim it back from the present owners?). Again, back of a fag packet demand over a pint in the pub, not thought out * Seize and publish records of the companies involved with Grenfell Tower’s regeneration and their dealings with Kensington & Chelsea council - financial records are already public (companies house), if you're talking about private communications then of course they should be seized by the enquiry, but certainly not made public to people who wouldn't understand them or know the context anyway All-in-all, that's even worse than I expected. Are there no grown-ups involved in this movement at all? Sounds remarkably like the demands from the Life of Brian
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npn

Crowborough 21 Jun 17 3.50pm

Originally posted by Ketteridge

yes, but that kind of smacks of "looking for a protest to get involved in" rather than being touched by a movement, so I don't suppose I'll bother.

Actually, I lied, I just did, and what I got was:

Demands include:

* Full amnesty and permanent right to remain in the UK for all Grenfell Tower residents who don’t have immigration papers - don't agree - that's conflating two issues (a horrible tragedy and illegal immigration) - being involved in one should have no impact on the other
* House Grenfell survivors locally by taking over un-occupied houses, flats & mansions in Kensington and Chelsea - over simplistic. What's "un-occupied"? Owners on holiday, away on business? For how long?
* Reverse the privatisation of council housing and build council homes nationwide. - Agree with the need for council house building, agree that selling them off was dumb (and done by governments of all hues), not sure how you'd 'reverse' that (what if someone bought their council house and has sold it on to someone else, do you claim it back from the present owners?). Again, back of a fag packet demand over a pint in the pub, not thought out
* Seize and publish records of the companies involved with Grenfell Tower’s regeneration and their dealings with Kensington & Chelsea council - financial records are already public (companies house), if you're talking about private communications then of course they should be seized by the enquiry, but certainly not made public to people who wouldn't understand them or know the context anyway

All-in-all, that's even worse than I expected. Are there no grown-ups involved in this movement at all? Sounds remarkably like the demands from the Life of Brian

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NKEagle Pyongyang 21 Jun 17 3.59pm
Originally posted by Harry Beever Bang on. Has to be an utter w@nker to come up with that title. Unfortunate it's happening in the middle of a heat wave. If violence kicks off then I hope there are repercussions for the genius who christened the day though I doubt there will be. "Day of Respectful Discourse" wouldn't appeal to their target audience. On the other hand, "Day of Running Around Smashing Things!" is right up their alley.
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NKEagle

Pyongyang 21 Jun 17 3.59pm

Originally posted by Harry Beever

Bang on. Has to be an utter w@nker to come up with that title. Unfortunate it's happening in the middle of a heat wave. If violence kicks off then I hope there are repercussions for the genius who christened the day though I doubt there will be.

"Day of Respectful Discourse" wouldn't appeal to their target audience. On the other hand, "Day of Running Around Smashing Things!" is right up their alley.

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Part Time James 21 Jun 17 4.05pm
Originally posted by NKEagle "Day of Respectful Discourse" wouldn't appeal to their target audience. On the other hand, "Day of Running Around Smashing Things!" is right up their alley. They'd be angry that it was only one day.
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Originally posted by NKEagle

"Day of Respectful Discourse" wouldn't appeal to their target audience. On the other hand, "Day of Running Around Smashing Things!" is right up their alley.

