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 snytaxx  London 25 Jun 16 8.12am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
That's why he's asked the President. It's just a deal and deals - and treaties - can both be ended. Ftse was down nearly 8 per cent as predicted and finished around 4 per cent down and you talk as if that was some kind of Brexit victory? The only good news is that we can now talk in real time facts about the effects of Leave - positive and negative - as they happen and no more scaremongering. If you want to spin things you can try but the weight of change will, I suspect, be too strong to put any gloss on. Edited by Kermit8 (25 Jun 2016 7.52am) Yes Treaties can be ended, but I sincerely doubt the French President (with an Election next year) is just going to go "ah well, lets cancel it then". Ending a treaty takes thought and dialogue on both sides. What will ending the treaty achieve exactly? Ferries which have illegal migrants on them simply wont be allowed to dock, Will the French paralyse their northern border just because the Mayor doesnt like the fact the UK will Brexit? Exactly.... The markets WILL bounce back. You talk as if them markets never crash in EU countries, I doubt that you really care that the market has fallen, I suspect you are more interested in just using this as ammunition in the sour grapes doom and gloom machine you call factual reporting. As a Brexiteer, let me just write this out one last time. There wil be market volatility, the next month will cause some problems for the FTSE and the pound. I can't even rule out a mini recession (though I think this is less likely). The long term result though will be a more resilient and stronger Britain. The positives (of which are many) will take about 1-5 years to really start to kick in. Now you can moan all you like about how its all going to s***, doesn't mean it actually is, its short term hysteria (just like when Cameron was elected last year) which will calm down in the next 2 months (if not before). The question for you is simple, are you willing to make the best of the opportunity we voted for, or will you just sulk while the rest of the world moves on?
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Kermit8  Hevon 25 Jun 16 9.03am |
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Originally posted by snytaxx
Yes Treaties can be ended, but I sincerely doubt the French President (with an Election next year) is just going to go "ah well, lets cancel it then". Ending a treaty takes thought and dialogue on both sides. What will ending the treaty achieve exactly? Ferries which have illegal migrants on them simply wont be allowed to dock, Will the French paralyse their northern border just because the Mayor doesnt like the fact the UK will Brexit? Exactly.... The markets WILL bounce back. You talk as if them markets never crash in EU countries, I doubt that you really care that the market has fallen, I suspect you are more interested in just using this as ammunition in the sour grapes doom and gloom machine you call factual reporting. As a Brexiteer, let me just write this out one last time. There wil be market volatility, the next month will cause some problems for the FTSE and the pound. I can't even rule out a mini recession (though I think this is less likely). The long term result though will be a more resilient and stronger Britain. The positives (of which are many) will take about 1-5 years to really start to kick in. Now you can moan all you like about how its all going to s***, doesn't mean it actually is, its short term hysteria (just like when Cameron was elected last year) which will calm down in the next 2 months (if not before). The question for you is simple, are you willing to make the best of the opportunity we voted for, or will you just sulk while the rest of the world moves on? You have opened Pandora's Box but you are a glass three quarter full man. Everything is going to be rosy. Unfortunately, for places like Northern Ireland where the EU has helped significantly in forcing the peace and Cornwall and Wales who have had billions in EU help and for those whose jobs go and bills rise until we get to the 'promised land' five years hence it won't necessarily feel like Brexit was a positive.
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| shaun57 chislehurst 25 Jun 16 9.08am |
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And Cornwall and Wales voted which way ?
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| Stirlingsays 25 Jun 16 9.09am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
You have opened Pandora's Box but you are a glass three quarter full man. Everything is going to be rosy. Unfortunately, for places like Northern Ireland where the EU has helped significantly in forcing the peace and Cornwall and Wales who have had billions in EU help and for those whose jobs go and bills rise until we get to the 'promised land' five years hence it won't necessarily feel like Brexit was a positive. At least slightly more than half of Britain has balls. Great countries aren't fashioned by faint hearts. Brexit is a positive and will be regarded as a positive long term. It will be difficult due to the EU's reaction but in the long term this country will succeed and govern itself. Believers in the nation state all around Europe are rejoicing and the federalists and globalists have had this coming: undemocratic bully boys. Viva democracy.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Jun 16 9.17am |
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The Scottish mail on Thursday urged people to vote remain! Anyone would think they want an independent Scotland to carve Labour up...
