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eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 19 Oct 19 6.42pm

Originally posted by W12

Pale ale spelling

Knob . . . or is it something else? -.-'

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

W12 19 Oct 19 7.15pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

Knob . . . or is it something else? -.-'

It’s called “you are a w***er”

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 Oct 19 9.14pm

Originally posted by the silurian

very obvious that MPs want brexit cancelled, at least wisbech will be happy!!

I don't think that's true. Some do, but they always have.

It's interesting that Letwin himself has said he will vote for this deal so I suspect a majority actually exists in favour of it.

What is true is that Parliament doesn't trust Johnson and those advising him. They want to scrutinise the deal and make sure that no tricks are played. They may well amend the necessary legislation to ensure that isn't done. Time alone will tell.

You can hardly blame Parliament for that! Johnson has previous doesn't he? In trying to sideline them during the unlawful prorogation he destroyed any remaining trust.

 


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the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 19 Oct 19 9.23pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't think that's true. Some do, but they always have.

It's interesting that Letwin himself has said he will vote for this deal so I suspect a majority actually exists in favour of it.

What is true is that Parliament doesn't trust Johnson and those advising him. They want to scrutinise the deal and make sure that no tricks are played. They may well amend the necessary legislation to ensure that isn't done. Time alone will tell.

You can hardly blame Parliament for that! Johnson has previous doesn't he? In trying to sideline them during the unlawful prorogation he destroyed any remaining trust.

didnt letwin put up the Brexit wrecking amendment?? Doesnt want brexit and i suspect it will end up being cancelled after anothr non binding referendum.....I will not vote as the stinking MPs will only ignore the result as they have with the previous referendum...all MPs are bent corrupt and only in it for themselves and their EU future jobs and pensions..eg the whole lying corrupt Kinnock family...you wanna call Johnson a liar, then play fair and refer to all the scum MPS as liars too

Edited by the silurian (19 Oct 2019 9.24pm)

 

silvertop Flag Portishead 19 Oct 19 9.44pm

Originally posted by dynamicdick

The Country has been let down again by these self serving idiots who voted for the Letwin amendment. Boris Johnson is the only o e actually fighting for the 17.4million. There is a lot more to come and at the end of the day to get this deal agreed by Parliament. As for the thousands of t***s who demonstrated accept that Brexit will happen so spend your time supporting it.

Isn't the leave side currently led by the most self serving idiot in modern British political history?

 

silvertop Flag Portishead 19 Oct 19 9.49pm

Originally posted by W12

“Parliamentary Sovereignty”

It’s now a bit like that diplomatic immunity apparently ie. an excuse for absolutely anything

I recall one of the rallying chants of leavers was to restore parliamentary sovereignty. Not remotely surprised that leavers fail to see the irony in their schemes being undone by... err... parliamentary sovereignty.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 Oct 19 10.09pm

Originally posted by Matov

Indeed it did. And Johnson has now said he will not go back to the EU an ask for an extension. There is no backing down from that.

How can Parliament have confidence in a PM that refuses to listen to it?

He’s got round that by sending the letter but not signing it. Dominic Cummings probably had some input there. I don’t blame Boris for that, especially when you have pathetic MPs on tv claiming Boris will have to do this or that when he’s having to do whatever because of them, not because he’s forgotten to have a report ready for a meeting.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (19 Oct 2019 10.28pm)

 


COYP

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 Oct 19 10.22pm

Originally posted by silvertop

I recall one of the rallying chants of leavers was to restore parliamentary sovereignty. Not remotely surprised that leavers fail to see the irony in their schemes being undone by... err... parliamentary sovereignty.

Yes we’ll i think a lot of them like having less decisions and responsibilities as MPs.

 


COYP

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 Oct 19 10.32pm

Originally posted by the silurian

didnt letwin put up the Brexit wrecking amendment?? Doesnt want brexit and i suspect it will end up being cancelled after anothr non binding referendum.....I will not vote as the stinking MPs will only ignore the result as they have with the previous referendum...all MPs are bent corrupt and only in it for themselves and their EU future jobs and pensions..eg the whole lying corrupt Kinnock family...you wanna call Johnson a liar, then play fair and refer to all the scum MPS as liars too

Edited by the silurian (19 Oct 2019 9.24pm)

It was Letwin's amendment but it wasn't intended to "wreck" it at all. That's just the way the ultra leavers want to present it. The purpose is to ensure it is scrutinised and amend it if needed to ensure that Johnson's assurances are written into law.

It will pass. Be patient.


Edited by Wisbech Eagle (19 Oct 2019 10.32pm)

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 19 Oct 19 10.43pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It was Letwin's amendment but it wasn't intended to "wreck" it at all. That's just the way the ultra leavers want to present it. The purpose is to ensure it is scrutinised and amend it if needed to ensure that Johnson's assurances are written into law.

It will pass. Be patient.


Edited by Wisbech Eagle (19 Oct 2019 10.32pm)

How can the EU agreement be amended without the EU having an input.
Just a question really.
It's taken 88 days to get this far.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 Oct 19 10.52pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

He’s got round that by sending the letter but not signing it. Dominic Cummings probably had some input there. I don’t blame Boris for that, especially when you have pathetic MPs on tv claiming Boris will have to do this or that when he’s having to do whatever because of them, not because he’s forgotten to have a report ready for a meeting.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (19 Oct 2019 10.28pm)

That will be challenged in Court for sure and elevated to the Supreme Court very swiftly.

There are two important things which I suspect will come into focus now.

The first are the promises that were given by the government to the Court in Scotland about sending the letter and the request that should they fail to do so that the Court should do so on their behalf.

The second is that Judges don't only reach conclusions on the letter of the law but on the intentions which lie behind it.

