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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Sep 19 1.03pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle This and many others. To describe an Act of Parliament, duly passed and given Royal assent, in such language is to demean Parliament itself and shows utter contempt for the rule of law. To do so at this time, when emotions are frayed and the actions of some of our less balanced members of society are already causing problems for people, it is more than irresponsible for anyone. For our PM to do so is completely unacceptable and indefensible. To blame those in Parliament who passed the Act for doing their job and who then get angry because they are being disrespected is quite ridiculous. To do so when MPs are being threatened is dangerous. With respect we really are on opposite sides of the house on this matter.A divided nation and a divided HOL ! It is Parliament who have caused divisions by their failure to deliver Brexit and their repeated attempts to frustrate us from leaving the EU.Some, the Lib Dems, have unashamedly taken the stance which in effect means they don't want to respect the result of the referendum.I certainly don't condone the threats made to MPs but I cannot help concluding that they have been the architects of the bile aimed at them. Edited by Willo (26 Sep 2019 1.04pm)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Sep 19 1.03pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This and many others.

To describe an Act of Parliament, duly passed and given Royal assent, in such language is to demean Parliament itself and shows utter contempt for the rule of law.

To do so at this time, when emotions are frayed and the actions of some of our less balanced members of society are already causing problems for people, it is more than irresponsible for anyone. For our PM to do so is completely unacceptable and indefensible.

To blame those in Parliament who passed the Act for doing their job and who then get angry because they are being disrespected is quite ridiculous. To do so when MPs are being threatened is dangerous.

With respect we really are on opposite sides of the house on this matter.A divided nation and a divided HOL !

It is Parliament who have caused divisions by their failure to deliver Brexit and their repeated attempts to frustrate us from leaving the EU.Some, the Lib Dems, have unashamedly taken the stance which in effect means they don't want to respect the result of the referendum.I certainly don't condone the threats made to MPs but I cannot help concluding that they have been the architects of the bile aimed at them.

Edited by Willo (26 Sep 2019 1.04pm)

Hrolf The Ganger 26 Sep 19 1.05pm
We all know there is only one reason why the opposition won't go to an election. They want to stop Brexit and then hope that people will blame the Tories for the failure to deliver it. It's all they have left. Will there be enough of these power hungry scumbags to vote down another deal? I'm hoping some of these Remainers will see the sense of accepting a reasonable deal if it arrives. This country desperately needs to move on and be seen to honour the Referendum or more radical politics will result. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Sep 2019 1.06pm)

Hrolf The Ganger

26 Sep 19 1.05pm

We all know there is only one reason why the opposition won't go to an election.

They want to stop Brexit and then hope that people will blame the Tories for the failure to deliver it.

It's all they have left.

Will there be enough of these power hungry scumbags to vote down another deal?
I'm hoping some of these Remainers will see the sense of accepting a reasonable deal if it arrives. This country desperately needs to move on and be seen to honour the Referendum or more radical politics will result.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Sep 2019 1.06pm)

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 1.19pm
Originally posted by Spiderman What about abuse/threats received from the left by Jewish MPs and those speaking out about anti-semetism in the Labour Party. Can't blame Johnson for that, seems Momentum are as bad if not worse but presumably that does not count It does, but it's not the subject. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 1.19pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

What about abuse/threats received from the left by Jewish MPs and those speaking out about anti-semetism in the Labour Party. Can't blame Johnson for that, seems Momentum are as bad if not worse but presumably that does not count

It does, but it's not the subject.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 1.20pm
Originally posted by Spiderman So no remainers are hypocrites? -.-' Of course some will be. But again, it's not the subject. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 1.20pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

So no remainers are hypocrites? -.-'

Of course some will be. But again, it's not the subject.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

