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 chris123  hove actually 26 Sep 19 10.40am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The key to Johnson's behaviour is financial pressure. If he doesn't deliver brexit on 31st October he and his hedge fund backers with their advanced betting will be short of 6.3 billion pounds. Imagine how much that is, and what it means for Johnson if he doesn't deliver. Now quite likely that he wont, how ironic that it will all be down to his nightmare premiership. Is this hedging on a sterling bounce?
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palace_in_frogland  In a broken dream 26 Sep 19 10.43am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Yet more absolute bollox from you. Your post is wrong in so many ways that the only thing right about it is your spelling Really? If I had a pound for every time he’s written “it’s” when it should be “its” ...
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cryrst  The garden of England 26 Sep 19 10.44am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That is not the reason because you can go to prison for an unlawful act, it doesn't have to be an illegal one. He won't go to prison because he wasn't on trial personally. It was the advice he gave the Queen that was judged as unlawful. Should he do the same again, knowing that it has now been found to be unlawful to do so, then his risk increases. I am no lawyer but this time there doesn't appear to have been any attempt to hold him personally culpable because the Court was unable to determine for sure what his motivations were due to the lack of an affidavit, although that did not stop them deciding that the advice itself was unlawful and that all that flowed from that advice equally so. It wasnt the act of proroging which was on 'trial'
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| Stirlingsays 26 Sep 19 10.44am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Brexit is a horse. I'd like to put forward this sentence for most amusing sentence of the day. I'm sure it'll ride it out.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| cryrst The garden of England 26 Sep 19 10.55am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not to the ears of anyone able to rationalise no, but to an already dangerous individual who believes themselves to be a patriot whose "rights" have been stolen they can easily be extremely dangerous and enough to tip them over the edge and into action. Politicians all need to be mindful that not everyone listening processes their words well.
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| Midlands Eagle 26 Sep 19 11.03am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The key to Johnson's behaviour is financial pressure. If he doesn't deliver brexit on 31st October he and his hedge fund backers with their advanced betting will be short of 6.3 billion pounds. Are you hoping that if you repeat it enough times someone might believe you
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 26 Sep 19 11.10am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am sure it was planned and coordinated. You, and others here, totally misunderstand the motivation though. Those ladies are concerned to the point of being terrified that the language being used by this government is increasing the already high level of threats they are receiving. Threats to their lives and their families. Would you not care about that? Jo Cox was mentioned only to emphasise that these threats are real. They are not just empty words of knock about banter in the Commons chamber. To dismiss them as simply political tactics in the disrespectful way that Johnson did was disgraceful. These are his colleagues! No-one with any degree of decency ought to support him in doing so. Planned and coordinated like the rest of the thwarting of Brexit. Not a reason still? Representing their Labour voters would bring no problem. But that’s not the reason is it? Nothing to do with the fact we should’ve left once, going to be twice, had votes on this theee times, but they still won’t allow it to happen. It’s the nasty man Boris and his tongue. He’s why. The people they represent are feeling disrespected, but hey, who cares about some manual workers in the north, or anybody not feeling the wonderful benefits of the EU.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 11.11am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
It wasnt the act of proroging which was on 'trial' Of course he could, but now that it has been established that its length can only be that which is appropriate for its purpose, he would run into an immediate legal challenge if it was more than a few days.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 11.17am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Planned and coordinated like the rest of the thwarting of Brexit. Not a reason still? Representing their Labour voters would bring no problem. But that’s not the reason is it? Nothing to do with the fact we should’ve left once, going to be twice, had votes on this theee times, but they still won’t allow it to happen. It’s the nasty man Boris and his tongue. He’s why. The people they represent are feeling disrespected, but hey, who cares about some manual workers in the north, or anybody not feeling the wonderful benefits of the EU. Those are separate issues to the requests they made yesterday which were so contemptuously dismissed by Johnson. There is no reason why the differences cannot be debated without the use of inflammatory language which adds to the already high levels of threats that this whole sorry situation has engendered. The PM should be leading the way on this but Johnson is leading the charge to lower standards.
For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally. |
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Sep 19 11.32am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Those are separate issues to the requests they made yesterday which were so contemptuously dismissed by Johnson. There is no reason why the differences cannot be debated without the use of inflammatory language which adds to the already high levels of threats that this whole sorry situation has engendered. The PM should be leading the way on this but Johnson is leading the charge to lower standards. If one is referring to Johnson's use of "Betrayal" and "Surrender",with the greatest of respect I would have to disagree that such words used in this context enter this category. I happen to believe the tirade by Barry Sheerman veers into this territory.All very febrile in the Commons thanks to MPs who have frustrated Brexit time and time again.