They'd be angry that it was only one day.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Jun 17 4.05pm
Originally posted by npn yes, but that kind of smacks of "looking for a protest to get involved in" rather than being touched by a movement, so I don't suppose I'll bother. Actually, I lied, I just did, and what I got was: Demands include: * Full amnesty and permanent right to remain in the UK for all Grenfell Tower residents who don’t have immigration papers - don't agree - that's conflating two issues (a horrible tragedy and illegal immigration) - being involved in one should have no impact on the other * House Grenfell survivors locally by taking over un-occupied houses, flats & mansions in Kensington and Chelsea - over simplistic. What's "un-occupied"? Owners on holiday, away on business? For how long? * Reverse the privatisation of council housing and build council homes nationwide. - Agree with the need for council house building, agree that selling them off was dumb (and done by governments of all hues), not sure how you'd 'reverse' that (what if someone bought their council house and has sold it on to someone else, do you claim it back from the present owners?). Again, back of a fag packet demand over a pint in the pub, not thought out * Seize and publish records of the companies involved with Grenfell Tower’s regeneration and their dealings with Kensington & Chelsea council - financial records are already public (companies house), if you're talking about private communications then of course they should be seized by the enquiry, but certainly not made public to people who wouldn't understand them or know the context anyway All-in-all, that's even worse than I expected. Are there no grown-ups involved in this movement at all? Sounds remarkably like the demands from the Life of Brian Yeah pretty much. The first one, I'd say a amnesty on the period of which you can claim asylum (i.e. those who had no papers, could apply even if they've overstayed visas etc. But no guarantee of residency). I think the process of replacing council housing can realistically only be by purchase of existing properties from the market, by councils or through building new properties. Hypothetically, I think that affordable rental housing should be a right. Whether its a one bedroom bedsit/flat, two bedroom house for couples with one child and so on. Nothing fancy or opulent, but I strongly believe that citizens shouldn't be spending 50-75% plus of their income on housing. Last one, yeah I understand, but if you do that, it can't be used at trial. Rather than just a public inquiry I want a formal through police investigation in the interim to establish whether any criminal offences need to be brought. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 21 Jun 17 4.05pm

Originally posted by npn

yes, but that kind of smacks of "looking for a protest to get involved in" rather than being touched by a movement, so I don't suppose I'll bother.

Actually, I lied, I just did, and what I got was:

Demands include:

All-in-all, that's even worse than I expected. Are there no grown-ups involved in this movement at all? Sounds remarkably like the demands from the Life of Brian

Yeah pretty much. The first one, I'd say a amnesty on the period of which you can claim asylum (i.e. those who had no papers, could apply even if they've overstayed visas etc. But no guarantee of residency).

I think the process of replacing council housing can realistically only be by purchase of existing properties from the market, by councils or through building new properties. Hypothetically, I think that affordable rental housing should be a right. Whether its a one bedroom bedsit/flat, two bedroom house for couples with one child and so on. Nothing fancy or opulent, but I strongly believe that citizens shouldn't be spending 50-75% plus of their income on housing.

Last one, yeah I understand, but if you do that, it can't be used at trial. Rather than just a public inquiry I want a formal through police investigation in the interim to establish whether any criminal offences need to be brought.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Jun 17 4.07pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I have never had cause to demonstrate. If I ever do, I'll get some tips from you on where to buy the shrimps for my sandwiches. Waitrose.... I usually take a packed lunch, demos can be a lot of sitting around. Always takes sweetes, and drinks. Its actually quite a good way to meet women when you're younger. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 21 Jun 17 4.07pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I have never had cause to demonstrate. If I ever do, I'll get some tips from you on where to buy the shrimps for my sandwiches.

Waitrose....

I usually take a packed lunch, demos can be a lot of sitting around. Always takes sweetes, and drinks. Its actually quite a good way to meet women when you're younger.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hansy 21 Jun 17 4.12pm
Who would of thought that Labour continued to decrease Council Housing Stock, yet blame the Tories for the same thing.
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21 Jun 17 4.12pm

Who would of thought that Labour continued to decrease Council Housing Stock, yet blame the Tories for the same thing.

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NKEagle Pyongyang 21 Jun 17 4.12pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 You missed out the fact you haven't pulled them back up yet. Boring my arse. Hmmmm....That would make a good title for a gay p*** flick. "Boring My Arse" would certainly make a good title. I can just see it now, the cover would have a big burly fellow wearing welder's gloves and a face shield, and he'd be holding a large drill of some sort.
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NKEagle

Pyongyang 21 Jun 17 4.12pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

You missed out the fact you haven't pulled them back up yet. Boring my arse.

Hmmmm....That would make a good title for a gay p*** flick.