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| DivingIsNotGood se25 25 Jun 16 9.39am |
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Brit's again doing what we do best, LEADING!
VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again |
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| crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 25 Jun 16 9.43am |
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Originally posted by snytaxx
Mayor of Calais has no ability to rescind the treaty of Tourquet as I think its known, much like Nigel Farage can't decide where to spend the extra money will free up from not paying for EU membership. Hollow words! As for Moody's, they probably would of done the same if Scotland had left the UK and / or Corbyn gets elected. Once things settle down in the next month or so, things will improve again. Oddly enough, you failed to mention how the FTSE escaped the worst of the BREXIT shock? Its almost as if you are looking for excuses to talk the UK down.... FTSE 100 consists mainly of multi-national companies who are largely immune from UK domestic conditions. FTSE 250 is a better indicator of UK conditions, and that fell by 7.2% yesterday, worst fall since Black Friday. Recession later this year almost inevitable, and 4-5 years of uncertainty yet to feed in to the markets fully. Who knows what will happen in 5 years time. I feel that economically we'll be ok eventually, but we're in for a major bumpy ride meanwhile, and anyone retiring in the next few years or looking to borrow money may rue the outcome of the referendum.
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| DivingIsNotGood se25 25 Jun 16 10.03am |
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Is very important remain voters watch [Link]
VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again |
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Jun 16 10.06am |
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Meanwhile in Cornwall
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 Hrolf The Ganger 25 Jun 16 10.14am |
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Originally posted by Eggy
This - not a good day for our children who will have to live the rest of their lives with the consequences of this decision. Stop worrying about the future. To borrow from Doctor Zaius, We might have just saved it for you....
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| Mapletree Croydon 25 Jun 16 10.18am |
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Originally posted by crystal balls
FTSE 100 consists mainly of multi-national companies who are largely immune from UK domestic conditions. FTSE 250 is a better indicator of UK conditions, and that fell by 7.2% yesterday, worst fall since Black Friday. Recession later this year almost inevitable, and 4-5 years of uncertainty yet to feed in to the markets fully. Who knows what will happen in 5 years time. I feel that economically we'll be ok eventually, but we're in for a major bumpy ride meanwhile, and anyone retiring in the next few years or looking to borrow money may rue the outcome of the referendum. It's good to see someone that understands what has happened here. We will lose ground. We may eventually get back to where we were before this started but we will never recover the lost impetus. We have done a very serious thing to our economy and we shall need to find ways of minimising the damage. But let nobody be under the illusion we have not created lasting damage. Now we have to use all of our wit and energy to recover. We should have been using it to accelerate out of recession. Such a waste for relatively minor political gains.
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| Mapletree Croydon 25 Jun 16 10.19am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Stop worrying about the future. To borrow from Doctor Zaius, We might have just saved it for you.... What proportion of 'might'? This is exactly why we are where we are, people not worrying about the future. But then, some people have shorter futures than others.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Jun 16 10.34am |
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Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood
An entirely misleading headline, surprise surprise. There is no reason why the 10bn saving from leaving the EU cannot be issued even more efficiently than EU funding. On a separate note which way did you vote Nick? Sorry I mean have you signed petition 131215 yet? You know a counter petition to 131215 is on the way.
Interesting times ahead. Need time for remainers to get over what happened then hopefully all pull together to build a UK (if it doesn't disintegrate with Sinn Fein pushing for a united Ireland as part of the EU and Scotland gaining independence) that isn't corporocentric (made up word of the day) I'm hoping that the Spanish left win tomorrow and the European project fragments because of disaffection across Europe. This is the only chink of light I can see.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 25 Jun 16 10.43am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
What proportion of 'might'? This is exactly why we are where we are, people not worrying about the future. But then, some people have shorter futures than others. How old are you Mapletree? You carry on like a schoolboy. I promise you that the Sun will still come up tomorrow.Try to put things into some sort of perspective and don't assume that you will live longer than me because judging by the way you worry about things I wouldn't be so sure. How's your blood pressure? You clearly have had very little adversity in your life if you go into a tail spin so easily.
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