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  Hrolf The Ganger  22 Oct 19 10.53pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I watched the last 30 mins of the debate, the votes and the hour or so afterwards. I was not surprised at the results and quite impressed at what seemed like genuine attempts to find compromises so there could be a way forward. Bercow was outstanding and explained why Johnson had no option under Parliamentary rules other than to take the action he did. It seems that the government is now much more open to sensible amendments which reassure those worried about certain aspects of it. For instance it committed to giving Parliament the right to be involved in whether more time will be needed at the end of next year to conclude a free trade agreement, thus removing the threat of a crash out then. Until we know how long an extension is offered (and yes I am pretty sure that one will be offered) what happens next is unknown. I have some theories but will keep them to myself for the moment. Finally. Proof that you are a Labourite. No one else uses that stupid phrase.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Oct 19 11.12pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Finally. Proof that you are a Labourite. No one else uses that stupid phrase. You have met one now. I am not a supporter of the Labour Party, especially under Corbyn. "Crash out" is far from stupid. It sums up the effect of leaving in a disorderly way pretty neatly. At least for most open minded people.
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| Midlands Eagle 23 Oct 19 6.36am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I see that you have managed to include an insult about those that don't think your way yet again
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 23 Oct 19 8.19am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I see that you have managed to include an insult about those that don't think your way yet again as always, but then he is a superior intellect to everyone on here(in hos own mind) , barrack room lawyer, 100% labour loving remainer....insult after insult usually 'people like you'.....never considers that other people have an opinion because he is ALWAYS right and they are ALWAYS wrong...
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| DanH SW2 23 Oct 19 8.26am |
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Originally posted by the silurian
as always, but then he is a superior intellect to everyone on here(in hos own mind) , barrack room lawyer, 100% labour loving remainer....insult after insult usually 'people like you'.....never considers that other people have an opinion because he is ALWAYS right and they are ALWAYS wrong... WE takes a lot more smears and abuse than he gives. I’m surprised he still has the patience to be honest.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 23 Oct 19 8.37am |
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Exit brexit, pursued by a bear...... Some more sabre-rattling but mostly hot air. Under Johnson's deal you may as well move your office to Brussels.
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| YT Oxford 23 Oct 19 8.47am |
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Originally posted by DanH
This is an important article from Peter Oborne. You can see multiple examples on this thread of people that have been sold by the ‘information’ being leaked from Number 10 and being printed unchallenged by the press, and swallowed by the general public. Of course, such activity never happened under the last Labour government, did it?
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| Midlands Eagle 23 Oct 19 8.53am |
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Originally posted by DanH
This is an important article from Peter Oborne. You can see multiple examples on this thread of people that have been sold by the ‘information’ being leaked from Number 10 and being printed unchallenged by the press, and swallowed by the general public. An interesting article indeed and I suppose that it's all part of the times that we live in although I'm not sure that your comment that it's all swallowed by the general public is true. There are a number of times when Boris has got something wrong and the journal that you linked to as well as lefties on HOL refer to those instances as lies yet when Diane Abbot gets something wrong it's never lies but stupidity or some such other epithet
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| steeleye20 Croydon 23 Oct 19 9.01am |
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If it happens the tory election manifesto should be the shortest document ever recorded. Pages 1-99 will read 'Corbyn is a marxist'
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| Badger11 Beckenham 23 Oct 19 9.06am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
If it happens the tory election manifesto should be the shortest document ever recorded. Pages 1-99 will read 'Corbyn is a marxist'
And Labour's will also be 99 pages trying to explain to the voters what their position on Brexit is beyond opposing a Tory deal. Good luck with that.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Oct 19 9.11am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
