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Dubai Eagle Flag 18 Oct 23 6.44am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

In an earlier post (unless I miss understood) there was a mention that the Fan-Zone would be relocated to the area between the Holmesdale & AW - how that would effect any new look wrap around between the 2 stands would be interesting to see.

Also - as you say getting rid of that gantry has got to be an absolute blessing, that was one of the things that pushed me to pay for a season ticket as the only tickets available at short notice / per game were at the back of the AW & the view was rubbish.

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Hi Rob

Im no expert but if we cantilever the roof in the Arthur and slope it upwards from the back, Im not sure the difference would be seen by the houses in Park road, or that it would affect their light.

Getting rid of the gantry as the cameras will be in the new stand should sort all that can be done with the Arthur, plus make it look a lot better on the tv. plus of course wrap it round to the Homesdale

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Oct 23 3.58pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

In an earlier post (unless I miss understood) there was a mention that the Fan-Zone would be relocated to the area between the Holmesdale & AW - how that would effect any new look wrap around between the 2 stands would be interesting to see.

Also - as you say getting rid of that gantry has got to be an absolute blessing, that was one of the things that pushed me to pay for a season ticket as the only tickets available at short notice / per game were at the back of the AW & the view was rubbish.

The plans for this have been available for ages.

The old corner terrace where the largely unused TV studio is now will be seats with a flat roof. It will replace the seats removed from the Whitehorse to lengthen the pitch.

The gantry will go because the cameras will be in the new stand. Sadly, that means the world's view of Selhurst Park will be the Arthur Waite.
At least it has flashy new advertising strips on the roof now. (sarcasm).

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (18 Oct 2023 3.58pm)

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 26 Oct 23 8.16am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

I can't find the thread where we were discussing match day revenue before and after the new stand.

Anyway here it is according to click bait.

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Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 30 Oct 23 12.41pm Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

Is there any viability to buying Hayes Lane off Bromley and starting over? Could even share with them. Loads of space there, no, and mostly used for football?

 


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nead1 Flag 30 Oct 23 1.02pm Send a Private Message to nead1 Add nead1 as a friend

Surely there would be big issues with local residents at the thought of a Pl club building a ground there? I also believe there are planning permission issues associated with their ground - the new stand they are planning had to be restricted in height due to planning issues I seem to recall.

 

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fatbloke Flag SE LONDON 30 Oct 23 2.04pm Send a Private Message to fatbloke Add fatbloke as a friend

Bromley is a non-league ground. Will struggle to reach league two standards. They struggled to even upgrade the floodlights the other season due to their height.

And access is a nightmare for crowds of 2k.

 

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TheBigToePunt Flag 30 Oct 23 2.42pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I can't find the thread where we were discussing match day revenue before and after the new stand.

Anyway here it is according to click bait.

[Link]

That's interesting (if true, of course).

If the sums are right, we are spending £150m to increase the overall capacity by 8000, whilst adding corporate facilities. These improvements generate some £8m a year. Based on that, the stand will take the best part of 20 years to pay for itself. I think that sounds about par for the course. I think Arsenal hoped to pay off the costs of building their stadium inside of 25 years.

Matchday ticket sales and hospitality income is not, of course, the only benefit of the project for Palace. By getting in an extra 8000 people we will have more active supporters, many of whom will buy merchandise, food, drink etc, as well as (in time) bringing their own kids to Palace, hopefully.

The stand will also improve the perception of the size of the club to sponsors, media and players, so not every gain can be shown on a balance sheet.

What the sums do illustrate however is the implications of building a new Arthur or Whitehorse stand, especially during the period in which the Main Stand is being paid off.

The AW will seem even more ramshackle once the Main Stand is finished. Even if we can get planning permission to replace the existing stand with a structure comparable to the new Main Stand (not something to take for granted given how close the houses on Park Road are), the sums may not add up.

The current AW holds 9500 (before the corner is filled in). A new AW stand mirroring the new Main Stand would only boost capacity by 4000 seats, whilst likely not containing the same money-spinning corporate facilities as the Main Stand. We could be spending another £150m to make only £4 a year, if that.

It may be possible to retain the bottom two-thirds of the existing AW stand, erecting a new upper tier across the top. That may reduce construction costs compared to building a whole new stand, and perhaps deliver a larger overall increase in capacity compared to building a replica of the new Main Stand, but we would still be paying off the costs of a new AW at the same time as paying off the Main Stand. We would also be banking on Palace filling a near-40,000 seater ground - it doesn't matter how many seats you add if nobody buys a ticket to sit in them.

Just as a 'back-of-fag-packet' sum it's not obvious that the benefits outweigh the costs, let alone the risks.

