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Stirlingsays 06 Feb 22 12.19pm
I can't really think of any reason Andrew has to meet Epstein unless it's to bed girls. There is the trafficked aspect and I don't think that should be waved aside. If it's overaged and consensual then my interest is far more on the cases that weren't. Personally while I think Andrew is seedy I'm not of the view that he's going to bed some unwilling partner, but did he know her age?....don't know. As has been said what's far more important is what the courts don't seem to be interested in......If all this gets pushed aside I despair. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2022 12.21pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

06 Feb 22 12.19pm

I can't really think of any reason Andrew has to meet Epstein unless it's to bed girls.

There is the trafficked aspect and I don't think that should be waved aside. If it's overaged and consensual then my interest is far more on the cases that weren't.

Personally while I think Andrew is seedy I'm not of the view that he's going to bed some unwilling partner, but did he know her age?....don't know.

As has been said what's far more important is what the courts don't seem to be interested in......If all this gets pushed aside I despair.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2022 12.21pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 06 Feb 22 2.35pm
Originally posted by becky Her story does seem to have changed several times already, and under oath for a couple too. First she said she had never met him, then in another testimony she admitted she had met him in London but said she never had sex with him, now he's supposed to have poked her all over the world. As I was always taught, once you are found out for a liar, no-one will ever quite believe anything you say again. Don"t tell bungle that last paragraph Becks! It will drive him to drink- parrrrrrrrrrrrrtaaaaaaaaaay!

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 06 Feb 22 2.35pm

Originally posted by becky

Her story does seem to have changed several times already, and under oath for a couple too. First she said she had never met him, then in another testimony she admitted she had met him in London but said she never had sex with him, now he's supposed to have poked her all over the world.

As I was always taught, once you are found out for a liar, no-one will ever quite believe anything you say again.

Don"t tell bungle that last paragraph Becks! It will drive him to drink- parrrrrrrrrrrrrtaaaaaaaaaay!

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 07 Feb 22 2.32pm
Originally posted by silvertop Yes but she was not molested by Andrew as a 7 year old. She was 17 and of age just about everywhere in the developed world save parts of the US. How could he have known her awful past? Andrew is supposedly not very nice but this case has all the trappings of a shake down. Nothing to do with what I said. Forgetting the Andrew story completely, describing someone who was groomed to that extent at a young age as a 'tart' is rank.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 07 Feb 22 2.32pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Yes but she was not molested by Andrew as a 7 year old. She was 17 and of age just about everywhere in the developed world save parts of the US. How could he have known her awful past?

Andrew is supposedly not very nice but this case has all the trappings of a shake down.

Nothing to do with what I said.

Forgetting the Andrew story completely, describing someone who was groomed to that extent at a young age as a 'tart' is rank.

Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 07 Feb 22 4.23pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Also complicated by the claim that the picture has been photoshopped even though the supposedly original picture seems to my uneducated eye to have been more tampered with. One might have assumed the origins of the picture were questioned when it first appeared? It does seem unbecoming for a grown man to be holding the waist of a 17 year old girl with one hand but perhaps it was the tube of Smarties in his other hand that was photoshopped out? Edited by Henry of Peckham (07 Feb 2022 4.26pm) Denial is not just a river in Egypt

Henry of Peckham

Eton Mess 07 Feb 22 4.23pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Also complicated by the claim that the picture has been photoshopped even though the supposedly original picture seems to my uneducated eye to have been more tampered with.

One might have assumed the origins of the picture were questioned when it first appeared? It does seem unbecoming for a grown man to be holding the waist of a 17 year old girl with one hand but perhaps it was the tube of Smarties in his other hand that was photoshopped out?

Edited by Henry of Peckham (07 Feb 2022 4.26pm)

Denial is not just a river in Egypt

Teddy Eagle 07 Feb 22 5.19pm
Originally posted by Henry of Peckham One might have assumed the origins of the picture were questioned when it first appeared? It does seem unbecoming for a grown man to be holding the waist of a 17 year old girl with one hand but perhaps it was the tube of Smarties in his other hand that was photoshopped out? Edited by Henry of Peckham (07 Feb 2022 4.26pm) I think that’s right in that the picture is a photo of a photo and not the original. This is the one claimed to be the original. [Link]

Teddy Eagle

07 Feb 22 5.19pm

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

Edited by Henry of Peckham (07 Feb 2022 4.26pm)

I think that’s right in that the picture is a photo of a photo and not the original.
This is the one claimed to be the original.

