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The groover Danbury 13 Jul 23 8.53am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I read the spec and it has to be plugged in to charge. The generator just extends this by 30 odd miles. Lower emissions than full petrol but still inconvenient. Its the other way round. It gets charged on electric which lasts 30-50 miles depending on month of the year, and then gets extended by the engine. Getting 300 miles out of a semi electric car with 40kg/km 10 years ago is pretty damn good. As I said previously. It's the way to go. The best hybrid I have had was a toyota corolla. Adapt it to this with even new tech and we could see a reverse of the all electric move.
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georgenorman 13 Jul 23 9.03am | |
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Originally posted by The groover
Its the other way round. It gets charged on electric which lasts 30-50 miles depending on month of the year, and then gets extended by the engine. Getting 300 miles out of a semi electric car with 40kg/km 10 years ago is pretty damn good. As I said previously. It's the way to go. The best hybrid I have had was a toyota corolla. Adapt it to this with even new tech and we could see a reverse of the all electric move. I've got a 2.0 litre Corolla self-charging hybrid. It's a really good car in all respects (apart from the small boot). I don't get outstanding mpg, around 48 most of the time. If you have the air-con off you get into the 50s. I once drove on a long journey really carefully and got 60mpg. Being self-charging was a major reason in buying it, as well as always finding Toyotas are very reliable and well built.
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The groover Danbury 13 Jul 23 10.37am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
I've got a 2.0 litre Corolla self-charging hybrid. It's a really good car in all respects (apart from the small boot). I don't get outstanding mpg, around 48 most of the time. If you have the air-con off you get into the 50s. I once drove on a long journey really carefully and got 60mpg. Being self-charging was a major reason in buying it, as well as always finding Toyotas are very reliable and well built. I had a 1.8l. I had the touring sports (estate), primarily because I was an engineer and had a boot full of tools and test equipment. So a lot of weight and a bigger car. Because I did high mileage most days I was getting 65 in the summer and 55 in the winter. I found that having the cruise control on reduced mpg. But once warmed up in traffic it was very good compared to previous cars I had. They now offer a 10 year warranty if you get it serviced with them and a 15 year battery warranty!!!!
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 15 Jul 23 9.40am | |
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"Environmental activists have set up one of Scotland's largest protest camps in a decade near an oil refinery. Climate Camp Scotland said they wanted the space in Kinneil Park in Grangemouth to be open for all to come and discuss the climate emergency. The group said figures showed chemical giant Ineos was "Scotland's biggest polluter". But the multinational firm said it operated a "safe, sustainable business" and met its climate responsibilities." (BBC Website) This seems, on the face of it, a more articulate and reasoned form of protest. I don't think their campaign is likely to pick up much passing trade or tourists to the site. Attachment: kinneil park.pdf (534.13Kb)
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The groover Danbury 15 Jul 23 9.52am | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
"Environmental activists have set up one of Scotland's largest protest camps in a decade near an oil refinery. Climate Camp Scotland said they wanted the space in Kinneil Park in Grangemouth to be open for all to come and discuss the climate emergency. The group said figures showed chemical giant Ineos was "Scotland's biggest polluter". But the multinational firm said it operated a "safe, sustainable business" and met its climate responsibilities." (BBC Website) This seems, on the face of it, a more articulate and reasoned form of protest. I don't think their campaign is likely to pick up much passing trade or tourists to the site. Yep. And they use oil based products in most of their protests. I'm sure this one will fizzle out and they can move on to the next soon enough.
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Phil’s Barber Crowborough 15 Jul 23 9.53am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I read the spec and it has to be plugged in to charge. The generator just extends this by 30 odd miles. Lower emissions than full petrol but still inconvenient. Agreed, we have an electric car and charging it during a long run is nothing short of a nightmare!
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becky over the moon 15 Jul 23 12.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
"Environmental activists have set up one of Scotland's largest protest camps in a decade near an oil refinery. Climate Camp Scotland said they wanted the space in Kinneil Park in Grangemouth to be open for all to come and discuss the climate emergency. The group said figures showed chemical giant Ineos was "Scotland's biggest polluter". But the multinational firm said it operated a "safe, sustainable business" and met its climate responsibilities." (BBC Website) This seems, on the face of it, a more articulate and reasoned form of protest. I don't think their campaign is likely to pick up much passing trade or tourists to the site. Not forgetting the young lad in a replica kit shirt almost certainly made of some type of nylon....
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Badger11 Beckenham 15 Jul 23 12.50pm | |
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On the BBS they are broadly in favour of the protestors and their illegal actions. "Cos no one is listening to them" Yup that's right it's called democracy at the GE the Green party polls less than 10% so the public are not convinced that this is the major issue of the day. If only there was a role model they could follow err there is UKIP and Brexit. For decades a small group of people campaigned legally and were largely ignored by public and the media. However gradually their share of the vote increased until the other parties had to take note. I don't want to re-run the Brexit argument the point is that even if they had lost the referendum they put themselves front an centre of British politics. Breaking the law and hurting ordinary members of the public is not going to increase your chances of getting your agenda acted on, quite the reverse they are now losing the argument and good will of the public. If I was the Green Party I would be distancing myself from these idiots. What the Greens need to do is come up with a coherent policy that doesn't involve forcing the public back into horse and carts and homes lit by candles. That means making short term compromises on fossil fuels until renewable energy and electric cars are practical and affordable to the public. I want hold my breath, these people prefer to be outside the tent pissing in.
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palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 15 Jul 23 1.19pm | |
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This full conversion to electric is never going to happen for various reasons, but here’s one practical problem- Let’s say the average fuel stop for a petrol or diesel vehicle is 6 minutes. So, each pump can service 10 clients per hour. Say an average of 6 pumps per filling station, that’s 60 clients per hour. Let’s say an average electric charge, 20 to 80 percent on a super fast charger is 30 mins. Therefore each charger can service 2 clients per hour. So in order to maintain the same throughput, each station will have to replace 6 fossil fuel pumps with 30 electric charging points. Not going to happen, is it?
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cryrst The garden of England 15 Jul 23 1.56pm | |
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Originally posted by palace_in_frogland
This full conversion to electric is never going to happen for various reasons, but here’s one practical problem- Let’s say the average fuel stop for a petrol or diesel vehicle is 6 minutes. So, each pump can service 10 clients per hour. Say an average of 6 pumps per filling station, that’s 60 clients per hour. Let’s say an average electric charge, 20 to 80 percent on a super fast charger is 30 mins. Therefore each charger can service 2 clients per hour. So in order to maintain the same throughput, each station will have to replace 6 fossil fuel pumps with 30 electric charging points. Not going to happen, is it? And it’s around 60pence per Kw which is about 3 miles on an average electric vehicle.
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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 15 Jul 23 2.00pm | |
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I'd like to know, how are people living flats/high rises etc going to be able charge their vehicles, chuck leads over every balcony?
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palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 15 Jul 23 3.36pm | |
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Originally posted by eagleman13
I'd like to know, how are people living flats/high rises etc going to be able charge their vehicles, chuck leads over every balcony? Maybe they’ll all be given 500 metre extension leads at subsidised rates?
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