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 palace_in_frogland  In a broken dream 04 Oct 19 11.11am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Hasn’t Jacob R-M got something to do with hedges? Or is that the Privet Councillor? Is he responsible for laurel n order?
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steeleye20  Croydon 04 Oct 19 11.15am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Why? I think an extension followed by a GE is much more likely. If this "final offer" is rejected, as seems inevitable to me, then it seems that the gap is far too large in basic understanding of what is required for there to be any realistic prospect of tweaks making any difference. I truly hope I am wrong. If I am right then we will be down to finding out what Parliament will decide to do. This government are not in control of matters. Elsewhere in this thread I have read suggestions that as EU law is superior to UK law that the triggering of Article 50 would stand above the requirements of the Benn Act. This is the relevant clause in Article 50:- "3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period." The key phrase being "in agreement with the Member State concerned". UK law applies to all, so if the PM is required to ask for an extension then he is obliged by law to do so. That applies whether Johnson is still the PM or has been replaced. My conclusion therefore is that this is all electioneering and not a serious attempt at finding a deal. Johnson is setting up the scene (choreographed by his stage designer Cummings) ready for his next big performance as the martyr who tried to do what "we" wanted, but was blocked at every turn. This is all about him. He is entertaining in an Arthur Daley kind of way but I wouldn't buy a car from him either. It may not be serious for us but it certainly is for NI people, who would see their economy and prosperity suffer just for a stitch-up by Johnson and Foster. NI people, republicans and unionist, voted by a substantial majority not to leave the EU, the DUP is the only party that did and has also not signed up to the GFA. The EU has been quick to realise that this is a sweetener for the DUP and will not allow them free reign to make future choices with no reference to anyone but themselves. As for the HOC, well they may well feel able to vote such a deal through, as it is not effecting them is it?
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| Midlands Eagle 04 Oct 19 11.16am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
My conclusion therefore is that this is all electioneering and not a serious attempt at finding a deal. Johnson is setting up the scene (choreographed by his stage designer Cummings) ready for his next big performance as the martyr who tried to do what "we" wanted, but was blocked at every turn. This is all about him. He is entertaining in an Arthur Daley kind of way but I wouldn't buy a car from him either. It looks like Project Shyte has taken over from Project Fear
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Teddy Eagle  04 Oct 19 11.25am |
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Originally posted by palace_in_frogland
Is he responsible for laurel n order? Indeed. In the Lelandii of Hope and Glory.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 04 Oct 19 11.40am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
My conclusion therefore is that this is all electioneering and not a serious attempt at finding a deal. Johnson is setting up the scene (choreographed by his stage designer Cummings) ready for his next big performance as the martyr who tried to do what "we" wanted, but was blocked at every turn. This is all about him. He is entertaining in an Arthur Daley kind of way but I wouldn't buy a car from him either. Not a false picture though is it?
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Oct 19 11.48am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
It looks like Project Shyte has taken over from Project Fear
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cryrst  The garden of England 04 Oct 19 12.14pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
If we leave without a deal and the EU refuse to put up any borders in Ireland I think that I will change professions and become a smuggler as there will be fortunes to be made smuggling goods over the non existent border. No doubt the more dim witted remainers will start spouting off that it was Boris's plan all along as he's backed by an international smuggling ring Smuggling goes on all over the place.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Oct 19 12.47pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Not a false picture though is it? Entirely false. He isn't doing what "we" wanted. He is attempting to do what some of you want.
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| Teddy Eagle 04 Oct 19 12.56pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Entirely false. He isn't doing what "we" wanted. He is attempting to do what some of you want. So not what you want. That’s politics.
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| palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 04 Oct 19 12.58pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Indeed. In the Lelandii of Hope and Glory. Where we sing the National Chrysanthemum.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Oct 19 1.01pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
It looks like Project Shyte has taken over from Project Fear I trust you mean that Johnson's project is "shyte"! I came across this article from 2016 whilst researching how Article 50 is actually implemented. As it comes from the "European Law Monitor" I think it probably approaches things pretty objectively, as the other articles there seem to confirm. I think it's worth reading now as it seems to be the blueprint followed by the ultra Brexiteers. Many of the claims identified there as untrue are now held, and repeated endlessly as fact, by those who support a "no deal" Brexit. As the "leave" campaign was masterminded by Cummings who is now masterminding the Johnson approach it isn't too hard to see the common thread. Whatever your view of the EU this kind of approach to informing the people needs to be condemned. Employing a propagandist to mislead is resonant of the 1930s. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (04 Oct 2019 1.07pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Oct 19 1.04pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
So not what you want. That’s politics. What I want doesn't matter. Nor does what you want. It's what we want that does. Who judges that? The government or Parliament? You know my answer!
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| Teddy Eagle 04 Oct 19 1.08pm |
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Originally posted by palace_in_frogland
Where we sing the National Chrysanthemum. No open borders for us.
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| Teddy Eagle 04 Oct 19 1.16pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What I want doesn't matter. Nor does what you want. It's what we want that does. Who judges that? The government or Parliament? You know my answer! The problem with this logic is that “we” consist of “I” and “you”.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Oct 19 1.59pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I trust you mean that Johnson's project is "shyte"! I came across this article from 2016 whilst researching how Article 50 is actually implemented. As it comes from the "European Law Monitor" I think it probably approaches things pretty objectively, as the other articles there seem to confirm. I think it's worth reading now as it seems to be the blueprint followed by the ultra Brexiteers. Many of the claims identified there as untrue are now held, and repeated endlessly as fact, by those who support a "no deal" Brexit. As the "leave" campaign was masterminded by Cummings who is now masterminding the Johnson approach it isn't too hard to see the common thread. Whatever your view of the EU this kind of approach to informing the people needs to be condemned. Employing a propagandist to mislead is resonant of the 1930s. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (04 Oct 2019 1.07pm)
17.4 million people voted to LEAVE - Get over it ! Edited by Willo (04 Oct 2019 2.03pm)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 04 Oct 19 2.00pm |
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There is some big fat bloke with straw hair lying in a ditch......
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| Midlands Eagle 04 Oct 19 2.03pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No mention there of George Osborne's statement that if the leavers won the vote the economy would collapse straight away and he would have to have an emergency budget
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| Midlands Eagle 04 Oct 19 2.04pm |
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Well get up you lazy git
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Oct 19 2.05pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
No mention there of George Osborne's statement that if the leavers won the vote the economy would collapse straight away and he would have to have an emergency budget Hear Hear! A forensic examination of the remainer propaganda failed to reveal any such "Collapse".
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| Teddy Eagle 04 Oct 19 2.17pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
17.4 million people voted to LEAVE - Get over it ! Edited by Willo (04 Oct 2019 2.03pm) An unexpectedly strident post. Is the end of the Willo tether being reached?
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