[Link]

silvertop Portishead 07 Feb 22 7.39pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Nothing to do with what I said. Forgetting the Andrew story completely, describing someone who was groomed to that extent at a young age as a 'tart' is rank. I don't disagree but I was making a different point.

silvertop

Portishead 07 Feb 22 7.39pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Nothing to do with what I said.

Forgetting the Andrew story completely, describing someone who was groomed to that extent at a young age as a 'tart' is rank.

I don't disagree but I was making a different point.

BlueJay UK 07 Feb 22 7.59pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle I think that’s right in that the picture is a photo of a photo and not the original. This is the one claimed to be the original. [Link] In fairness this picture looks significantly more fake than the other one . Regarding the original image even if it's real it's not as if it's crime of the century anyway. It's more what it has come to represent and the connection between the two individuals. Curious mind you, that no other images exist and so few people recall seeing them together? Though again, I don't deny the likelihood of some aspects of her story being true, just that it's also a convenient distraction from the wider story. Rather curious that the Maxwell case somehow didn't appear to actually involve speaking about any of the clients.. Who these people are must be known, but there is unlikely to be any follow up. Shameful.

BlueJay

UK 07 Feb 22 7.59pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

I think that’s right in that the picture is a photo of a photo and not the original.
This is the one claimed to be the original.

[Link]

In fairness this picture looks significantly more fake than the other one .

Regarding the original image even if it's real it's not as if it's crime of the century anyway. It's more what it has come to represent and the connection between the two individuals. Curious mind you, that no other images exist and so few people recall seeing them together? Though again, I don't deny the likelihood of some aspects of her story being true, just that it's also a convenient distraction from the wider story.

Rather curious that the Maxwell case somehow didn't appear to actually involve speaking about any of the clients.. Who these people are must be known, but there is unlikely to be any follow up. Shameful.

Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 07 Feb 22 8.03pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC I guess that since he's been stripped of his military duties, his beret is now in the second hand store. very good “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

Lanzo-Ad

Lanzarote 07 Feb 22 8.03pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I guess that since he's been stripped of his military duties, his beret is now in the second hand store.

very good

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 13 Feb 22 7.03am
So now pictures from 2002 emerge. [Link] Andrew showing (allegedly) Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacey and Ghislaine Maxwell around Buckingham Palace. I notice Andrew is front of the first photo, pointing towards something. His face looks slightly inebriated and somewhat sweaty. Aaaah, so he looks to be sweating and puffy-faced. Hmmmm I disengage, I turn the page.

Forest Hillbilly

in a hidey-hole 13 Feb 22 7.03am

So now pictures from 2002 emerge.

[Link]

Andrew showing (allegedly) Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacey and Ghislaine Maxwell around Buckingham Palace.

I notice Andrew is front of the first photo, pointing towards something. His face looks slightly inebriated and somewhat sweaty. Aaaah, so he looks to be sweating and puffy-faced. Hmmmm

I disengage, I turn the page.

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 15 Feb 22 4.35pm
Breaking News on MSN . . . [Link] This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 15 Feb 22 4.35pm

Breaking News on MSN . . . [Link]

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 15 Feb 22 5.13pm
5hlt his pants and folded. He had no other choice. That was an expensive shag or two The court statement in full "Virginia Giuffre and Prince Andrew have reached an out of court settlement. “The parties will file a stipulated dismissal upon Ms Giuffre’s receipt of the settlement (the sum of which is not being disclosed). "Prince Andrew has never intended to malign Ms. Giuffre's character, and he accepts that she has suffered as an established victim of abuse and and as a result of unfair public attacks. "It is known that Jeffrey Epstein trafficked countless young girls over many years. "Prince Andrew regrets his association with Epstein and comments the bravery Ms. Giuffre and other survivors in standing up for themselves and others. "He pledges to demonstrate his regret for association with Epstein by supporting the fight against the evils of sex trafficking, and supporting its victims." I disengage, I turn the page.