W12 26 Sep 19 1.30pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Those female MPs are receiving death threats every day from nutters being wound up by the rhetoric coming out of Johnson's mouth and you think that is them trying to score political points!!!! No wonder people get angry with him when people like you cannot fathom the reality of what life must be like for MPs just trying to do their job. So lets just review just some of the stuff that's gone on over Brexit on the remain side: Lib Dems singing "Tony Blair can f*** off and die" Lib Dems complaign slogan "bollocks to Brexit" Mp's shouting at Boris in parliament that he should be in jail Labour MP bringing up the tragic murder of Joe Cox as a political weapon Opposition MP's blaming Boris Johnson for alleged death threats they are getting Remainers laughing when Nigel Farage and UKIP candidates are attacked but someone daring to shout something at Soubre gets a suspended prison sentence Jacob Rees-Mogg getting confronted outside his home with his young children targeted with "your daddy is a horrible person" At the same time we have an opposition leader openly supporting the likes of the IRA, Hamas, Hezbollah and numerous anti-semites and John McDonnell has talked about lynching a Tory MP and calls her a b*tch Rapper holds up a severed head of Boris Johnson Leavers in general have had to put up for over three years with constantly being called racists, xenophobes, fascists, far right, ignorant, uneducated and stupid The fact that some leave voters had died off was celebrated in the "peoples vote" campaign Leavers confronted and attacked in parliament square (including the elderly) Yet Boris calls the Benn act a surrender (which it clearly is) and they clutch their pearls. Hypocrites

W12 26 Sep 19 1.30pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Those female MPs are receiving death threats every day from nutters being wound up by the rhetoric coming out of Johnson's mouth and you think that is them trying to score political points!!!!

No wonder people get angry with him when people like you cannot fathom the reality of what life must be like for MPs just trying to do their job.

So lets just review just some of the stuff that's gone on over Brexit on the remain side:

Lib Dems singing "Tony Blair can f*** off and die"
Lib Dems complaign slogan "bollocks to Brexit"
Mp's shouting at Boris in parliament that he should be in jail
Labour MP bringing up the tragic murder of Joe Cox as a political weapon
Opposition MP's blaming Boris Johnson for alleged death threats they are getting
Remainers laughing when Nigel Farage and UKIP candidates are attacked but someone daring to shout something at Soubre gets a suspended prison sentence
Jacob Rees-Mogg getting confronted outside his home with his young children targeted with "your daddy is a horrible person"
At the same time we have an opposition leader openly supporting the likes of the IRA, Hamas, Hezbollah and numerous anti-semites and John McDonnell has talked about lynching a Tory MP and calls her a b*tch
Rapper holds up a severed head of Boris Johnson

Leavers in general have had to put up for over three years with constantly being called racists, xenophobes, fascists, far right, ignorant, uneducated and stupid
The fact that some leave voters had died off was celebrated in the "peoples vote" campaign
Leavers confronted and attacked in parliament square (including the elderly)

Yet Boris calls the Benn act a surrender (which it clearly is) and they clutch their pearls.

Hypocrites

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 1.32pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman They should’ve said at the time that the referendum was advisory then and they were likely, or possibly, going to thwart it. Don’t hide and slime. Say and be honest. Why on earth would they do that when they had no more idea than anyone else how things would develop? Parliament has reacted to events in exactly the way it should, with honesty and integrity despite the widespread cynicism. If they now feel that the May deal is the best deal available and the people's thin patience means that its faults must be tolerated, then I suspect they would now pass it when before they would not. My hunch is that is what Johnson will, in the end, be offering. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 1.32pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

They should’ve said at the time that the referendum was advisory then and they were likely, or possibly, going to thwart it. Don’t hide and slime. Say and be honest.

Why on earth would they do that when they had no more idea than anyone else how things would develop?

Parliament has reacted to events in exactly the way it should, with honesty and integrity despite the widespread cynicism. If they now feel that the May deal is the best deal available and the people's thin patience means that its faults must be tolerated, then I suspect they would now pass it when before they would not.

My hunch is that is what Johnson will, in the end, be offering.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 1.35pm
Originally posted by W12 So lets just review just some of the stuff that's gone on over Brexit on the remain side: Lib Dems singing "Tony Blair can f*** off and die" Lib Dems complaign slogan "bollocks to Brexit" Mp's shouting at Boris in parliament that he should be in jail Labour MP bringing up the tragic murder of Joe Cox as a political weapon Opposition MP's blaming Boris Johnson for alleged death threats they are getting Remainers laughing when Nigel Farage and UKIP candidates are attacked but someone daring to shout something at Soubre gets a suspended prison sentence Jacob Rees-Mogg getting confronted outside his home with his young children targeted with "your daddy is a horrible person" At the same time we have an opposition leader openly supporting the likes of the IRA, Hamas, Hezbollah and numerous anti-semites and John McDonnell has talked about lynching a Tory MP and calls her a b*tch Rapper holds up a severed head of Boris Johnson Leavers in general have had to put up for over three years with constantly being called racists, xenophobes, fascists, far right, ignorant, uneducated and stupid The fact that some leave voters had died off was celebrated in the "peoples vote" campaign Leavers confronted and attacked in parliament square (including the elderly) Yet Boris calls the Benn act a surrender (which it clearly is) and they clutch their pearls. Hypocrites Johnson is the PM. He needs to show leadership and not act like a wanna be playground bully, using inappropriate language to describe an Act of Parliament he doesn't approve of. PM's ought to be above such things. He isn't. He is playing to his audience, which clearly includes you. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 1.35pm

