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Stirlingsays 01 Jun 19 4.53pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle A lot of trump fans also get to vote on the next leader. Frankly if you think Boris is an effective conservative then you probably think the same of people like Trump. The bigger question is does anyone take any notice of the verbal diarrhea that seeps out of Trump on a daily basis. He also called prince Harry’s wife nasty in the same interview in the good old Sun newspaper. Lunch with Harry and his old dear should be an absolute hoot. Well, I can't say I rate her myself. Another enjoyable piece of 'gunboat' diplomacy from Trump. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

01 Jun 19 4.53pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

A lot of trump fans also get to vote on the next leader. Frankly if you think Boris is an effective conservative then you probably think the same of people like Trump.

The bigger question is does anyone take any notice of the verbal diarrhea that seeps out of Trump on a daily basis.

He also called prince Harry’s wife nasty in the same interview in the good old Sun newspaper.

Lunch with Harry and his old dear should be an absolute hoot.

Well, I can't say I rate her myself.

Another enjoyable piece of 'gunboat' diplomacy from Trump.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Penge Eagle Beckenham 01 Jun 19 5.47pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle No I want stricter background checks and military grade assault weapons like AR15s not very easy to get a hold of. A majority of Americans agree with me. I had a play with my friend's AR15 in LA, it's much lighter than I thought. I agree with you on tighter controls but that is not going to stop the shootings. Especially when government departments have repeatedly failed to spot offenders and police have ignored warnings.

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 01 Jun 19 5.47pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

No I want stricter background checks and military grade assault weapons like AR15s not very easy to get a hold of.

A majority of Americans agree with me.

I had a play with my friend's AR15 in LA, it's much lighter than I thought.

I agree with you on tighter controls but that is not going to stop the shootings. Especially when government departments have repeatedly failed to spot offenders and police have ignored warnings.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Jun 19 8.47pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Something tells me that the kind of people who are dead set against Trump are the same kind of people who wouldn't want Johnson as PM. Too bloody right! Whilst there are very significant differences between them they are both much more interested in themselves than the country they claim to love and both are totally unsuited to serve as any kind of leader, let alone a country. In other words, the ones who are ok with being losers and having a Corbyn government. Totally wrong. I for one hate losing and will fight very hard to achieve fairness and justice when I see it is needed. That includes opposing both Trump and Johnson. Having a Corbyn government would be even worse that one led by Johnson because it would probably last much longer. I would resist that too. The same types who thought May was a good idea as PM. As she was returned unopposed that includes an awful lot of "types" who think like you do! I would have preferred someone who accepted that Russian interference (as advised by our own security services) had so compromised the referendum result that the small margin could not be trusted and withdrew the commitment to respect it as a consequence. Someone who would then have called for a major investigation and a pause on any further moves toward Brexit until it was reported on. That would have been the sensible and responsible course but fear of Farage and the ERG has sadly removed much common sense from the current Tory Party. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Jun 2019 9.27am) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 01 Jun 19 8.47pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Something tells me that the kind of people who are dead set against Trump are the same kind of people who wouldn't want Johnson as PM.

Too bloody right! Whilst there are very significant differences between them they are both much more interested in themselves than the country they claim to love and both are totally unsuited to serve as any kind of leader, let alone a country.

In other words, the ones who are ok with being losers and having a Corbyn government.

Totally wrong. I for one hate losing and will fight very hard to achieve fairness and justice when I see it is needed. That includes opposing both Trump and Johnson. Having a Corbyn government would be even worse that one led by Johnson because it would probably last much longer. I would resist that too.

The same types who thought May was a good idea as PM.

