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| NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 21 Jul 20 5.05pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Based on last nights post match interview and serveral others I'm sure Roy knows to say the right thing in front of the press. But he's simply not given anyone under the age of 25 a look in with the exception of AWB. AWB went on to be a world record transfer. I don't expect all players to be that good, but surely there's got to be some kind of happy medium between the rest of the players we have? I like the way he said he's "aware of giving cliched answers". It's all professional sports people do now. It shuts out any form of insite and really makes interviews dull. Better interview questions might give Roy a chance to address his critics. Not an interview as such, but the presenter on BT Sport last night said that Palace were a club '' drifting from the boardroom down '' and that sums it up for me. Re younger players, I think you and others on here need to accept that the current crop are nothing special.
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| EddieMac 21 Jul 20 5.09pm |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
Not an interview as such, but the presenter on BT Sport last night said that Palace were a club '' drifting from the boardroom down '' and that sums it up for me. Re younger players, I think you and others on here need to accept that the current crop are nothing special. They want changes for the sake of it and then they will moan about those changes. A lot of our fans need to open their eyes and sit down and have a good look at the problems within our club and realise the problems run a lot deeper than Roy’s tactics.
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| SwordFish Peasmarsh,East Sussex 21 Jul 20 5.13pm |
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Originally posted by EddieMac
All you Roy OUT brigade are missing the big picture here. Roy Hodgson has less than one year left on his contract, yes folks less than 1 year. You are all saying he is not the man to lead us into the future or develop younger players but the part all of you are missing is that Roy Hodgson knows he is not leading us into the future, Steve Parish knows Roy Hodgson is not leading us into the future and so do the players and us fans that can actually look at the whole picture. Our squad is a shambles. Roy knows this, Parish knows this and most fans know this. He is being kept on in the short term so we can get some young players in and hopefully some better quality senior ones then he will be gone. He has 1 job and that is to keep us in the division while they try sort out the mess behind him. The way you lot are carrying on it is like he has just signed a 10 year deal. Just think about it, less than 12 months and he will be gone. Play Meyer. Garbage the lot of it. Edited by EddieMac (21 Jul 2020 5.04pm) Edited by EddieMac (21 Jul 2020 5.05pm) Couldn’t have put it better myself
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jeeagles  21 Jul 20 5.31pm |
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Originally posted by EddieMac
All you Roy OUT brigade are missing the big picture here. Roy Hodgson has less than one year left on his contract, yes folks less than 1 year. You are all saying he is not the man to lead us into the future or develop younger players but the part all of you are missing is that Roy Hodgson knows he is not leading us into the future, Steve Parish knows Roy Hodgson is not leading us into the future and so do the players and us fans that can actually look at the whole picture. Our squad is a shambles. Roy knows this, Parish knows this and most fans know this. He is being kept on in the short term so we can get some young players in and hopefully some better quality senior ones then he will be gone. He has 1 job and that is to keep us in the division while they try sort out the mess behind him. The way you lot are carrying on it is like he has just signed a 10 year deal. Just think about it, less than 12 months and he will be gone. Play Meyer. Garbage the lot of it. Edited by EddieMac (21 Jul 2020 5.04pm) Very constructive. He only has next season left. A season in which we will be relegated if he remains at the healm. If we know he's not going to lead us in the future, what's the point in keeping him? Public acknowledgement of managers leaving at the season of a is rarely done. For good reason too. Once players know a manager is on their way out the managers influence on them diminishes. That's just human nature. Particularly when the managers plancs aren't working. Take Advocaat at Sunderland. Saved them, then decieded to sign a one year deal instead of retiring and they tanked. Allardyce at West Ham, his contract was running out and not to be renewed, had 9 wins in their first 19 games, and 3 wins in their second 19 games of that season. You say none of us could come up with a better alternative that what Roy is serving up every week, and that we are boring. Let's look at our form for the last 7 games, P7, L7, F2, A17. I fail to see how you find that interesting or entertaining? Prehaps you can enlighten me? We are calling for some kind of change. To do something different to what isn't working. It's getting repetitive because nothing is changing. Not the line up, the tactics, subs, set plays, and most importantly - the results. Can you really justify carrying on like this? What is Hodgson currently getting right? The big picture is that he'd had 3 seasons, and we are currently in our worst state since promotion. A bunch of ageing players, poor performances, and an uninspiring manager who fails to take responsibility.
