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Originally posted by Mapletree
First of all, given you are responding to my daughter, despite being 17 and coming from Croydon she doesn't yet have children. Second, she doesn't say old people shouldn't vote, she says they turned up to vote more than younger people as they had more spare time. Or maybe just weren't at Glastonbury. Funnily enough she has done some home economics but frankly you take your life in your hands if you eat her fairy cakes. I seriously doubt you have a better grasp of international economics than the three of my children put together. And that is the point, we all discuss the major issues and share our views. And by the way, she is f*cked. Thanks to all those people who did not fully understand the scale of the change they were about to engender and won't have to live with the change in the employment opportunities this is going to drive. And by the way, if my children are lucky enough to get a job they won't just work for 46 years. They have to pay for your pension, that will take a lot of doing. And, finally, I would rather my children made decisions on the future of the world than anyone else I know. I can guide them but in the end they will make decisions about their - and my - life. As they keep reminding me, it is they that decide which home to send me to. Edited by Mapletree (24 Jun 2016 10.57pm) This - not a good day for our children who will have to live the rest of their lives with the consequences of this decision.
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Originally posted by beagle
He was conspicuous by his absence in the debate and seemed happy to let the blue on blue Tory feuding take the headlines. To my mind he is a guilty as Cameron in playing politics with this referendum and did fcuk-all except give the odd limp sound bite. Corbyn toured major cities and towns, it's called reaching out to ordinary voters or grassroots activism. It was reported in local media not national. For a reason I expect, they didn't want him to have a high profile so they could then claim he did nothing. I think the likes of Murdoch et al are s*** scared of Corbyn because he actually is electable and does resonate with people, that's why they constantly attack him. Again and again looking for any excuse or making excuses up to attack him. When you look at Corbyns policies, renationalisation of railways, energy and water, money for building from the BOE rather than the BOE using quantitive easing for banks is in line with a lot of what people want. He is railing against austerity which is a political agenda to take from the public and siphon it to the haves. Corbyn believes in investment to stimulate growth not cutting back and cutting back. But instead, the media say he's scruffy, a lefty trot engaging in student politics, he wears flip flops, he'll take the UK back to the dark ages; they repeat that he's unelectable over and over again. Repeat the same thing over and over and people start to believe it. They buy into the false narrative that the nedia have created. This is evidenced if you ask anyone on here or read their posts as to why they don't like Corbyn or don't think he is electable, it's not about policies, instead they say exactly what is repeated in the mainstream media, he's scruffy etc etc. In actual fact, Labour have done alright in the elections they've taken part in so far: Tooting by election, which was expected to swing to tory because of changing voter/constituency demographics in fact saw a 7% swing to Labour (still a failyre), Sadiq Khan blew Tristram Hunt out of the water in the mayoral election (Labour are still failing). Doom was forecast in the local elections with labour losing hundreds of seats becaue Corbyn was bad for labour, as it was they only lost a few from a high watermark anyway, but still even though labour performed a lot better than the naysayers it was still reported as a failure. I saw a poll on the referendum (I don't know the amount surveyed,) but it showed Labour had a higher percentage of voters that voted for remain than both the tories and snp. But that's not reported because it will make him look good or even electable. Yet he is was attacked for being ineffectual. Nothing was really said about the ineffectuality of the other parties. I say keep him on as Labour leader - f*** the Blairite progress wing of the party who are the bitter remains of New Labour, they are just trying to cling to what little power they have in the party so cosy up to the press for their own gains - look at the resignation 'incident ' on the daily politics which the BBC orchestrated five minutes before PMQ's a few weeks ago. Look at the coverage of John Mann having a pop at Ken Livingstone. Corbyn hasn't failed because he hasn't yet stood in a GE. However because there may be one soon due to Dave (humble speech focussed on not innefectuality) they want Corbyn gone because he could win and upset the land of milk and honey. Yes he does need to focus on some areas more, but I'm sure he and his team know that. We all know that whoever is in charge of Labour will have the same spin and lies and bulls*** aimed at them. Don't fall for the such and such would be much better bollocks. Milliband ate a bacon sandwich and for 1 fraction of a second a photo caught him looking a bit funny. Cameron f***ed a dead pig. Which got more coverage? Edited by nickgusset (25 Jun 2016 12.00am)
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Originally posted by Eggy
This - not a good day for our children who will have to live the rest of their lives with the consequences of this decision. Like you I was on the losing side. However this is all just a little melodramatic We have two choices we can sulk strop and make the forecasts of doom a self fulfilling prophecy or, suck it up embrace change and make the best of it. I know what I am going to do, I owe it to my kids
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Originally posted by Jimenez
72% I believe. A lot higher than EU Elections I bet!! Can anyone (seriously & without googling) name his or her Euro MEP????? Who is your euro MP?
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Who is your euro MP? If he or she was to walk past me in the street I wouldn't know!! Who's yours?
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Who is your euro MP? Pointless worrying about that now.
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Originally posted by Jimenez
If he or she was to walk past me in the street I wouldn't know!! Who's yours? I didn't know New Yoikans had euro MEP's that's my point! My MEP was kicked out of UKIP for fiddling expenses if I remember rightly She joined a group of MEP's headed by le Pen! Twas in the news shopper a few months ago if I recall. Janice someone, can't remember her surname though.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Do you know anything? You carry on fretting Maple. And I will enjoy my 25 or 30 odd years that I might have left knowing that I paid for privilege and hoping that I never have to spend any of that time any where near someone like you. You actually replied to Mapletree's daughter there. Did you realise. She is too young to vote so is powerless to do anything about our decision.
