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 steeleye20  Croydon 17 Oct 19 7.41pm |
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EU leaves door open to Brexit extension, in blow to Boris Johnson. Member states decline to follow Jean-Claude Juncker, who ‘ruled out’ further delay.....
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| W12 17 Oct 19 7.49pm | |
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Originally posted by dollardays
There's definitely plenty of opposition. I do wonder if brexit debate fatigue will set in though, and it might just get over the line. I always figured that the potential solution would be one that nobody was entirely over the moon about, and that seems to sum this up. It doesn’t work as Brexit. This whole bollox about a deal is entirely just that. There is only one way we will leave in any meaningful way now and everyone knows it.
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| chris123 hove actually 17 Oct 19 9.11pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Apparently the FT are predicting Boris is short by 3 votes. If it's that close I expect the whips will be getting out the thumbscrews and the negatives. The thinking is, I believe that the DUP will really struggle with this, so if Labour are whipped it's difficult to see where the votes are.
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cryrst  The garden of England 17 Oct 19 9.24pm |
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The backstop.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 17 Oct 19 9.35pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There isn't my truth or your truth. There is just truth. "Populist" is a term applied to both left and right leaning politicians by observers whose own political views are also mixed. It isn't "wrong by definition". It just is. It is a style of politics which has become more apparent in recent years which, in my view, is an unhealthy development driven by the ability of certain politicians to use modern media to reach the people directly without the filter of objective analysis by informed observers. Thus facts become distorted and lies become truths. Piffle. The great unwashed have been trusted to vote in elections based on a wide range of issues while being told a wide range of lies and suddenly in 2016 they are too uninformed to vote in a referendum on a future that not a single expert could predict with any certainty? Just shut up. You talk utter bollocks.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 17 Oct 19 9.41pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
The thinking is, I believe that the DUP will really struggle with this, so if Labour are whipped it's difficult to see where the votes are. Yup fair point but as I said earlier Labour has about 25 MPs who could lose their seats in a GE that is probably weeks away. Will they obey Corbyn and go down with the ship or will they think this is an opportunity to defy Corbyn and try and bring him down.
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| chris123 hove actually 17 Oct 19 9.44pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Yup fair point but as I said earlier Labour has about 25 MPs who could lose their seats in a GE that is probably weeks away. Will they obey Corbyn and go down with the ship or will they think this is an opportunity to defy Corbyn and try and bring him down. The fallout will be interesting too!
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| dannyboy1978 17 Oct 19 9.44pm |
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It's interesting looking at the original pages on this thread, don't recognise any names either!!
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 17 Oct 19 9.51pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Here we go again Yep - which is why I said ‘others’ That would be their ultimate comeuppance but can’t see it happening. Tusks confirmation more or less seals the extension card being played, as unpalatable as it may seem.
Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons. |
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I do understand why and my post above shows I do not think it will go through. Funny if Parliament reject it and the EU will not extend | Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Oct 19 9.56pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Someone else getting touchy? Touchy? No. Tired of trying to be patient and kind, yes. Have you read the nonsense that comes from this guy? Wild conspiracy theories that he cannot substantiate alongside attempts at diversion by insult.
For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally. |
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| cryrst The garden of England 17 Oct 19 10.00pm |
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Originally posted by Canterbury Palace
I will definitely be voting for us to regain our sovereignty. Unfortunately the odds currently suggest that there is a 75% chance we will stay. Just saw on page 1 on 20th June 16
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| cryrst The garden of England 17 Oct 19 10.00pm |
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Sorry Feb 16
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| DanH SW2 17 Oct 19 10.01pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
The backstop. Have you read the new deal?
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cardiff eagle  17 Oct 19 10.10pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Have you read the new deal? What are your thoughts on it as you’ve read it? If you were an MP would you back it? Is it better than Mays deal? The EU have said it’s this or no deal which is interesting.
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tome  Inner Tantalus Time. 17 Oct 19 10.13pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Piffle. The great unwashed have been trusted to vote in elections based on a wide range of issues while being told a wide range of lies and suddenly in 2016 they are too uninformed to vote in a referendum on a future that not a single expert could predict with any certainty? Just shut up. You talk utter bollocks. If anyone should shut up it would be you - how does any of your response add to the debate? The point about populism is pretty fair I reckon. When was the last time such a complex issue was reduced to a 'yes' or 'no' answer with a good outcome?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Oct 19 10.20pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Piffle. The great unwashed have been trusted to vote in elections based on a wide range of issues while being told a wide range of lies and suddenly in 2016 they are too uninformed to vote in a referendum on a future that not a single expert could predict with any certainty? Just shut up. You talk utter bollocks. I don't know if you are being deliberately obtuse, along with being rude, or genuinely don't understand.
My point was about populism generally and not about the referendum in particular. It might have escaped your notice that the way we get our information these days is markedly different to the way we did even 10 years ago. You might think "so what", but it actually changes everything, as I pointed out and won't repeat. It's the primary reason why I don't believe in holding any referendums. I want us to choose who represents us and then let them do it. We make up our minds based on broad principles and general directions, so the impact of populism is somewhat more diluted in a GE though still very evident these days.
For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally. |
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| DanH SW2 17 Oct 19 10.21pm |
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Originally posted by cardiff eagle
What are your thoughts on it as you’ve read it? If you were an MP would you back it? Is it better than Mays deal? The EU have said it’s this or no deal which is interesting. There’s a lot more concessions but there’s been movement on the Irish issue. It’s workable but it’s still not the Brexit the hardcore or the remainers want. There’s not a lot of detail so the fun times start if/when it gets through Parliament. (I think this one will)
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| Midlands Eagle 18 Oct 19 6.22am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Two pieces of great news yesterday then. Boris manages to construct a half decent deal with the EU and Wisbech Eagle won't be commenting any more. I don't know which news gives me greater pleasure
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