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| W12 26 Sep 19 11.50am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
If one is referring to Johnson's use of "Betrayal" and "Surrender",with the greatest of respect I would have to disagree that such words used in this context enter this category. I happen to believe the tirade by Barry Sheerman veers into this territory.All very febrile in the Commons thanks to MPs who have frustrated Brexit time and time again. Just when I think the level of Remaoner hypocrisy cannot get any worse they surpass themselves. They accuse everyone that disagrees with them of doing exactly what they are doing themselves e.g. undermining democracy, mounting a coup, dictatorship, escalating the rhetoric/language. It's a classic tactic of the leftist establishment and we can all see it's going on. They need to start thinking about what happens when people give up on democracy. The last time parliament was in a similar situation it started a civil war.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 26 Sep 19 12.10pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
If one is referring to Johnson's use of "Betrayal" and "Surrender",with the greatest of respect I would have to disagree that such words used in this context enter this category. I happen to believe the tirade by Barry Sheerman veers into this territory.All very febrile in the Commons thanks to MPs who have frustrated Brexit time and time again. Johnson has just alienated the support he needed. Minority now of -43 and more after yesterday I would think. I can't see one-nation tories taking any more, but there we go.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 12.10pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
If one is referring to Johnson's use of "Betrayal" and "Surrender",with the greatest of respect I would have to disagree that such words used in this context enter this category. I happen to believe the tirade by Barry Sheerman veers into this territory.All very febrile in the Commons thanks to MPs who have frustrated Brexit time and time again. This and many others. To describe an Act of Parliament, duly passed and given Royal assent, in such language is to demean Parliament itself and shows utter contempt for the rule of law. To do so at this time, when emotions are frayed and the actions of some of our less balanced members of society are already causing problems for people, it is more than irresponsible for anyone. For our PM to do so is completely unacceptable and indefensible. To blame those in Parliament who passed the Act for doing their job and who then get angry because they are being disrespected is quite ridiculous. To do so when MPs are being threatened is dangerous.
For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally. |
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 12.17pm |
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Originally posted by W12
Just when I think the level of Remaoner hypocrisy cannot get any worse they surpass themselves. They accuse everyone that disagrees with them of doing exactly what they are doing themselves e.g. undermining democracy, mounting a coup, dictatorship, escalating the rhetoric/language. It's a classic tactic of the leftist establishment and we can all see it's going on. They need to start thinking about what happens when people give up on democracy. The last time parliament was in a similar situation it started a civil war. The hypocrisy my friend is 100% coming from this government whose coordinated, "doubling down", strategy has been taken straight from the Trump pocket book of tactics, as devised by Roy Cohn. Never apologise. Attack your attacker. Find a scapegoat. It's classic Trump. It's classic populism and has nothing at all to do with our democracy. Which to remind you, yet again, is based in Parliament. It's a disgrace to be seen in the UK and I hope the Tory mandarins behind the scenes put an end to it asap. Their funding will dry up pretty quickly if they don't.
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| Spiderman Horsham 26 Sep 19 12.24pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Those female MPs are receiving death threats every day from nutters being wound up by the rhetoric coming out of Johnson's mouth and you think that is them trying to score political points!!!! What about abuse/threats received from the left by Jewish MPs and those speaking out about anti-semetism in the Labour Party. Can't blame Johnson for that, seems Momentum are as bad if not worse but presumably that does not count
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| Spiderman Horsham 26 Sep 19 12.26pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The hypocrisy my friend is 100% coming from this government whose coordinated, "doubling down", strategy has been taken straight from the Trump pocket book of tactics, as devised by Roy Cohn. Never apologise. Attack your attacker. Find a scapegoat. It's classic Trump. It's classic populism and has nothing at all to do with our democracy. Which to remind you, yet again, is based in Parliament. It's a disgrace to be seen in the UK and I hope the Tory mandarins behind the scenes put an end to it asap. Their funding will dry up pretty quickly if they don't. So no remainers are hypocrites? -.-'
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| W12 26 Sep 19 12.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The hypocrisy my friend is 100% coming from this government whose coordinated, "doubling down", strategy has been taken straight from the Trump pocket book of tactics, as devised by Roy Cohn. Never apologise. Attack your attacker. Find a scapegoat. It's classic Trump. It's classic populism and has nothing at all to do with our democracy. Which to remind you, yet again, is based in Parliament. It's a disgrace to be seen in the UK and I hope the Tory mandarins behind the scenes put an end to it asap. Their funding will dry up pretty quickly if they don't. Remainers lecturing about democracy. Populism is coming to get you.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 26 Sep 19 12.53pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This and many others. To describe an Act of Parliament, duly passed and given Royal assent, in such language is to demean Parliament itself and shows utter contempt for the rule of law. To do so at this time, when emotions are frayed and the actions of some of our less balanced members of society are already causing problems for people, it is more than irresponsible for anyone. For our PM to do so is completely unacceptable and indefensible. To blame those in Parliament who passed the Act for doing their job and who then get angry because they are being disrespected is quite ridiculous. To do so when MPs are being threatened is dangerous. They should’ve said at the time that the referendum was advisory then and they were likely, or possibly, going to thwart it. Don’t hide and slime. Say and be honest.
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| Matov 26 Sep 19 12.55pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Johnson has just alienated the support he needed. Minority now of -43 and more after yesterday I would think. I can't see one-nation tories taking any more, but there we go. Then a vote of No Confidence will sail through and the Tories wiped out in a general election. But oddly enough, none of the above is happening. LOL.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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