Forest Hillbilly

in a hidey-hole 15 Feb 22 5.13pm

5hlt his pants and folded. He had no other choice. That was an expensive shag or two

The court statement in full

"Virginia Giuffre and Prince Andrew have reached an out of court settlement.

“The parties will file a stipulated dismissal upon Ms Giuffre’s receipt of the settlement (the sum of which is not being disclosed).

"Prince Andrew has never intended to malign Ms. Giuffre's character, and he accepts that she has suffered as an established victim of abuse and and as a result of unfair public attacks.

"It is known that Jeffrey Epstein trafficked countless young girls over many years.

"Prince Andrew regrets his association with Epstein and comments the bravery Ms. Giuffre and other survivors in standing up for themselves and others.

"He pledges to demonstrate his regret for association with Epstein by supporting the fight against the evils of sex trafficking, and supporting its victims."

I disengage, I turn the page.

cryrst The garden of England 15 Feb 22 6.44pm
Follow the money and that's all it was about otherwise the ta.... Sorry money grabbing cow would have gone to court to at least prove him as responsible for what she alledged. Now we know he was innocent then. Good we can have him re realmed and part of the Royal family.

cryrst

The garden of England 15 Feb 22 6.44pm

Follow the money and that's all it was about otherwise the ta....
Sorry money grabbing cow would have gone to court to at least prove him as responsible for what she alledged.
Now we know he was innocent then. Good we can have him re realmed and part of the Royal family.

the.universal 15 Feb 22 7.28pm
Originally posted by cryrst Follow the money and that's all it was about otherwise the ta.... Sorry money grabbing cow would have gone to court to at least prove him as responsible for what she alledged. Now we know he was innocent then. Good we can have him re realmed and part of the Royal family. Money grabbing is always used as an excuse against women by some men. What we do know is (i) She was abused and (ii) she is donating the latest settlement money to charity. As to why anyone innocent would settle a case, I will leave that for the public to ponder. Vive le Roy!

the.universal 15 Feb 22 7.28pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Money grabbing is always used as an excuse against women by some men. What we do know is (i) She was abused and (ii) she is donating the latest settlement money to charity.

As to why anyone innocent would settle a case, I will leave that for the public to ponder.

Vive le Roy!

cryrst The garden of England 15 Feb 22 7.35pm
Originally posted by the.universal Money grabbing is always used as an excuse against women by some men. What we do know is (i) She was abused and (ii) she is donating the latest settlement money to charity. As to why anyone innocent would settle a case, I will leave that for the public to ponder. I would wonder why you would accept a settlement if you have a case against the other. Surely its about innocence or guilt and civil or not it should be pursued. Whether she's giving the money to charity or not is neither here nor there. Protecting others by revealing wronguns cannot be bought.

cryrst

The garden of England 15 Feb 22 7.35pm

Originally posted by the.universal

Money grabbing is always used as an excuse against women by some men. What we do know is (i) She was abused and (ii) she is donating the latest settlement money to charity.

As to why anyone innocent would settle a case, I will leave that for the public to ponder.

I would wonder why you would accept a settlement if you have a case against the other. Surely its about innocence or guilt and civil or not it should be pursued. Whether she's giving the money to charity or not is neither here nor there. Protecting others by revealing wronguns cannot be bought.

silvertop Portishead 15 Feb 22 7.43pm
Originally posted by cryrst Follow the money and that's all it was about otherwise the ta.... Sorry money grabbing cow would have gone to court to at least prove him as responsible for what she alledged. Now we know he was innocent then. Good we can have him re realmed and part of the Royal family. Naive. You do not understand court behaviour, the reality behind confidential settlements and the extraordinary pressure to make the matter go away on both sides. Also he has not been "cleared" as you suggest, in fact quite the reverse. His brother may restore his HRH when he is eventually king but I imagine a VERY quiet retirement for Andy.

silvertop

Portishead 15 Feb 22 7.43pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Naive. You do not understand court behaviour, the reality behind confidential settlements and the extraordinary pressure to make the matter go away on both sides.

Also he has not been "cleared" as you suggest, in fact quite the reverse.