Originally posted by W12

So lets just review just some of the stuff that's gone on over Brexit on the remain side:

Yet Boris calls the Benn act a surrender (which it clearly is) and they clutch their pearls.

Hypocrites

Johnson is the PM. He needs to show leadership and not act like a wanna be playground bully, using inappropriate language to describe an Act of Parliament he doesn't approve of.

PM's ought to be above such things. He isn't. He is playing to his audience, which clearly includes you.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 1.39pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger We all know there is only one reason why the opposition won't go to an election. They want to stop Brexit and then hope that people will blame the Tories for the failure to deliver it. It's all they have left. Will there be enough of these power hungry scumbags to vote down another deal? I'm hoping some of these Remainers will see the sense of accepting a reasonable deal if it arrives. This country desperately needs to move on and be seen to honour the Referendum or more radical politics will result. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Sep 2019 1.06pm) Rubbish. That's just the narrative Johnson wants you to swallow. Parliament, quite rightly, doesn't trust Johnson to not do something underhand to thwart their will. They may well pass a deal he brings back. I still see that as a real possibility. A slightly tweaked version of the May deal. If they refused then my ire would join yours. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 1.39pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We all know there is only one reason why the opposition won't go to an election.

They want to stop Brexit and then hope that people will blame the Tories for the failure to deliver it.

It's all they have left.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Sep 2019 1.06pm)

Rubbish.

That's just the narrative Johnson wants you to swallow.

Parliament, quite rightly, doesn't trust Johnson to not do something underhand to thwart their will.

They may well pass a deal he brings back. I still see that as a real possibility. A slightly tweaked version of the May deal.

If they refused then my ire would join yours.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 26 Sep 19 1.42pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Johnson is the PM. He needs to show leadership and not act like a wanna be playground bully, using inappropriate language to describe an Act of Parliament he doesn't approve of. PM's ought to be above such things. He isn't. He is playing to his audience, which clearly includes you. Playing to his audience? He’ll be trying to win votes next. Do these politicians know no shame?

Teddy Eagle

26 Sep 19 1.42pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Johnson is the PM. He needs to show leadership and not act like a wanna be playground bully, using inappropriate language to describe an Act of Parliament he doesn't approve of.

PM's ought to be above such things. He isn't. He is playing to his audience, which clearly includes you.

Playing to his audience? He’ll be trying to win votes next. Do these politicians know no shame?

steeleye20 Croydon 26 Sep 19 1.43pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Why on earth would they do that when they had no more idea than anyone else how things would develop? Parliament has reacted to events in exactly the way it should, with honesty and integrity despite the widespread cynicism. If they now feel that the May deal is the best deal available and the people's thin patience means that its faults must be tolerated, then I suspect they would now pass it when before they would not. My hunch is that is what Johnson will, in the end, be offering. I think so too, but I think it will be rejected. When people actually sit down and read Mays deal, they recoil in horror. Anyone can see staying in the EU is the far better option, remember 'vassal state' ? If Johnson is still there he will offer what the EU will agree to which will be quite definitely be no good for the UK. Cancelling could restore the UKs battered reputation, its veto and its self-respect.

steeleye20

Croydon 26 Sep 19 1.43pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why on earth would they do that when they had no more idea than anyone else how things would develop?

My hunch is that is what Johnson will, in the end, be offering.

I think so too, but I think it will be rejected.

When people actually sit down and read Mays deal, they recoil in horror.

Anyone can see staying in the EU is the far better option, remember 'vassal state' ?

