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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 21 Jul 20 3.21am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Played 7. Lost 7. In the lock out of fans period. Not one word I’ve read has mentioned our fans. Could it be we have helped the team over the line in a number of games? Because we haven’t had many clear victories. It’s the only big change in this shocking period. If we are not allowed back I think we will continue to struggle. Or we need a major overhaul which on the current watch is probably very unlikely. I am very worried for the future as I just can’t see unrestricted fans being allowed back anytime soon. Things are looking so bleak and I am not a tv fan.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 21 Jul 20 6.54am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

Well there's something wrong with your observational skills then.

Most of Hodgson's critics blame him for anything and everything and one of them earlier today claimed that that he was an idiot that should never had a career in football. Seriously...

I've backed Hodgson all the way while acknowledging that the football has been dull and unenjoyable to watch.

And now we are back to going over the same old points again ;

1. No backing in the transfer market - are you going to dispute that ?

2. Doesn't give youth a chance. Well he did tonight and it wasn't exactly AWB all over again was it ? ( saying that I think Mitchell is decent and he was up against a very good opponent and playing in a team that's had it's confidence shot to pieces ). But we do not have a group of capable youngsters being denied a chance.

3. His objective - given by his boss - is keep the club in the Premier League - has he or has he not achieved that ?

This club has been run on a short term basis more or less since promotion in 2013. It continues to do that by offering Roy another 12 month deal.

The reason I stick up for Hodgson is that he has not been able to view the job as a ' project ' which is the management buzzword in football. It's all about the next season and not beyond that.

I said a few weeks ago that it's difficult to make a case for any manager that loses 8 games in a row, which looks likely. And I stand by that - I could understand Parish reaching an agreement that allows Roy his dignity to depart gracefully.

But the author of this mess is Parish. And I say that reluctantly because I know how much the club means to him.

Good post. Parish and those that think he can do no wrong, should take a long hard look at themselves. The only point I have a slight issue with is, the project. Realistically at his age, did Roy see this as a project? I’m not sure but he has fulfilled his employers wishes by keeping us up. SP is a fan surely as such he can see we cannot go on like this.
My other concern is there seems to be anomalies between the players Roy wants in his system and those DF occasionally signs ie Camarasa,

 

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View Helmet46's Profile Helmet46 Flag Croydon 21 Jul 20 7.07am Send a Private Message to Helmet46 Add Helmet46 as a friend

Hmm. Freedman. What does he actually do and have we seen him at any games? (Tricky now, I get that, but the camera never seems to pick him out). Whilst I’ve never forgotten he walked I do really struggle that someone of Roy’s age and his experience actually needs Freedman - a proven managerial flop - going around buying players for him.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 21 Jul 20 7.10am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

It's been a 1 year project season on season and this only has a limited shelf life.
Hodgson has been given a 1 year contract!

I think you've nailed it Willo. Since our return to the Premiership I can find little evidence that Parish has engaged in any long term successional planning. Short termist survival has obviously been uppermost in Parish's mind, this can be seen by the type of manager he employed, and the the player signings made.
As you say, this type of plan has a limited shelf life, and it looks like time is up. Now hard decisions have to be made. There are far too many riding the Palace gravy train, they have to go as soon as. Seven years in the Prem with nothing in place to show that there was a plan, although Parish does have a nice model of the new stand. Whatever happened to that? Gone real quiet on that front.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (21 Jul 2020 7.11am)

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 21 Jul 20 7.42am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Ok.
So add to the excuses for Hodgson that it’s a one year project so what chance has he got.
I counted last night a first half shot from Schlupp that was narrowly wide and a couple of shots from Zaha in the second half that the keeper through his cap at.
That was the extent of our attacking intent.
Our set pieces were woeful.
This has been symptomatic of our play all season.
Some say ah but Hodgson’s strengths lie in organisation and defensive discipline.
Well that seems to have deserted him this season as our goals record is minus 19 against.
People can continue to the defend the indefensible and make excuses, but I’m afraid I the evidence on display speaks for itself.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 21 Jul 20 8.06am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

Ok.
So add to the excuses for Hodgson that it’s a one year project so what chance has he got.
I counted last night a first half shot from Schlupp that was narrowly wide and a couple of shots from Zaha in the second half that the keeper through his cap at.
That was the extent of our attacking intent.
Our set pieces were woeful.
This has been symptomatic of our play all season.
Some say ah but Hodgson’s strengths lie in organisation and defensive discipline.
Well that seems to have deserted him this season as our goals record is minus 19 against.

People can continue to the defend the indefensible and make excuses, but I’m afraid I the evidence on display speaks for itself.