Johnson trying to thwart the will of Parliament in this way just shows that their distrust of him is totally justified and ought to be condemned by everyone, whatever their personal preference about Brexit might be. It's unconscionable behaviour.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 Oct 19 11.03pm

Originally posted by cryrst

How can the EU agreement be amended without the EU having an input.
Just a question really.
It's taken 88 days to get this far.

It's not a EU agreement.

It's our agreement with the EU which needs to be established in UK law. That will be complicated and time consuming and definitely needs to be scrutinised.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 20 Oct 19 7.21am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Parliament has just said 'we don't trust you'.

My complaint would actually be against the 306 MPs who voted against Letwin.


Why can't they face scrutiny, or the people on brexit.

So why won't they go to the polls? Labour obviously running scared. Thought they faced the people on Brexit in 2016 but, of course, I may be wrong

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Oct 19 7.46am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That will be challenged in Court for sure and elevated to the Supreme Court very swiftly.

There are two important things which I suspect will come into focus now.

The first are the promises that were given by the government to the Court in Scotland about sending the letter and the request that should they fail to do so that the Court should do so on their behalf.

The second is that Judges don't only reach conclusions on the letter of the law but on the intentions which lie behind it.

Johnson trying to thwart the will of Parliament in this way just shows that their distrust of him is totally justified and ought to be condemned by everyone, whatever their personal preference about Brexit might be. It's unconscionable behaviour.

Parliament forcing the PM to do something he didn't want to do. I can't imagine any politician being happy or gracious with that scenario.

I said yesterday my feeling was that the EU would sit on the letter and the papers seem to agree. The EU actually wants this deal so they are going to give Boris as much time as possible to get it over the line. Besides there is always the possibility that one of the countries e.g. France has had enough so better to be passive for now and hope the problem goes away.

The Remainers will complain about how he has done it (unsigned) but I doubt a court will want to take it any further. Last night Donald Tusk acknowledged receipt of the letter and confirmed he understands the request for an extension. When all is said and done that's all the Benn act is about the rest is politics.

On Monday Boris will try to bring his motion again assuming that Bercow allows him. The real surprise for me was the margin of defeat I thought it would be much closer. Boris has his hands full the number of Labour rebels was a lot smaller than predicted and the DUP are holding firm.

Still all to play for.

 


One more point

cryrst Flag The garden of England 20 Oct 19 8.46am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's not a EU agreement.

It's our agreement with the EU which needs to be established in UK law. That will be complicated and time consuming and definitely needs to be scrutinised.

How can that possibly be known to the letter.
There are at least 15 months of negotiations from this deal being approved.
What can be assured in legal terms which would make it acceptable?
Everything is an unknown.

 

the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 20 Oct 19 9.03am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It was Letwin's amendment but it wasn't intended to "wreck" it at all. That's just the way the ultra leavers want to present it. The purpose is to ensure it is scrutinised and amend it if needed to ensure that Johnson's assurances are written into law.

It will pass. Be patient.


Edited by Wisbech Eagle (19 Oct 2019 10.32pm)

It was a wrecking agreement, all the media are saying so.....hope the Traitorous Letwin tosser is removed at he next GE, although I will NEVER vote in any election again...what will your labour party do if they lose, complain and ask for another as its not legally binding? All MPs are devious lying self serving tossers and deserve no respect from anyone

 

chris123 Flag hove actually 20 Oct 19 9.12am

Originally posted by the silurian

It was a wrecking agreement, all the media are saying so.....hope the Traitorous Letwin tosser is removed at he next GE, although I will NEVER vote in any election again...what will your labour party do if they lose, complain and ask for another as its not legally binding? All MPs are devious lying self serving tossers and deserve no respect from anyone

Not standing I believe - makes it worse.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Oct 19 9.26am

Andrew Pearce reckons Boris has the votes I am not sure how he arrived at that conclusion but certainly a number of MPS who voted for Letwin have since said they will vote for the deal.

This all comes down to whether Bercow will allow the motion to be put. A fair minded speaker would acknowledge that the government never actually put their motion to the house and so would allow it, a fair minded speaker that is.

Parliament has an odd way of working yesterday the government wanted the house to vote on a motion Letwin effectively said no you don't want to vote on that vote on this one instead.

PLCs have shareholder meetings all the time. The board puts a motion to award the directors a massive bonus. Rebel shareholders put down a motion to sack the board both motions are voted on. That seems a fairer way of doing it rather than changing somebody else's motion. Yet Another reason to review how Parliament works in its arcane ways.

Edited by Badger11 (20 Oct 2019 9.27am)

 


One more point

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 20 Oct 19 9.30am

Originally posted by Badger11

Andrew Pearce reckons Boris has the votes I am not sure how he arrived at that conclusion but certainly a number of MPS who voted for Letwin have since said they will vote for the deal.

This all comes down to whether Bercow will allow the motion to be put. A fair minded speaker would acknowledge that the government never actually put their motion to the house and so would allow it, a fair minded speaker that is.

Parliament has an odd way of working yesterday the government wanted the house to vote on a motion Letwin effectively said no you don't want to vote on that vote on this one instead.

PLCs have shareholder meetings all the time. The board puts a motion to award the directors a massive bonus. Rebel shareholders put down a motion to sack the board both motions are voted on. That seems a fairer way of doing it rather than changing somebody else's motion. Yet Another reason to review how Parliament works in its arcane ways.

Edited by Badger11 (20 Oct 2019 9.27am)

It's quite clear that parliament will not give its approval until all the necessary legislation has been passed.

 

the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 20 Oct 19 9.40am

Originally posted by chris123

Not standing I believe - makes it worse.

so hes a coward as well as a s***house then?

 

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