If Johnson is still there he will offer what the EU will agree to which will be quite definitely be no good for the UK.

Cancelling could restore the UKs battered reputation, its veto and its self-respect.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 1.43pm
Originally posted by W12 Remainers lecturing about democracy. Populism is coming to get you. It's Parliamentary democracy which is under threat. Parliament has a wide body of opinion in it so to blame "Remainers" is total nonsense. Populism is a scourge that needs to be eradicated everywhere and never allowed a toe hold in our great country. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 1.43pm

Originally posted by W12

Remainers lecturing about democracy.

Populism is coming to get you.

It's Parliamentary democracy which is under threat. Parliament has a wide body of opinion in it so to blame "Remainers" is total nonsense.

Populism is a scourge that needs to be eradicated everywhere and never allowed a toe hold in our great country.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 26 Sep 19 1.53pm
Originally posted by W12 So lets just review just some of the stuff that's gone on over Brexit on the remain side: Lib Dems singing "Tony Blair can f*** off and die" Lib Dems complaign slogan "bollocks to Brexit" Mp's shouting at Boris in parliament that he should be in jail Labour MP bringing up the tragic murder of Joe Cox as a political weapon Opposition MP's blaming Boris Johnson for alleged death threats they are getting Remainers laughing when Nigel Farage and UKIP candidates are attacked but someone daring to shout something at Soubre gets a suspended prison sentence Jacob Rees-Mogg getting confronted outside his home with his young children targeted with "your daddy is a horrible person" At the same time we have an opposition leader openly supporting the likes of the IRA, Hamas, Hezbollah and numerous anti-semites and John McDonnell has talked about lynching a Tory MP and calls her a b*tch Rapper holds up a severed head of Boris Johnson Leavers in general have had to put up for over three years with constantly being called racists, xenophobes, fascists, far right, ignorant, uneducated and stupid The fact that some leave voters had died off was celebrated in the "peoples vote" campaign Leavers confronted and attacked in parliament square (including the elderly) Yet Boris calls the Benn act a surrender (which it clearly is) and they clutch their pearls. Hypocrites Snowflake

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 26 Sep 19 1.53pm

Originally posted by W12

So lets just review just some of the stuff that's gone on over Brexit on the remain side:

Yet Boris calls the Benn act a surrender (which it clearly is) and they clutch their pearls.

Hypocrites

Snowflake

cryrst The garden of England 26 Sep 19 2.00pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Rubbish. That's just the narrative Johnson wants you to swallow. Parliament, quite rightly, doesn't trust Johnson to not do something underhand to thwart their will. They may well pass a deal he brings back. I still see that as a real possibility. A slightly tweaked version of the May deal. If they refused then my ire would join yours. Literally you just said it would be May's deal. Now it's a tweaked May's deal.

cryrst

The garden of England 26 Sep 19 2.00pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Rubbish.

That's just the narrative Johnson wants you to swallow.

Parliament, quite rightly, doesn't trust Johnson to not do something underhand to thwart their will.

They may well pass a deal he brings back. I still see that as a real possibility. A slightly tweaked version of the May deal.

If they refused then my ire would join yours.

Literally you just said it would be May's deal.
Now it's a tweaked May's deal.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Sep 19 2.19pm
Originally posted by W12 So lets just review just some of the stuff that's gone on over Brexit on the remain side: Lib Dems singing "Tony Blair can f*** off and die" Lib Dems complaign slogan "bollocks to Brexit" Mp's shouting at Boris in parliament that he should be in jail Labour MP bringing up the tragic murder of Joe Cox as a political weapon Opposition MP's blaming Boris Johnson for alleged death threats they are getting Remainers laughing when Nigel Farage and UKIP candidates are attacked but someone daring to shout something at Soubre gets a suspended prison sentence Jacob Rees-Mogg getting confronted outside his home with his young children targeted with "your daddy is a horrible person" At the same time we have an opposition leader openly supporting the likes of the IRA, Hamas, Hezbollah and numerous anti-semites and John McDonnell has talked about lynching a Tory MP and calls her a b*tch Rapper holds up a severed head of Boris Johnson Leavers in general have had to put up for over three years with constantly being called racists, xenophobes, fascists, far right, ignorant, uneducated and stupid The fact that some leave voters had died off was celebrated in the "peoples vote" campaign Leavers confronted and attacked in parliament square (including the elderly) Yet Boris calls the Benn act a surrender (which it clearly is) and they clutch their pearls. Hypocrites Upon my face fell a grin of rapt adoration on perusing this post.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Sep 19 2.19pm

Originally posted by W12

So lets just review just some of the stuff that's gone on over Brexit on the remain side:

Yet Boris calls the Benn act a surrender (which it clearly is) and they clutch their pearls.