It's actually quite easy to make excuses for Hodgson when he has critics like you.

You are neglecting the fact that the problems are further up the field, just 30 goals scored all season. Had Ayew not been the surprise package of the season, it could have been a lot worse.

Of course goalscorers and creative midfielders do not come cheap - hence we have what we have got. Unless Parish finds some cash, nothing will change.

An overhaul of the squad is required and ideally you would do that over a longer period than 12 months, but of course when it comes to first team matters the club doesn't work like that.

Oh and by the way Chelsea have conceded the same number of goals as Palace this season.

 


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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 21 Jul 20 8.06am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

Well there's something wrong with your observational skills then.

Most of Hodgson's critics blame him for anything and everything and one of them earlier today claimed that that he was an idiot that should never had a career in football. Seriously...

I've backed Hodgson all the way while acknowledging that the football has been dull and unenjoyable to watch.

And now we are back to going over the same old points again ;

1. No backing in the transfer market - are you going to dispute that ?

2. Doesn't give youth a chance. Well he did tonight and it wasn't exactly AWB all over again was it ? ( saying that I think Mitchell is decent and he was up against a very good opponent and playing in a team that's had it's confidence shot to pieces ). But we do not have a group of capable youngsters being denied a chance.

3. His objective - given by his boss - is keep the club in the Premier League - has he or has he not achieved that ?

This club has been run on a short term basis more or less since promotion in 2013. It continues to do that by offering Roy another 12 month deal.

The reason I stick up for Hodgson is that he has not been able to view the job as a ' project ' which is the management buzzword in football. It's all about the next season and not beyond that.

I said a few weeks ago that it's difficult to make a case for any manager that loses 8 games in a row, which looks likely. And I stand by that - I could understand Parish reaching an agreement that allows Roy his dignity to depart gracefully.

But the author of this mess is Parish. And I say that reluctantly because I know how much the club means to him.

Wanting Roy to go and recognising the inherent issues with the board/club are not mutually exclusive positions.

Even with said limitations considered, I don’t think Roy has done enough to stay in the job, which you do acknowledge in your post.

I will say anyone calling Roy an idiot or not recognising the job he’s done for us is way off the mark - I view the first 2 years of his tenure as successful, and after listening to some of the s***e Warnock, Pardew, Holloway and Pulis threw around in press conferences for years, It’s been refreshing to have an intelligent, respectful manager who conducts himself so well.

But I think the time has come to move on.


Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (21 Jul 2020 8.09am)

 

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View adelaar's Profile adelaar Flag Edgware 21 Jul 20 8.10am Send a Private Message to adelaar Add adelaar as a friend

What does everyone think of getting in the Cowley brothers? Huge step up yes, but they are young, progressive and we might even play football. Plus have championship experience should the worst happen. Rumours are they wanted Huddersfield to follow the Burnley method (which was rejected by their chairman) that's we are at?

 

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View EddieMac's Profile EddieMac Flag 21 Jul 20 8.55am Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

Originally posted by adelaar

What does everyone think of getting in the Cowley brothers? Huge step up yes, but they are young, progressive and we might even play football. Plus have championship experience should the worst happen. Rumours are they wanted Huddersfield to follow the Burnley method (which was rejected by their chairman) that's we are at?

The same 2 blokes who have just been sacked after almost relegating Huddersfield ?

 

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 21 Jul 20 9.08am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Roy may not be the main reason for where we are and what we are doing but he is a part of problem for sure.
If we are only thinking as far as next year then what is the point.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Jul 20 9.10am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by EddieMac


The same 2 blokes who have just been sacked after almost relegating Huddersfield ?

When they arrived at Huddersfield, the club were second from bottom and when they left they were 18th out of 24.

It would appear that the club and the Cowleys were not on the same wavelength in terms of the way forward and Huddersfield have approached one of Bielsa's assistants as a replacement.

 

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View MonsterMunch's Profile MonsterMunch Flag Cambridge 21 Jul 20 9.23am Send a Private Message to MonsterMunch Add MonsterMunch as a friend

[Link] -- in fairness to him has a point.. he has not had a goalscorer at the club in his entire time here. Begs the question why was Sorloth jettisoned then? I know he was awful but if we are short on bodies why did we not keep him.. surely its Roy and Rays job to improve the players?

However I am more than concerned with his comments around he doesnt know what else we could do. How about try something different.. if your tactics and personnel has resulted in 6 straight losses prior to this game.. try something different.. players, tactics, formation.. something. Hes too stubborn for his own good. In my opinion he does some of these things as a display to Parish and co.

 

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