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Like you I was on the losing side. However this is all just a little melodramatic We have two choices we can sulk strop and make the forecasts of doom a self fulfilling prophecy or, suck it up embrace change and make the best of it. I know what I am going to do, I owe it to my kids
The world will keep spinning, and in a few days I'm sure 'normal' life will return and we will face into the challenges ahead and make the best of it, and I sincerely hope my current concerns and reservations are proved wrong. However, it's not going to happen overnight as a lot of people seem to think, and it could be at least 10 years before we can really judge if this was the right decision for the UK, and Europe. Please let the season start soon so we've all got something to really moan and worry about 😉😉😄
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
Like you I was on the losing side. However this is all just a little melodramatic We have two choices we can sulk strop and make the forecasts of doom a self fulfilling prophecy or, suck it up embrace change and make the best of it. I know what I am going to do, I owe it to my kids
The world will keep spinning, and in a few days I'm sure 'normal' life will return and we will face into the challenges ahead and make the best of it, and I sincerely hope my current concerns and reservations are proved wrong. However, it's not going to happen overnight as a lot of people seem to think, and it could be at least 10 years before we can really judge if this was the right decision for the UK, and Europe. Please let the season start soon so we've all got something to really moan and worry about 😉😉😄
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Originally posted by Eggy
The world will keep spinning, and in a few days I'm sure 'normal' life will return and we will face into the challenges ahead and make the best of it, and I sincerely hope my current concerns and reservations are proved wrong. However, it's not going to happen overnight as a lot of people seem to think, and it could be at least 10 years before we can really judge if this was the right decision for the UK, and Europe. Please let the season start soon so we've all got something to really moan and worry about 😉😉😄 Yeah sooner the season restarts the better
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Originally posted by Eggy
The world will keep spinning, and in a few days I'm sure 'normal' life will return and we will face into the challenges ahead and make the best of it, and I sincerely hope my current concerns and reservations are proved wrong. However, it's not going to happen overnight as a lot of people seem to think, and it could be at least 10 years before we can really judge if this was the right decision for the UK, and Europe. Please let the season start soon so we've all got something to really moan and worry about 😉😉😄 Parrot
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I didn't know New Yoikans had euro MEP's that's my point! My MEP was kicked out of UKIP for fiddling expenses if I remember rightly She joined a group of MEP's headed by le Pen! Twas in the news shopper a few months ago if I recall. Janice someone, can't remember her surname though. ...........I have one in Balham though. (or did)
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Originally posted by Jimenez
...........I have one in Balham though. (or did) Is that Balham 'GATEWAY TO THE SOUTH' ?
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I don't want anyone to bump into her in the job centre!
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Is that Balham 'GATEWAY TO THE SOUTH' ? No need to shout.
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Originally posted by Eggy
The world will keep spinning, and in a few days I'm sure 'normal' life will return and we will face into the challenges ahead and make the best of it, and I sincerely hope my current concerns and reservations are proved wrong. However, it's not going to happen overnight as a lot of people seem to think, and it could be at least 10 years before we can really judge if this was the right decision for the UK, and Europe. Please let the season start soon so we've all got something to really moan and worry about 😉😉😄 No it hasnt, still EU members... Assume your'e talking about Nigel Farage? He can say what he likes frankly as he isn't the government, he wasn't even in the official out campaign, he is just playing party politics - which sad as it is, won't make a blind bit of difference in the long run. Bizarrely I think this will mark the death of UKIP, they will now lose almost all their power base as most of their elected officials were in Brussels. They have also just lost two major ideological pillars, the idea of leaving the EU and about introducing an Australian style points system, both will almost certainly happy now.
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Day 2 Mayor of Calais requests to French President that we are made to stop our immigration checks over there and take them back in-house. Moody's cuts UK credit rating to negative.
Mayor of Calais has no ability to rescind the treaty of Tourquet as I think its known, much like Nigel Farage can't decide where to spend the extra money will free up from not paying for EU membership. Hollow words! As for Moody's, they probably would of done the same if Scotland had left the UK and / or Corbyn gets elected. Once things settle down in the next month or so, things will improve again. Oddly enough, you failed to mention how the FTSE escaped the worst of the BREXIT shock? Its almost as if you are looking for excuses to talk the UK down....
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Originally posted by snytaxx
Mayor of Calais has no ability to rescind the treaty of Tourquet as I think its known, much like Nigel Farage can't decide where to spend the extra money will free up from not paying for EU membership. Hollow words! As for Moody's, they probably would of done the same if Scotland had left the UK and / or Corbyn gets elected. Once things settle down in the next month or so, things will improve again. Oddly enough, you failed to mention how the FTSE escaped the worst of the BREXIT shock? Its almost as if you are looking for excuses to talk the UK down.... That's why he's asked the President. It's just a deal and deals - and treaties - can both be ended. Ftse was down 7 per cent as predicted and finished around 3.2 per cent down and you talk as if that was some kind of Brexit victory? The only good news is that we can now talk in real time facts about the effects of Leave - positive and negative - as they happen and no more scaremongering. If you want to spin things you can try but the weight of change will, I suspect, be too strong to put any gloss on. Edited by Kermit8 (25 Jun 2016 8.10am)
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