Hypocrites

Upon my face fell a grin of rapt adoration on perusing this post.

Lyons550 Shirley 26 Sep 19 2.19pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Those female MPs are receiving death threats every day from nutters being wound up by the rhetoric coming out of Johnson's mouth and you think that is them trying to score political points!!!! No wonder people get angry with him when people like you cannot fathom the reality of what life must be like for MPs just trying to do their job. Do you not also feel that they're being wound up by MP's not supporting the vote of their constituencies? ....and yes you can save me the boring lecture of an MP's role If they choose to ignore their electorate then they shouldnt be shocked when people start getting irate with them. The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Lyons550

Shirley 26 Sep 19 2.19pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Those female MPs are receiving death threats every day from nutters being wound up by the rhetoric coming out of Johnson's mouth and you think that is them trying to score political points!!!!

No wonder people get angry with him when people like you cannot fathom the reality of what life must be like for MPs just trying to do their job.

Do you not also feel that they're being wound up by MP's not supporting the vote of their constituencies?

....and yes you can save me the boring lecture of an MP's role

If they choose to ignore their electorate then they shouldnt be shocked when people start getting irate with them.

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Midlands Eagle 26 Sep 19 2.22pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 ....and yes you can save me the boring lecture of an MP's role What's that then? I must have missed it

Midlands Eagle

26 Sep 19 2.22pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

....and yes you can save me the boring lecture of an MP's role

What's that then? I must have missed it

steeleye20 Croydon 26 Sep 19 2.54pm
Yet another Commons defeat for 'the incredible hulk'. That's 7-0. Cross-party support? Now? Do me a favour......

steeleye20

Croydon 26 Sep 19 2.54pm

Yet another Commons defeat for 'the incredible hulk'.

That's 7-0.

Cross-party support? Now?

Do me a favour......

W12 26 Sep 19 2.54pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It's Parliamentary democracy which is under threat. Parliament has a wide body of opinion in it so to blame "Remainers" is total nonsense. Populism is a scourge that needs to be eradicated everywhere and never allowed a toe hold in our great country. Populism = what people want That's why it's popular Edited by W12 (26 Sep 2019 2.55pm)

W12 26 Sep 19 2.54pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's Parliamentary democracy which is under threat. Parliament has a wide body of opinion in it so to blame "Remainers" is total nonsense.

Populism is a scourge that needs to be eradicated everywhere and never allowed a toe hold in our great country.

Populism = what people want

That's why it's popular

Edited by W12 (26 Sep 2019 2.55pm)

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 26 Sep 19 3.10pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Why on earth would they do that when they had no more idea than anyone else how things would develop? Parliament has reacted to events in exactly the way it should, with honesty and integrity despite the widespread cynicism. If they now feel that the May deal is the best deal available and the people's thin patience means that its faults must be tolerated, then I suspect they would now pass it when before they would not. My hunch is that is what Johnson will, in the end, be offering. Bulls***! No honesty and no integrity in the whole lot or them! Edited by the silurian (26 Sep 2019 3.11pm)

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 26 Sep 19 3.10pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why on earth would they do that when they had no more idea than anyone else how things would develop?

Parliament has reacted to events in exactly the way it should, with honesty and integrity despite the widespread cynicism. If they now feel that the May deal is the best deal available and the people's thin patience means that its faults must be tolerated, then I suspect they would now pass it when before they would not.

My hunch is that is what Johnson will, in the end, be offering.

Bulls***!

No honesty and no integrity in the whole lot or them!

Edited by the silurian (26 Sep 2019 3.11pm)

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 26 Sep 19 3.12pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It does, but it's not the subject. or it doesn't suit your agenda ??

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 26 Sep 19 3.12pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It does, but it's not the subject.

or it doesn't suit your agenda
??

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