As she was returned unopposed that includes an awful lot of "types" who think like you do! I would have preferred someone who accepted that Russian interference (as advised by our own security services) had so compromised the referendum result
that the small margin could not be trusted and withdrew the commitment to respect it as a consequence. Someone who would then have called for a major investigation and a pause on any further moves toward Brexit until it was reported on. That would have been the sensible and responsible course but fear of Farage and the ERG has sadly removed much common sense from the current Tory Party.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Jun 2019 9.27am)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Stirlingsays 01 Jun 19 9.02pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Something tells me that the kind of people who are dead set against Trump are the same kind of people who wouldn't want Johnson as PM. Too bloody right! Whilst there are very significant differences between them they are both much more interested in themselves than the country they claim to love and both are totally unsuited to serve as any kind of leader, let alone a country. In other words, the ones who are ok with being losers and having a Corbyn government. Totally wrong. I for one hate losing and will fight very hard to achieve fairness and justice when I see it is needed. That includes opposing both Trump and Johnson. Having a Corbyn government would be even worse that one led by Johnson because it would probably last much longer. I would resist that too. The same types who thought May was a good idea as PM. As she was returned unopposed that includes an awful lot of "types" who think like you do! I would have preferred someone who accepted that Russian interference (as advised by our own security services) had so compromised the referendum result that the small margin could not be trusted and withdrew the commitment to respect it as a consequence. Someone who would then have called for a major investigation and a pause on any further moves toward Brexit until it was reported on. That would have been the sensible and responsible course but fear of Farage and the ERG has sadly removed much common sense from the current Tory Party. Groan! She wasn't returned unopposed.....that's so typical of the type of disingenuous slant you put on things. Leadson dropped out when it was the last two, the original vote of MPs in the original line up is the accurate state of MP intent. I have the definite impression the only reason you'd dislike the prospect of a Corbyn government is because he's going to tax you Truro types until you squeak. Other than that and his in/out shake it all about approach to the EU he sounds like your perfect bro date. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

01 Jun 19 9.02pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Something tells me that the kind of people who are dead set against Trump are the same kind of people who wouldn't want Johnson as PM.

In other words, the ones who are ok with being losers and having a Corbyn government.

The same types who thought May was a good idea as PM.

Groan!

She wasn't returned unopposed.....that's so typical of the type of disingenuous slant you put on things. Leadson dropped out when it was the last two, the original vote of MPs in the original line up is the accurate state of MP intent.

I have the definite impression the only reason you'd dislike the prospect of a Corbyn government is because he's going to tax you Truro types until you squeak.

Other than that and his in/out shake it all about approach to the EU he sounds like your perfect bro date.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Jun 19 10.08pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Groan! She wasn't returned unopposed.....that's so typical of the type of disingenuous slant you put on things. Leadson dropped out when it was the last two, the original vote of MPs in the original line up is the accurate state of MP intent. She was returned unopposed by the membership because they were given no other choice! I know Leadson withdrew. I bet she won't again! I have the definite impression the only reason you'd dislike the prospect of a Corbyn government is because he's going to tax you Truro types until you squeak. Has not entered my thoughts. As a retired guy on a modest pension I cannot believe I am going to be targeted. In any case I accept the need to raise taxation where appropriate and I will always pay my share. None of us should consume more than we need to if there are those who don't have enough for a decent life through no fault of their own. Balancing the need to reward endeavour with the need to protect the vulnerable is the unenviable task of the professional politician. People who so many in these threads seem to despise. My objection to Corbyn has everything to do with his left wing policies and his connection to Russia. Other than that and his in/out shake it all about approach to the EU he sounds like your perfect bro date. No chance. Wouldn't contemplate going on any "bro" date and would not want to be in the same room as Corbyn. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 01 Jun 19 10.08pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Groan!

She was returned unopposed by the membership because they were given no other choice! I know Leadson withdrew. I bet she won't again!

I have the definite impression the only reason you'd dislike the prospect of a Corbyn government is because he's going to tax you Truro types until you squeak.

Has not entered my thoughts. As a retired guy on a modest pension I cannot believe I am going to be targeted. In any case I accept the need to raise taxation where appropriate and I will always pay my share. None of us should consume more than we need to if there are those who don't have enough for a decent life through no fault of their own. Balancing the need to reward endeavour with the need to protect the vulnerable is the unenviable task of the professional politician. People who so many in these threads seem to despise. My objection to Corbyn has everything to do with his left wing policies and his connection to Russia.

Other than that and his in/out shake it all about approach to the EU he sounds like your perfect bro date.

No chance. Wouldn't contemplate going on any "bro" date and would not want to be in the same room as Corbyn.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Stirlingsays 01 Jun 19 10.23pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Has not entered my thoughts. As a retired guy on a modest pension I cannot believe I am going to be targeted. Mmmm....I wouldn't be so sure. Labour want to re-balance between young and old and I can see inflation increases for pensioners being reduced and some perks going. I think the Tories will do this as well, but as pensioners form their largest voting block it'll probably be less than what Labour would do. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Jun 2019 10.24pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

01 Jun 19 10.23pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Has not entered my thoughts. As a retired guy on a modest pension I cannot believe I am going to be targeted.

