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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 10 Feb 20 10.53am

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Hotel California syndrome.

Such a lovely place!

Interesting article.The German people won't take it seriously until they see the financials relating to their additional contribution to the pot now we have left. I think it will3 or 4 years to sink in.

 

DANGERCLOSE Flag London 10 Feb 20 1.19pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

More good news about services.

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Nice 1

 

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 10 Feb 20 3.11pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Such a lovely place!

Interesting article.The German people won't take it seriously until they see the financials relating to their additional contribution to the pot now we have left. I think it will3 or 4 years to sink in.

Plenty of Germans I have spoken to have already been fed up with subsidising everyone else. Many people lost money from their own pensions and savings due to the bailouts. They believed that this was due to the mismanagement of other governments across Europe. However, they can never leave. They are the EU.

 


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mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 11 Feb 20 3.10pm

Interesting article from Bloomberg on why Germany have most to lose from the UK leaving

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Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 11 Feb 20 3.18pm

Another article from Bloomberg today on why it's all falling apart for the Single Currency


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Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

Stirlingsays Flag 11 Feb 20 4.08pm

I'll just leave this here.

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Matov Flag 11 Feb 20 4.51pm

Originally posted by mezzer

Another article from Bloomberg today on why it's all falling apart for the Single Currency


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It is interesting BUT if you accept the basic premise that the entire single currency project is dependent on a strong German export market then the Euro weakening is what they want.

And that is the catch 22 and why it is ultimately destructive. To keep it weak the southern European economies cannot be allowed to flourish. Greece, Italy, Spain are effectively locked in to a fiscal policy that means they are simply unable to stimulate their own economy's with the fiscal measures undertaken to by the ECB to print off billions of Euro's purely done to enable French and German banks to survive given they hold most of the bonds.

This notion of 'bailing' out Greece for example is nonsensical. All they did was create billions of Euros and hand them over to European banks who held the bonds thus preventing them from collapsing.

Italy is the one that will bring it down and why they all conspired to get rid of Salvini who is the real terror that keeps them awake at night. And he ain't gone away because he planned to effectively bring an Italian Euro into existence.

History will adjudge this single currency insanity to be the biggest peacetime disaster to befall Europe.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

W12 12 Feb 20 12.33pm

Listening to Prime Ministers question time just now and I don’t think any of them still get it. It’s all about who gets a slice of the cake and nothing about the real problems in this country.

 

W12 13 Feb 20 10.33am

Boris Johnson proving get again with his re-shuffle that he’s a fake Tory. I’m not sure who disgusts me more of the main political parties. Just different methods of national execution.

Edited by W12 (13 Feb 2020 10.33am)

 

Stirlingsays Flag 13 Feb 20 10.48am

Originally posted by W12

Boris Johnson proving get again with his re-shuffle that he’s a fake Tory. I’m not sure who disgusts me more of the main political parties. Just different methods of national execution.

Edited by W12 (13 Feb 2020 10.33am)

He's lied to his base.

We aren't getting what we voted for.

 


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.TUX. Flag 13 Feb 20 11.14am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

He's lied to his base.

We aren't getting what we voted for.

I'm surprised that you're surprised tbh.

 


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chris123 Flag hove actually 13 Feb 20 11.20am

Originally posted by Matov

It is interesting BUT if you accept the basic premise that the entire single currency project is dependent on a strong German export market then the Euro weakening is what they want.

And that is the catch 22 and why it is ultimately destructive. To keep it weak the southern European economies cannot be allowed to flourish. Greece, Italy, Spain are effectively locked in to a fiscal policy that means they are simply unable to stimulate their own economy's with the fiscal measures undertaken to by the ECB to print off billions of Euro's purely done to enable French and German banks to survive given they hold most of the bonds.

This notion of 'bailing' out Greece for example is nonsensical. All they did was create billions of Euros and hand them over to European banks who held the bonds thus preventing them from collapsing.

Italy is the one that will bring it down and why they all conspired to get rid of Salvini who is the real terror that keeps them awake at night. And he ain't gone away because he planned to effectively bring an Italian Euro into existence.