"Boring My Arse" would certainly make a good title. I can just see it now, the cover would have a big burly fellow wearing welder's gloves and a face shield, and he'd be holding a large drill of some sort.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 21 Jun 17 4.13pm
Originally posted by npn yes, but that kind of smacks of "looking for a protest to get involved in" rather than being touched by a movement, so I don't suppose I'll bother. Actually, I lied, I just did, and what I got was: Demands include: * Full amnesty and permanent right to remain in the UK for all Grenfell Tower residents who don’t have immigration papers - don't agree - that's conflating two issues (a horrible tragedy and illegal immigration) - being involved in one should have no impact on the other * House Grenfell survivors locally by taking over un-occupied houses, flats & mansions in Kensington and Chelsea - over simplistic. What's "un-occupied"? Owners on holiday, away on business? For how long? * Reverse the privatisation of council housing and build council homes nationwide. - Agree with the need for council house building, agree that selling them off was dumb (and done by governments of all hues), not sure how you'd 'reverse' that (what if someone bought their council house and has sold it on to someone else, do you claim it back from the present owners?). Again, back of a fag packet demand over a pint in the pub, not thought out * Seize and publish records of the companies involved with Grenfell Tower’s regeneration and their dealings with Kensington & Chelsea council - financial records are already public (companies house), if you're talking about private communications then of course they should be seized by the enquiry, but certainly not made public to people who wouldn't understand them or know the context anyway All-in-all, that's even worse than I expected. Are there no grown-ups involved in this movement at all? Sounds remarkably like the demands from the Life of Brian KCBC have a vacant property council tax rate so any properties paying that would be a reasonable starting place for defining empty properties? On "companies involved" perhaps they mean make it public the details of which companies were given contracts on the property and specify what these contracts related to...
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Sydenham 21 Jun 17 4.13pm

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Originally posted by npn

yes, but that kind of smacks of "looking for a protest to get involved in" rather than being touched by a movement, so I don't suppose I'll bother.

Actually, I lied, I just did, and what I got was:

Demands include:

All-in-all, that's even worse than I expected. Are there no grown-ups involved in this movement at all? Sounds remarkably like the demands from the Life of Brian

KCBC have a vacant property council tax rate so any properties paying that would be a reasonable starting place for defining empty properties?

On "companies involved" perhaps they mean make it public the details of which companies were given contracts on the property and specify what these contracts related to...

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 21 Jun 17 4.14pm
Originally posted by Hansy Who would of thought that Labour continued to decrease Council Housing Stock, yet blame the Tories for the same thing. New Labour. This is not the same beast.
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CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 21 Jun 17 4.14pm

Originally posted by Hansy

Who would of thought that Labour continued to decrease Council Housing Stock, yet blame the Tories for the same thing.

New Labour. This is not the same beast.

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NKEagle Pyongyang 21 Jun 17 4.35pm
Originally posted by npn My personal problem is I have NO idea what they are protesting about! A "day of rage" seems more than a little woolly - come out onto the streets and be angry. If I knew what I am supposed to be angry about, I might be more on board I'd wager that most of the protesters don't know either. They seem to be comprised in large part of kids who just want an excuse to run around breaking things [which, frankly, might have appealed to me when I was that age], guilt-ridden middle class white people who have been conditioned to believe that their very existence oppresses every minority group in the country, and people who are simply upset in general with their lot in life.
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Pyongyang 21 Jun 17 4.35pm

Originally posted by npn

I'd wager that most of the protesters don't know either. They seem to be comprised in large part of kids who just want an excuse to run around breaking things [which, frankly, might have appealed to me when I was that age], guilt-ridden middle class white people who have been conditioned to believe that their very existence oppresses every minority group in the country, and people who are simply upset in general with their lot in life.

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Hansy 21 Jun 17 4.38pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle New Labour. This is not the same beast. Yeah it is easy to say you'll do everything to make everyone happy. Doesn't usually work when you are in power though. Same sh*t different toilet.
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Hansy

21 Jun 17 4.38pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

New Labour. This is not the same beast.

Yeah it is easy to say you'll do everything to make everyone happy. Doesn't usually work when you are in power though.

Same sh*t different toilet.

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