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| jeeagles 21 Jul 20 5.48pm |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
Not an interview as such, but the presenter on BT Sport last night said that Palace were a club '' drifting from the boardroom down '' and that sums it up for me. Re younger players, I think you and others on here need to accept that the current crop are nothing special. It's true, there's lots of issues. Parish and the board don't want to spend money for spendings sake and could have invested more, but from what I understand the business is making a loss. Swapping managers is a costly business, as anyone coming in will want a significant transfer budget. I'm not sure Roy carries enough clout to force them into backing him. He keeps the club up, the board are happy, they have a manager who doesn't cause them issues, and we slip into a comfort zone which causes a drift. It's going to take a sudden shock to change things. I'm pretty sure Pulis and BFS left because they didn't get enough backing. Roy is aware that if he creates problems he'll probably get the same treatment. Under Freedman, we were top of the league, and he was the lowest played manager, and we let him go. We can't swap the chairman, who's next in line? We can't scrap the whole team, that will be far to expensive. Getting someone new in will force Parish's hand a bit more to make the vital investment we need.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 21 Jul 20 5.51pm |
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Originally posted by EddieMac
All you Roy OUT brigade are missing the big picture here. Roy Hodgson has less than one year left on his contract, yes folks less than 1 year. You are all saying he is not the man to lead us into the future or develop younger players but the part all of you are missing is that Roy Hodgson knows he is not leading us into the future, Steve Parish knows Roy Hodgson is not leading us into the future and so do the players and us fans that can actually look at the whole picture. Our squad is a shambles. Roy knows this, Parish knows this and most fans know this. He is being kept on in the short term so we can get some young players in and hopefully some better quality senior ones then he will be gone. He has 1 job and that is to keep us in the division while they try sort out the mess behind him. The way you lot are carrying on it is like he has just signed a 10 year deal. Just think about it, less than 12 months and he will be gone. Play Meyer. Garbage the lot of it. Edited by EddieMac (21 Jul 2020 5.04pm) Edited by EddieMac (21 Jul 2020 5.05pm) There’s been loads suggested, but you don’t want to hear it - easier to convince yourself Riedewald is a pub player and Roy is the second coming. Nothing is as pathetic and unbelievably boring as our performances this year. If you think refusing to acknowledge this makes you a better fan, good luck to you. The numbers are there for all to see. Acknowledging that our squad is weak and investment is needed does not absolve Roy of any blame, no matter how many times you repeat it.
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| Ali_Campbell New Addington 21 Jul 20 5.52pm |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
I have to hold my hands up and acknowledge that I must know nothing about football. Unfortunately, football is all about money these days Patrick and no longer about goals scored and against. We have a wage bill of £79million a year, the shiny new academy will cost 3-4 million a year to run, plus everything else. It’s a business modal unsustainable in the championship. In summary, prior Roy we were losing a s*** load of money and since Roy we have managed to pay the debts and steady the ship and invest a little in a new academy which we will hopefully benefit from in 7-8 Years.
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Den1923  21 Jul 20 6.06pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Very constructive. He only has next season left. A season in which we will be relegated if he remains at the healm. If we know he's not going to lead us in the future, what's the point in keeping him? Public acknowledgement of managers leaving at the season of a is rarely done. For good reason too. Once players know a manager is on their way out the managers influence on them diminishes. That's just human nature. Particularly when the managers plancs aren't working. Take Advocaat at Sunderland. Saved them, then decieded to sign a one year deal instead of retiring and they tanked. Allardyce at West Ham, his contract was running out and not to be renewed, had 9 wins in their first 19 games, and 3 wins in their second 19 games of that season. You say none of us could come up with a better alternative that what Roy is serving up every week, and that we are boring. Let's look at our form for the last 7 games, P7, L7, F2, A17. I fail to see how you find that interesting or entertaining? Prehaps you can enlighten me? We are calling for some kind of change. To do something different to what isn't working. It's getting repetitive because nothing is changing. Not the line up, the tactics, subs, set plays, and most importantly - the results. Can you really justify carrying on like this? What is Hodgson currently getting right? The big picture is that he'd had 3 seasons, and we are currently in our worst state since promotion. A bunch of ageing players, poor performances, and an uninspiring manager who fails to take responsibility.[/quote] I think we really do have to be realistic and acknowledge that Roy has done a fantastic job over the last three years with a squad of players that in the main were inherited from other managers. The loss of form of key players is something that no one could have foreseen,it is therefore hardly the managers fault. Then there are the injuries which is what you get and should expect when you have an aged squad,especially so when you are being asked to play matches every two or three days in more demanding summer conditions, this is especially a problem for the older players. On top all this Roy has not been backed in the transfer market despite making his requests known over the last few transfer windows. Those of us who are asking for the younger players to be given a chance,
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| Ali_Campbell New Addington 21 Jul 20 6.09pm |
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The budget sheet indirectly impacts how we play. Have you not ever wondered why we have only signed free agent players or spent 2 million.