History will adjudge this single currency insanity to be the biggest peacetime disaster to befall Europe.

Greece is wreaked - debt to gdp around 200%.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 13 Feb 20 11.54am

Originally posted by .TUX.

I'm surprised that you're surprised tbh.

The only thing I'm surprised at is the gender quota stuff.....Another May isn't what we voted for... But I knew beforehand and disagreed with his immigration attitudes.

I'm ok with HS2 and agree with the noises about the civil service, BBC and freedom of speech and of course with the general Brexit approach so far....but noises and action are two different things.

However, he kept quiet on just how cozy he was to the left of the Tory party and that's is indeed lying to his base.

I think Boris might just find out that the real right don't forgive and don't forget.

If you vote right and you get left you might as well not bother.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Feb 2020 11.56am)

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 13 Feb 20 12.10pm

The Chancellor has resigned it was forced because he was asked to sack his team if he wanted to keep his job.

I not sure where this reshuffle is going and Boris may make a huge mistake however if you are PM you want your own team and if he can't do it now he never will.

Time will tell us if this was a good or bad reshuffle.

 


One more point

.TUX. Flag 13 Feb 20 12.28pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The only thing I'm surprised at is the gender quota stuff.....Another May isn't what we voted for... But I knew beforehand and disagreed with his immigration attitudes.

I'm ok with HS2 and agree with the noises about the civil service, BBC and freedom of speech and of course with the general Brexit approach so far....but noises and action are two different things.

However, he kept quiet on just how cozy he was to the left of the Tory party and that's is indeed lying to his base.

I think Boris might just find out that the real right don't forgive and don't forget.

If you vote right and you get left you might as well not bother.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Feb 2020 11.56am)

My stance for around 25yrs.

''If voting made a difference then they wouldn't let us do it'' fits the bill.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 13 Feb 20 12.34pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

My stance for around 25yrs.

''If voting made a difference then they wouldn't let us do it'' fits the bill.

Well voting took us out of the EU.

There's a side to politics that doesn't have to relate to economics and we need people who we can vote for that represent choices.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Feb 2020 12.37pm)

 


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.TUX. Flag 13 Feb 20 12.46pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well voting took us out of the EU.

There's a side to politics that doesn't have to relate to economics and we need people who we can vote for that represent choices.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Feb 2020 12.37pm)

100% agreed but whether we get them or not is another matter.
You'll go to your grave waiting imo.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 13 Feb 20 1.03pm

LBC James O'Brian having a meltdown over Javid resigning, "the power of Dominic Cummings etc".

In his world it doesn't occur to him that Cummings may just be doing his master's bidding.

Being PM is like being England Manager at some point it will end in failure. It makes sense to me then if you are PM better to go down in flames pursing your policies rather than a lifetime of regret. John Major has said he regrets a lot of the decisions he didn't make.

Javid has apparently been opposing Boris's spending plan so he had to go.

As for Cummings lot's of comments about unelected officials well isn't that the same as civil servants Sir Humphreys' wielded a lot of power in their day so I don't see the difference.

 


One more point

chris123 Flag hove actually 13 Feb 20 5.35pm

Originally posted by Badger11

LBC James O'Brian having a meltdown over Javid resigning, "the power of Dominic Cummings etc".

In his world it doesn't occur to him that Cummings may just be doing his master's bidding.

Being PM is like being England Manager at some point it will end in failure. It makes sense to me then if you are PM better to go down in flames pursing your policies rather than a lifetime of regret. John Major has said he regrets a lot of the decisions he didn't make.

Javid has apparently been opposing Boris's spending plan so he had to go.

As for Cummings lot's of comments about unelected officials well isn't that the same as civil servants Sir Humphreys' wielded a lot of power in their day so I don't see the difference.

I imagine Boris wants complete loyalty in terms of delivering his agenda. He's got a huge majority and probably doesn't want anymore No. 11 leaks. Julian Smith seems to have done a pretty good job in NI - in not much time and something that was beyond his predecessors.

 

DANGERCLOSE Flag London 13 Feb 20 9.08pm

Javid was remainer and now we have someone who believes in a WTO

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