If we were to do a deal with Sainsburys (can't see any reason why that relationship might be strained...) and replace the current Whitehorse stand with a mirror of the Holmesdale, incorporating a new supermarket underneath, we would gain an extra 6000 seats. That is a better return than we would get from the hypothetical AW project, but still less than we are getting from the Main Stand. As with the AW, a new Whitehorse stand would likely not contain the same corporate facilities as the new Main Stand, thereby further reducing the comparative returns.

It's no wonder Selhurst gets rebuilt one stand every second generation.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (30 Oct 2023 2.44pm)

Edited by TheBigToePunt (30 Oct 2023 2.47pm)

 

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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 30 Oct 23 2.45pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

Is there any viability to buying Hayes Lane off Bromley and starting over? Could even share with them. Loads of space there, no, and mostly used for football?

No viability at all.

Bromley Council have opposed any applications for Palace to move to the Athletics Stadium, as have the local residents. There is no chance of your suggestion getting passed.

In any case, Bromley's ground is in a residential area and has poor transport links.

It's totally unsuitable.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 30 Oct 23 2.59pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

That's interesting (if true, of course).

If the sums are right, we are spending £150m to increase the overall capacity by 8000, whilst adding corporate facilities. These improvements generate some £8m a year. Based on that, the stand will take the best part of 20 years to pay for itself. I think that sounds about par for the course. I think Arsenal hoped to pay off the costs of building their stadium inside of 25 years.

Matchday ticket sales and hospitality income is not, of course, the only benefit of the project for Palace. By getting in an extra 8000 people we will have more active supporters, many of whom will buy merchandise, food, drink etc, as well as (in time) bringing their own kids to Palace, hopefully.

The stand will also improve the perception of the size of the club to sponsors, media and players, so not every gain can be shown on a balance sheet.

What the sums do illustrate however is the implications of building a new Arthur or Whitehorse stand, especially during the period in which the Main Stand is being paid off.

The AW will seem even more ramshackle once the Main Stand is finished. Even if we can get planning permission to replace the existing stand with a structure comparable to the new Main Stand (not something to take for granted given how close the houses on Park Road are), the sums may not add up.

The current AW holds 9500 (before the corner is filled in). A new AW stand mirroring the new Main Stand would only boost capacity by 4000 seats, whilst likely not containing the same money-spinning corporate facilities as the Main Stand. We could be spending another £150m to make only £4 a year, if that.

It may be possible to retain the bottom two-thirds of the existing AW stand, erecting a new upper tier across the top. That may reduce construction costs compared to building a whole new stand, and perhaps deliver a larger overall increase in capacity compared to building a replica of the new Main Stand, but we would still be paying off the costs of a new AW at the same time as paying off the Main Stand. We would also be banking on Palace filling a near-40,000 seater ground - it doesn't matter how many seats you add if nobody buys a ticket to sit in them.

Just as a 'back-of-fag-packet' sum it's not obvious that the benefits outweigh the costs, let alone the risks.

If we were to do a deal with Sainsburys (can't see any reason why that relationship might be strained...) and replace the current Whitehorse stand with a mirror of the Holmesdale, incorporating a new supermarket underneath, we would gain an extra 6000 seats. That is a better return than we would get from the hypothetical AW project, but still less than we are getting from the Main Stand. As with the AW, a new Whitehorse stand would likely not contain the same corporate facilities as the new Main Stand, thereby further reducing the comparative returns.

It's no wonder Selhurst gets rebuilt one stand every second generation.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (30 Oct 2023 2.44pm)

Edited by TheBigToePunt (30 Oct 2023 2.47pm)

I think the bottom line for the club is that at some point wooden stands will be banned on safety grounds so revenue is not the only driver it is the fear that we will lose our safety certificate.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 31 Oct 23 3.32pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

No viability at all.

Bromley Council have opposed any applications for Palace to move to the Athletics Stadium, as have the local residents. There is no chance of your suggestion getting passed.

In any case, Bromley's ground is in a residential area and has poor transport links.

It's totally unsuitable.

It has a health club right next to it and poor access roads.

We are staying at Selhurst for the foreseeable. That much is clear.

 

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eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 31 Oct 23 4.49pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I think the bottom line for the club is that at some point wooden stands will be banned on safety grounds so revenue is not the only driver it is the fear that we will lose our safety certificate.

I thought that was what happened with the main stand a few years ago?

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 31 Oct 23 4.51pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by eagleman13

I thought that was what happened with the main stand a few years ago?

Quite possibly, the point is that safety rules are always changing so it maybe okay today but what about the future.

 


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