Mmmm....I wouldn't be so sure.

Labour want to re-balance between young and old and I can see inflation increases for pensioners being reduced and some perks going.

I think the Tories will do this as well, but as pensioners form their largest voting block it'll probably be less than what Labour would do.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Jun 2019 10.24pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

becky over the moon 01 Jun 19 10.35pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle A lot of trump fans also get to vote on the next leader. Frankly if you think Boris is an effective conservative then you probably think the same of people like Trump. The bigger question is does anyone take any notice of the verbal diarrhea that seeps out of Trump on a daily basis. He also called prince Harry’s wife nasty in the same interview in the good old Sun newspaper. Lunch with Harry and his old dear should be an absolute hoot. He supposedly said that he didn't realise she was a nasty person after being told that she had called him a misogynist and divisive. He then went on to wish her well and success as a member of the royal family. Bit of a different slant to it.... good old Sun indeed. A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

becky

over the moon 01 Jun 19 10.35pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

A lot of trump fans also get to vote on the next leader. Frankly if you think Boris is an effective conservative then you probably think the same of people like Trump.

The bigger question is does anyone take any notice of the verbal diarrhea that seeps out of Trump on a daily basis.

He also called prince Harry’s wife nasty in the same interview in the good old Sun newspaper.

Lunch with Harry and his old dear should be an absolute hoot.

He supposedly said that he didn't realise she was a nasty person after being told that she had called him a misogynist and divisive. He then went on to wish her well and success as a member of the royal family. Bit of a different slant to it.... good old Sun indeed.

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Jun 19 9.08am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Mmmm....I wouldn't be so sure. Labour want to re-balance between young and old and I can see inflation increases for pensioners being reduced and some perks going. I think the Tories will do this as well, but as pensioners form their largest voting block it'll probably be less than what Labour would do. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Jun 2019 10.24pm) This is probably a subject for another whole thread but the issues we are now witnessing with regard to the rebalancing needed were realised by me about 40 years ago. I could see that a prosperous retired population, living ever longer through medical advances and better fitness, soaking up increased amounts of the national wealth being generated by a decreasing working aged population, was a time bomb. This is especially true in the public sector where their generous inflation proofed, final salary linked, pensions are funded by current taxation/NI contributions and not by deposits in pension funds, as in the private sector. I saw it then as an opportunity to be commercially exploited, but also as a huge political problem that would be continually kicked into the long grass by the need to address short term issues. Just as climate change is now. So I definitely anticipate some significant changes having to be forced through. My own expectation is that the retirement age will have to rise sharply, probably to 70+, matched by greater flexibility and an acceptance of a gradual move through semi retirement to full retirement. Those who retire earlier from their paid employment will probably be expected to do some voluntary work helping the very elderly in order to receive their state pensions. I expect tax changes too, with those on a high retirement income facing higher tax than those on a similar income from employment. I expect to see NI contributions introduced on all income over a threshold, whether you work or not. Such changes would be hugely unpopular who-ever introduced them. Hence the need to take these decisions out of the political dog fight and try to gain cross party acceptance. History does not fill me with hope though! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 02 Jun 19 9.08am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Mmmm....I wouldn't be so sure.

Labour want to re-balance between young and old and I can see inflation increases for pensioners being reduced and some perks going.

I think the Tories will do this as well, but as pensioners form their largest voting block it'll probably be less than what Labour would do.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Jun 2019 10.24pm)

This is probably a subject for another whole thread but the issues we are now witnessing with regard to the rebalancing needed were realised by me about 40 years ago. I could see that a prosperous retired population, living ever longer through medical advances and better fitness, soaking up increased amounts of the national wealth being generated by a decreasing working aged population, was a time bomb.

This is especially true in the public sector where their generous inflation proofed, final salary linked, pensions are funded by current taxation/NI contributions and not by deposits in pension funds, as in the private sector.