His brother may restore his HRH when he is eventually king but I imagine a VERY quiet retirement for Andy.

becky over the moon 15 Feb 22 8.58pm
Originally posted by the.universal Money grabbing is always used as an excuse against women by some men. What we do know is (i) She was abused and (ii) she is donating the latest settlement money to charity. As to why anyone innocent would settle a case, I will leave that for the public to ponder. 1. As I understand, the money is being paid to HER charity, set up to help victims of abuse & trafficking, however, depending on where the charitable trust is based, many of them only require 5% of income to actually be used for the charitable purpose. 2. It spares his mother having her Platinum jubilee celebrations overshadowed by a long drawn out and no doubt messy case, with plenty of unsavoury facts coming out on both sides. Edited by becky (15 Feb 2022 9.02pm) A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

becky

over the moon 15 Feb 22 8.58pm

Originally posted by the.universal

Money grabbing is always used as an excuse against women by some men. What we do know is (i) She was abused and (ii) she is donating the latest settlement money to charity.

As to why anyone innocent would settle a case, I will leave that for the public to ponder.

1. As I understand, the money is being paid to HER charity, set up to help victims of abuse & trafficking, however, depending on where the charitable trust is based, many of them only require 5% of income to actually be used for the charitable purpose.

2. It spares his mother having her Platinum jubilee celebrations overshadowed by a long drawn out and no doubt messy case, with plenty of unsavoury facts coming out on both sides.

Edited by becky (15 Feb 2022 9.02pm)

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 16 Feb 22 5.09am
no doubt she'll get most of the money. Andrews life is now totally changed. I'm sure he'll have plenty of cash left, but he's also got to pay his totally useless legal team too. And probably the other side as well. His mates will still have him over to stay at their country retreats, and he'll still have lots of holidays. Parents might be a bit more mindful if they have teenage daughter(S). I disengage, I turn the page.

Forest Hillbilly

in a hidey-hole 16 Feb 22 5.09am

no doubt she'll get most of the money.

Andrews life is now totally changed. I'm sure he'll have plenty of cash left, but he's also got to pay his totally useless legal team too. And probably the other side as well.

His mates will still have him over to stay at their country retreats, and he'll still have lots of holidays.
Parents might be a bit more mindful if they have teenage daughter(S).

I disengage, I turn the page.

robdave2k 16 Feb 22 7.36am
Personally think Andrew is a complete piece of work. However I can understand why he would settle. People can say about clearing their name. I was in a fairly rough pub on a dart’s night back In the 2000’s. The Michael Jackson verdict came in. Let’s just say the court of public opinion did not hold the same view as the legal court. Once the hunt is underway - there is no way to call off the hounds. Best thing he can do is lie back and take it, which is ironic really.

robdave2k

16 Feb 22 7.36am

Personally think Andrew is a complete piece of work. However

I can understand why he would settle. People can say about clearing their name. I was in a fairly rough pub on a dart’s night back In the 2000’s. The Michael Jackson verdict came in. Let’s just say the court of public opinion did not hold the same view as the legal court.

Once the hunt is underway - there is no way to call off the hounds. Best thing he can do is lie back and take it, which is ironic really.

Badger11 Beckenham 16 Feb 22 7.44am
Not surprised he has settled if it had gone to court he would have been questioned in detail about his sex life and partners, major embarrassment all around. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 16 Feb 22 7.44am

Not surprised he has settled if it had gone to court he would have been questioned in detail about his sex life and partners, major embarrassment all around.

One more point

dreamwaverider London 16 Feb 22 8.25am
Originally posted by the.universal Money grabbing is always used as an excuse against women by some men. What we do know is (i) She was abused and (ii) she is donating the latest settlement money to charity. As to why anyone innocent would settle a case, I will leave that for the public to ponder. Incorrect. Andrew is giving the money to her charity. Take a look at that charity’s accounts and see what it pays her. Tax wise it’s the best way. Plus it makes all the wokes happy. Win win

dreamwaverider

London 16 Feb 22 8.25am

Originally posted by the.universal

Money grabbing is always used as an excuse against women by some men. What we do know is (i) She was abused and (ii) she is donating the latest settlement money to charity.

As to why anyone innocent would settle a case, I will leave that for the public to ponder.

Incorrect. Andrew is giving the money to her charity. Take a look at that charity’s accounts and see what it pays her. Tax wise it’s the best way. Plus it makes all the wokes happy. Win win

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