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Teddy Eagle Flag 27 Sep 23 6.38pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am glad to agree with you. It makes a pleasant change.

Most describe them as coming from alternative experts. A bit like Trump’s alternative facts.

And sometimes a consensus isn't based on conspiracy theories but comes from people with the power of independent thought.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 27 Sep 23 7.39pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am glad to agree with you. It makes a pleasant change.

Most describe them as coming from alternative experts. A bit like Trump’s alternative facts.

I claim my fiver, you got trump in this thread !

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 27 Sep 23 8.18pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

And sometimes a consensus isn't based on conspiracy theories but comes from people with the power of independent thought.

That depends on whom forms the consensus.

If a bunch of know it alls prone to being indoctrinated by off the wall ideas then they might claim “independent thought” but claim is all it is and their consensus is worthless.

If a bunch of qualified experts in the respective field form a consensus you can be confident that although every opinion won’t be independent of all the others it will be of any conspiracy theories. Only those outside the consensus may be influenced by them.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 27 Sep 23 8.27pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

I claim my fiver, you got trump in this thread !

He is such an insidious influence in so many areas that it’s inevitable that he will come up.

Future generations will look back at these years and wonder if the west had a collective meltdown of reason.

That said Trump is a symptom of our problems. Not the cause.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 27 Sep 23 8.29pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That depends on whom forms the consensus.

If a bunch of know it alls prone to being indoctrinated by off the wall ideas then they might claim “independent thought” but claim is all it is and their consensus is worthless.

If a bunch of qualified experts in the respective field form a consensus you can be confident that although every opinion won’t be independent of all the others it will be of any conspiracy theories. Only those outside the consensus may be influenced by them.

Expert opinion isn't immutable. Doctors used to prescribe cigarettes which they've now changed their minds about.
Just because someone disagrees with your opinions doesn't mean they've been influenced by some malevolent force.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 27 Sep 23 8.31pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

He is such an insidious influence in so many areas that it’s inevitable that he will come up.

Future generations will look back at these years and wonder if the west had a collective meltdown of reason.

That said Trump is a symptom of our problems. Not the cause.

Why do you think you are so correct. Trump and the right in general have certainly improved many lives worldwide. If that saddens you then you really need to re evaluate your moral compass as it’s skewed a little. Maybe it’s a captain jack sparrow one which only you can actually navigate with.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Sep 23 9.33am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Expert opinion isn't immutable. Doctors used to prescribe cigarettes which they've now changed their minds about.
Just because someone disagrees with your opinions doesn't mean they've been influenced by some malevolent force.

No one argues that when new information emerges opinions change, but there will be a consensus among the expert opinion about it. Not just some outliers pushing their own ideas. Many of whom, although obviously not all, have agendas unrelated to the subject.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 28 Sep 23 9.38am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No one argues that when new information emerges opinions change, but there will be a consensus among the expert opinion about it. Not just some outliers pushing their own ideas. Many of whom, although obviously not all, have agendas unrelated to the subject.

Of course there will be outliers. Whoever is first to propose a new theory is ipso facto an outlier.
This continual reference to conspiracy theories is just denying anyone else can think for themselves.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Sep 23 9.38am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Why do you think you are so correct. Trump and the right in general have certainly improved many lives worldwide. If that saddens you then you really need to re evaluate your moral compass as it’s skewed a little. Maybe it’s a captain jack sparrow one which only you can actually navigate with.

I don't see any lives that the right has improved and, although Trump isn't really a representative of the right, being just Trump, nor has he. That they might think he has improved them, that doesn't make it so.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 28 Sep 23 9.45am Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Why do you think you are so correct. Trump and the right in general have certainly improved many lives worldwide. If that saddens you then you really need to re evaluate your moral compass as it’s skewed a little. Maybe it’s a captain jack sparrow one which only you can actually navigate with.

Join the rest of us who no longer respond to his belchings (and you Teddy).

Edited by georgenorman (28 Sep 2023 9.45am)

 

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Tunbridge Flag Tunbridge Wells 28 Sep 23 12.45pm Send a Private Message to Tunbridge Add Tunbridge as a friend

If only that were true, you can't help yourselves!

Trump, Truss and Braverman fine upstanding citizens, give your head a wobble!

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 28 Sep 23 12.56pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

New York is under pressure too.


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