Just "remembered" you get Guido Fawkes' Night soon. They brought back torture for him. And the old drawn and quartered with a few tasty extras. Perhaps not fully religious, although that is how it is viewed in Ireland. Definitely that is how it was viewed by Fawkes. A religious extremist of the time, not even that long ago really. Joe Biden was probably there.
I used to love Bonfire Night with the display at one of the schools or the park or something. Can't remember where Wisbech's display was. I remember some park by the Leisure Centre and Grammar school but don't think it was there. A few pints still to be had, I hope. But there's no way we think of it in any way related to religious extremism, do we? Perhaps I'm wrong.

Red and Blue Army!

Mainey says that, 'Normal rank and file Muslims are not ideologically aligned with ISIS.'

In think that in the main that's correct, only a minority of Muslims in the west want actual ISIS. However it would be wrong to suggest that a majority wouldn't want a ruling Islamic state...say similar to Turkey that had better economics.

It's also an observation that more Muslims joined ISIS than have joined the British Army....the numbers aren't even close.

It's also correct to observe that the majority of Muslims in the west have a far greater pull towards their identity as not western.

When terrorist attacks happen the Islamic community revert to the 'them and us' mindset and it tends to be difficult to gain information.

I'm of the view that only selected denominations of Islam should be allowed into the west.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

An act of parliament was passed in 1606 ‘The Observance of 5th November Act 1605’ requiring churches to hold a service of thanksgiving for the country’s deliverance from the gunpowder plot. After 1688, the services included thanksgiving for the landing of William of Orange in England on 5 November 1688. The bonfires generally burnt effigies of the Pope more than Guy Fawkes. The 5th of November celebrations were very much anti-Catholic. The observance act was repealed in 1859.

It is NOT a fact that we have Islamic terrorism in this country because we have a "significant number" of Muslims. That is far too simplistic an assertion.

The Jews weren't causing problems, but still got scapegoated. Muslims aren't causing problems now. Radical elements, committing criminal acts are.

You don't want to persecute ALL Muslims, when your whole approach does just that. I want to draw a distinct, heavy demarcation line between the law-abiding and the radical criminals. Treating them any other way delivers the precise opposite of what is needed. To close our doors to refugees from countries you fear may deliver us terrorists would create more problems than it solves. We would break international agreements. Condemn the innocent to lives of misery, and worse. Build pockets of unhappy, resentful people and send them into the waiting arms of the radicals. Yours is a "Trump wall" solution, and not one that can work. There are no easy answers. It needs patience, time and determination.

This has nothing to do with Brexit, which I haven't mentioned, so why do you? Nor am I defending Islam! I have no time for ANY religion, and even less for those radicalised by one. I judge on behaviour alone, and not by what anyone believes.

You say the Islamic faith has no place in our country AND that Muslims should not be hated. What better example is there of hatred than telling a person that their faith isn't welcome here?
Fundamentalism is indeed the problem, but you seem incapable of separating it and want all Muslims to be tried in the court of public opinion. In so doing, you are only adding to the problems.
I don't want to see any killings by anyone, for any reason, including religious or political. Protecting our society is the task of the police and security forces, who do an outstanding job, but sometimes fail. Supporting them and, very importantly, making sure all our communities do so and are not made to feel unwelcome outcasts, is the best way forward. One you seem hell-bent on opposing.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

do the men in those countries call Western men a 'bunch of cucks' ?

in Eastern Europe its all about Fertility & family values.

In the West, its all about money, open-borders & tolerant Political Correctness, LGBTq , pro choice, multiculti .

The Catholic Sir David Amess would never have got murdered in Budapest or Krakow. AND he would have liked the prevailing ideology.

RiP

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (18 Oct 2021 12.27pm)