It appears that Johnson is now going for a 3 month extension and a GE. Ken Clarke asked the government to continue with the bill whilst they sorted out the timetable. Whilst this seems reasonable on reflection I think Johnson is right to suspend it. Even when agreement is reached over a new timetable those who oppose the bill will just find further excuses to delay or alter it as it went through the house. Yesterday's vote for the bill was actually a clever tactic by Remainers. They can now say to the voters that they supported the bill in principle. The reality is that the key vote was the timetable and that shows the actual feeling of the house. Johnson has concluded rightly I think that this Parliament will agree nothing. Time for a GE the public can then back the party they feel closest to their view on Brexit. MPs have taken the electorate for buffoons and made our nation the laughing stock abroad. Remainer/opposition MPs somewhat peeved that Johnson actually agreed a deal with the EU almost instantly moved the goalposts and determined to force him into a delay passed an amendment to prevent him from meeting the 19th October deadline.The reason was purely to thwart Brexit and they should be ashamed of themselves. MPs voted for a second reading of the WAB but it is as plain as the 'Aurora Borealis' that the remainers would have raised amendment after amendment and it would appear that Johnson has decided that any extension to the timetable would be worthless.He will call for a General Election but of course needs 2/3 of MPs to agree - we will see if Labour try to thwart this as well after repeatedly calling for a GE. Edited by Willo (23 Oct 2019 9.18am)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Oct 19 9.23am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I see that you have managed to include an insult about those that don't think your way yet again Not at all. You are seeing insults where they don't exist, which is interesting of itself. I am sure that many who don't think the same way as me can be opened minded on many subjects, and would have no concerns about semantics, like the use of particular terms.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 23 Oct 19 9.33am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not at all. You are seeing insults where they don't exist, which is interesting of itself. I am sure that many who don't think the same way as me can be opened minded on many subjects, and would have no concerns about semantics, like the use of particular terms. WE you have cornered the market in HOL insults, I hardly get any these days. I must be doing something wrong....
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Oct 19 9.34am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not at all. You are seeing insults where they don't exist, which is interesting of itself. I am sure that many who don't think the same way as me can be opened minded on many subjects, and would have no concerns about semantics, like the use of particular terms. I once read a quote along the lines that one should not conclude that minds are either closed or open and that the best minds are closed by openable windows.Or something like that ! I believe using such terminolgy, many have concluded outside of HOL, and perhaps inside it a well,that my windows are closed and that the keys have been discarded !
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Oct 19 9.47am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
It appears that Johnson is now going for a 3 month extension and a GE. Ken Clarke asked the government to continue with the bill whilst they sorted out the timetable. Whilst this seems reasonable on reflection I think Johnson is right to suspend it. Even when agreement is reached over a new timetable those who oppose the bill will just find further excuses to delay or alter it as it went through the house. Yesterday's vote for the bill was actually a clever tactic by Remainers. They can now say to the voters that they supported the bill in principle. The reality is that the key vote was the timetable and that shows the actual feeling of the house. Johnson has concluded rightly I think that this Parliament will agree nothing. Time for a GE the public can then back the party they feel closest to their view on Brexit. I think your conclusion is right. I have thought for quite a while now, well before this "deal" was finalised, that what was happening was really just electioneering and positioning ready for a GE. All sides are doing it. Johnson will present himself as a martyr to the cause, as a hero who managed to get a deal but was stopped from doing it by a recalcitrant Parliament. How many Brexit Party sympathisers will now vote Tory is critical but unclear to someone like me Labour are in a huge mess and have no cohesive plan to get anywhere unless they dump Corbyn and regroup quickly. The LibDems will do well with those who want to remain. The SNP will sweep the floor in Scotland. There are obviously a range of outcomes dependent on events as yet unknown. A hung Parliament and a coalition looks the most likely one, but where the balance will be is a puzzle. It really is all to play for.
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| Midlands Eagle 23 Oct 19 9.47am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
See, you've done it again
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 23 Oct 19 9.50am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
If it happens the tory election manifesto should be the shortest document ever recorded. Pages 1-99 will read 'Corbyn is a marxist'
Interesting to read that because the GE would have to be cleared like a bill, it is subject to amendments from MPs. One of those amendments could be a proposal to change the legal voting age to 16
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