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Originally posted by W12
Pale ale spelling Knob . . . or is it something else?
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Originally posted by eagleman13
Knob . . . or is it something else? It’s called “you are a w***er”
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Originally posted by the silurian
very obvious that MPs want brexit cancelled, at least wisbech will be happy!! I don't think that's true. Some do, but they always have. It's interesting that Letwin himself has said he will vote for this deal so I suspect a majority actually exists in favour of it. What is true is that Parliament doesn't trust Johnson and those advising him. They want to scrutinise the deal and make sure that no tricks are played. They may well amend the necessary legislation to ensure that isn't done. Time alone will tell. You can hardly blame Parliament for that! Johnson has previous doesn't he? In trying to sideline them during the unlawful prorogation he destroyed any remaining trust.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't think that's true. Some do, but they always have. It's interesting that Letwin himself has said he will vote for this deal so I suspect a majority actually exists in favour of it. What is true is that Parliament doesn't trust Johnson and those advising him. They want to scrutinise the deal and make sure that no tricks are played. They may well amend the necessary legislation to ensure that isn't done. Time alone will tell. You can hardly blame Parliament for that! Johnson has previous doesn't he? In trying to sideline them during the unlawful prorogation he destroyed any remaining trust. didnt letwin put up the Brexit wrecking amendment?? Doesnt want brexit and i suspect it will end up being cancelled after anothr non binding referendum.....I will not vote as the stinking MPs will only ignore the result as they have with the previous referendum...all MPs are bent corrupt and only in it for themselves and their EU future jobs and pensions..eg the whole lying corrupt Kinnock family...you wanna call Johnson a liar, then play fair and refer to all the scum MPS as liars too Edited by the silurian (19 Oct 2019 9.24pm)
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Originally posted by dynamicdick
The Country has been let down again by these self serving idiots who voted for the Letwin amendment. Boris Johnson is the only o e actually fighting for the 17.4million. There is a lot more to come and at the end of the day to get this deal agreed by Parliament. As for the thousands of t***s who demonstrated accept that Brexit will happen so spend your time supporting it. Isn't the leave side currently led by the most self serving idiot in modern British political history?
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Originally posted by W12
“Parliamentary Sovereignty” It’s now a bit like that diplomatic immunity apparently ie. an excuse for absolutely anything I recall one of the rallying chants of leavers was to restore parliamentary sovereignty. Not remotely surprised that leavers fail to see the irony in their schemes being undone by... err... parliamentary sovereignty.
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Originally posted by Matov
Indeed it did. And Johnson has now said he will not go back to the EU an ask for an extension. There is no backing down from that. How can Parliament have confidence in a PM that refuses to listen to it? He’s got round that by sending the letter but not signing it. Dominic Cummings probably had some input there. I don’t blame Boris for that, especially when you have pathetic MPs on tv claiming Boris will have to do this or that when he’s having to do whatever because of them, not because he’s forgotten to have a report ready for a meeting. Edited by Rudi Hedman (19 Oct 2019 10.28pm)
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Originally posted by silvertop
I recall one of the rallying chants of leavers was to restore parliamentary sovereignty. Not remotely surprised that leavers fail to see the irony in their schemes being undone by... err... parliamentary sovereignty. Yes we’ll i think a lot of them like having less decisions and responsibilities as MPs.
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Originally posted by the silurian
didnt letwin put up the Brexit wrecking amendment?? Doesnt want brexit and i suspect it will end up being cancelled after anothr non binding referendum.....I will not vote as the stinking MPs will only ignore the result as they have with the previous referendum...all MPs are bent corrupt and only in it for themselves and their EU future jobs and pensions..eg the whole lying corrupt Kinnock family...you wanna call Johnson a liar, then play fair and refer to all the scum MPS as liars too Edited by the silurian (19 Oct 2019 9.24pm) It was Letwin's amendment but it wasn't intended to "wreck" it at all. That's just the way the ultra leavers want to present it. The purpose is to ensure it is scrutinised and amend it if needed to ensure that Johnson's assurances are written into law. It will pass. Be patient.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It was Letwin's amendment but it wasn't intended to "wreck" it at all. That's just the way the ultra leavers want to present it. The purpose is to ensure it is scrutinised and amend it if needed to ensure that Johnson's assurances are written into law. It will pass. Be patient.
How can the EU agreement be amended without the EU having an input.