I saw it then as an opportunity to be commercially exploited, but also as a huge political problem that would be continually kicked into the long grass by the need to address short term issues. Just as climate change is now.

So I definitely anticipate some significant changes having to be forced through. My own expectation is that the retirement age will have to rise sharply, probably to 70+, matched by greater flexibility and an acceptance of a gradual move through semi retirement to full retirement. Those who retire earlier from their paid employment will probably be expected to do some voluntary work helping the very elderly in order to receive their state pensions.

I expect tax changes too, with those on a high retirement income facing higher tax than those on a similar income from employment. I expect to see NI contributions introduced on all income over a threshold, whether you work or not.

Such changes would be hugely unpopular who-ever introduced them. Hence the need to take these decisions out of the political dog fight and try to gain cross party acceptance. History does not fill me with hope though!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Mapletree Croydon 02 Jun 19 9.20am
I have said many times, there is no rationale for pensioners to cease being liable for paying NIC.

Mapletree

Croydon 02 Jun 19 9.20am

I have said many times, there is no rationale for pensioners to cease being liable for paying NIC.

Mapletree Croydon 02 Jun 19 9.23am
America favours a no deal Brexit. Who’d a thought it. Create a nice soft Britain to mould into a servant state for US interests. It’s so transparent

Mapletree

Croydon 02 Jun 19 9.23am

America favours a no deal Brexit. Who’d a thought it. Create a nice soft Britain to mould into a servant state for US interests. It’s so transparent

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Jun 19 9.26am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I see that Trump has given Boris a ringing endorsement as a potential Prime Minister. Is that the kiss of death for Boris? And today he is criticising the way we have handled the negotiations with the EU and recommending we ask Farage to help with them! Even the most ardent Trump fan must see the absurdity of him making such inflammatory statements just before he arrives here, to meet with Mrs May who has conducted those negotiations. Russia interfered in both the last US Presidential election and our EU referendum. Now the US President is interfering in our politics! It suits some people to see the breakup of the EU. Both Russia and the USA would like it to happen. I don't think it is a coincidence either that Trump's comments on Johnson were made in an interview with the Sun. The latest ones come in an interview with the Sunday Times. See the link? Both are owned by Murdoch! Who also owns Trump's propaganda TV station Fox "News". Does anyone doubt that this all has Murdoch's sticky fingers all over it? Everyone, whatever their political viewpoint is, must be concerned about that. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 02 Jun 19 9.26am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I see that Trump has given Boris a ringing endorsement as a potential Prime Minister.

Is that the kiss of death for Boris?

And today he is criticising the way we have handled the negotiations with the EU and recommending we ask Farage to help with them!

Even the most ardent Trump fan must see the absurdity of him making such inflammatory statements just before he arrives here, to meet with Mrs May who has conducted those negotiations.

Russia interfered in both the last US Presidential election and our EU referendum. Now the US President is interfering in our politics!

It suits some people to see the breakup of the EU. Both Russia and the USA would like it to happen.

I don't think it is a coincidence either that Trump's comments on Johnson were made in an interview with the Sun. The latest ones come in an interview with the Sunday Times.

See the link? Both are owned by Murdoch! Who also owns Trump's propaganda TV station Fox "News".

Does anyone doubt that this all has Murdoch's sticky fingers all over it?

Everyone, whatever their political viewpoint is, must be concerned about that.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Badger11 Beckenham 02 Jun 19 10.14am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle And today he is criticising the way we have handled the negotiations with the EU and recommending we ask Farage to help with them! Even the most ardent Trump fan must see the absurdity of him making such inflammatory statements just before he arrives here, to meet with Mrs May who has conducted those negotiations. Russia interfered in both the last US Presidential election and our EU referendum. Now the US President is interfering in our politics! It suits some people to see the breakup of the EU. Both Russia and the USA would like it to happen. I don't think it is a coincidence either that Trump's comments on Johnson were made in an interview with the Sun. The latest ones come in an interview with the Sunday Times. See the link? Both are owned by Murdoch! Who also owns Trump's propaganda TV station Fox "News". Does anyone doubt that this all has Murdoch's sticky fingers all over it? Everyone, whatever their political viewpoint is, must be concerned about that. I agree foreign politicians should not interfere in UK politics. I assume that you complained when Obama did it. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 02 Jun 19 10.14am