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| braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 21 Jul 20 6.33pm |
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Originally posted by Ali_Campbell
Unfortunately, football is all about money these days Patrick and no longer about goals scored and against. We have a wage bill of £79million a year, the shiny new academy will cost 3-4 million a year to run, plus everything else. It’s a business modal unsustainable in the championship. In summary, prior Roy we were losing a s*** load of money and since Roy we have managed to pay the debts and steady the ship and invest a little in a new academy which we will hopefully benefit from in 7-8 Years. whereas i whole heartedly agree with your positivity we are still losing s*** loads of money, without awb sale we would have lost £40m last season so I assume we will lose similar this season if we dont sell wilf...luckily selling wilf may not be as important as this years figures dont count towards ffp due to covid. getting rid of mamadou & bentekkers would slash that to a £20m losses without any fees received involved in the maths. still...roy in...overall he is going a great job.
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| jeeagles 21 Jul 20 6.44pm |
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Originally posted by Den1923
Originally posted by jeeagles
Very constructive. He only has next season left. A season in which we will be relegated if he remains at the healm. If we know he's not going to lead us in the future, what's the point in keeping him? Public acknowledgement of managers leaving at the season of a is rarely done. For good reason too. Once players know a manager is on their way out the managers influence on them diminishes. That's just human nature. Particularly when the managers plancs aren't working. Take Advocaat at Sunderland. Saved them, then decieded to sign a one year deal instead of retiring and they tanked. Allardyce at West Ham, his contract was running out and not to be renewed, had 9 wins in their first 19 games, and 3 wins in their second 19 games of that season. You say none of us could come up with a better alternative that what Roy is serving up every week, and that we are boring. Let's look at our form for the last 7 games, P7, L7, F2, A17. I fail to see how you find that interesting or entertaining? Prehaps you can enlighten me? We are calling for some kind of change. To do something different to what isn't working. It's getting repetitive because nothing is changing. Not the line up, the tactics, subs, set plays, and most importantly - the results. Can you really justify carrying on like this? What is Hodgson currently getting right? The big picture is that he'd had 3 seasons, and we are currently in our worst state since promotion. A bunch of ageing players, poor performances, and an uninspiring manager who fails to take responsibility.[/quote] I think we really do have to be realistic and acknowledge that Roy has done a fantastic job over the last three years with a squad of players that in the main were inherited from other managers. The loss of form of key players is something that no one could have foreseen,it is therefore hardly the managers fault. Then there are the injuries which is what you get and should expect when you have an aged squad,especially so when you are being asked to play matches every two or three days in more demanding summer conditions, this is especially a problem for the older players. On top all this Roy has not been backed in the transfer market despite making his requests known over the last few transfer windows. Those of us who are asking for the younger players to be given a chance, Are you saying that poor performance of the players isn't down to the management?
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| Den1923 21 Jul 20 8.05pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
Are you saying that poor performance of the players isn't down to the management? No, if you are talking about SP then he is responsible, if your talking about Roy, then no, he is not responsible, because he has dealt the cards that he has been given and done what previous managers could not do and that is save us from relegation with a very average squad. Less competent managers thought they could not do, so they walked away leaving someone else holding the baby!
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| NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 21 Jul 20 8.09pm |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
I have to hold my hands up and acknowledge that I must know nothing about football. Well, at last we agree on something !
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| PatrickA London 21 Jul 20 8.17pm |
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Many thanks.
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