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
He’s got round that by sending the letter but not signing it. Dominic Cummings probably had some input there. I don’t blame Boris for that, especially when you have pathetic MPs on tv claiming Boris will have to do this or that when he’s having to do whatever because of them, not because he’s forgotten to have a report ready for a meeting. Edited by Rudi Hedman (19 Oct 2019 10.28pm) That will be challenged in Court for sure and elevated to the Supreme Court very swiftly. There are two important things which I suspect will come into focus now. The first are the promises that were given by the government to the Court in Scotland about sending the letter and the request that should they fail to do so that the Court should do so on their behalf. The second is that Judges don't only reach conclusions on the letter of the law but on the intentions which lie behind it. Johnson trying to thwart the will of Parliament in this way just shows that their distrust of him is totally justified and ought to be condemned by everyone, whatever their personal preference about Brexit might be. It's unconscionable behaviour.
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Originally posted by cryrst
How can the EU agreement be amended without the EU having an input. It's not a EU agreement. It's our agreement with the EU which needs to be established in UK law. That will be complicated and time consuming and definitely needs to be scrutinised.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Parliament has just said 'we don't trust you'. My complaint would actually be against the 306 MPs who voted against Letwin. So why won't they go to the polls? Labour obviously running scared. Thought they faced the people on Brexit in 2016 but, of course, I may be wrong
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That will be challenged in Court for sure and elevated to the Supreme Court very swiftly. There are two important things which I suspect will come into focus now. The first are the promises that were given by the government to the Court in Scotland about sending the letter and the request that should they fail to do so that the Court should do so on their behalf. The second is that Judges don't only reach conclusions on the letter of the law but on the intentions which lie behind it. Johnson trying to thwart the will of Parliament in this way just shows that their distrust of him is totally justified and ought to be condemned by everyone, whatever their personal preference about Brexit might be. It's unconscionable behaviour. Parliament forcing the PM to do something he didn't want to do. I can't imagine any politician being happy or gracious with that scenario. I said yesterday my feeling was that the EU would sit on the letter and the papers seem to agree. The EU actually wants this deal so they are going to give Boris as much time as possible to get it over the line. Besides there is always the possibility that one of the countries e.g. France has had enough so better to be passive for now and hope the problem goes away. The Remainers will complain about how he has done it (unsigned) but I doubt a court will want to take it any further. Last night Donald Tusk acknowledged receipt of the letter and confirmed he understands the request for an extension. When all is said and done that's all the Benn act is about the rest is politics. On Monday Boris will try to bring his motion again assuming that Bercow allows him. The real surprise for me was the margin of defeat I thought it would be much closer. Boris has his hands full the number of Labour rebels was a lot smaller than predicted and the DUP are holding firm. Still all to play for.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's not a EU agreement. It's our agreement with the EU which needs to be established in UK law. That will be complicated and time consuming and definitely needs to be scrutinised. How can that possibly be known to the letter.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It was Letwin's amendment but it wasn't intended to "wreck" it at all. That's just the way the ultra leavers want to present it. The purpose is to ensure it is scrutinised and amend it if needed to ensure that Johnson's assurances are written into law. It will pass. Be patient.
It was a wrecking agreement, all the media are saying so.....hope the Traitorous Letwin tosser is removed at he next GE, although I will NEVER vote in any election again...what will your labour party do if they lose, complain and ask for another as its not legally binding? All MPs are devious lying self serving tossers and deserve no respect from anyone
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Originally posted by the silurian
It was a wrecking agreement, all the media are saying so.....hope the Traitorous Letwin tosser is removed at he next GE, although I will NEVER vote in any election again...what will your labour party do if they lose, complain and ask for another as its not legally binding? All MPs are devious lying self serving tossers and deserve no respect from anyone Not standing I believe - makes it worse.
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Originally posted by Badger11
Andrew Pearce reckons Boris has the votes I am not sure how he arrived at that conclusion but certainly a number of MPS who voted for Letwin have since said they will vote for the deal. This all comes down to whether Bercow will allow the motion to be put. A fair minded speaker would acknowledge that the government never actually put their motion to the house and so would allow it, a fair minded speaker that is. Parliament has an odd way of working yesterday the government wanted the house to vote on a motion Letwin effectively said no you don't want to vote on that vote on this one instead. PLCs have shareholder meetings all the time. The board puts a motion to award the directors a massive bonus. Rebel shareholders put down a motion to sack the board both motions are voted on. That seems a fairer way of doing it rather than changing somebody else's motion. Yet Another reason to review how Parliament works in its arcane ways. Edited by Badger11 (20 Oct 2019 9.27am) It's quite clear that parliament will not give its approval until all the necessary legislation has been passed.
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Originally posted by chris123
Not standing I believe - makes it worse. so hes a coward as well as a s***house then?
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