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Hrolf The Ganger 25 Jun 16 10.45am
Originally posted by nickgusset I stood in the booth deliberating for about 5 minutes... Voted remain in the hope that Corbyn would get elected and help build an anti austerity Base with our brothers and sisters across the EU. It was a hard choice but was worried about isolationism of the uk. Was a choice between 2 right wing ideologies wasn't it? Interesting times ahead. Need time for remainers to get over what happened then hopefully all pull together to build a UK (if it doesn't disintegrate with Sinn Fein pushing for a united Ireland as part of the EU and Scotland gaining independence) that isn't corporocentric (made up word of the day) I'm hoping that the Spanish left win tomorrow and the European project fragments because of disaffection across Europe. This is the only chink of light I can see. Otherwise we will be left to rue the Brexit. Edited by nickgusset (25 Jun 2016 10.35am) Next you will tell us that you are going to write a musical about it.

Hrolf The Ganger

25 Jun 16 10.45am

Originally posted by nickgusset

I stood in the booth deliberating for about 5 minutes... Voted remain in the hope that Corbyn would get elected and help build an anti austerity Base with our brothers and sisters across the EU. It was a hard choice but was worried about isolationism of the uk.
Was a choice between 2 right wing ideologies wasn't it?

Interesting times ahead. Need time for remainers to get over what happened then hopefully all pull together to build a UK (if it doesn't disintegrate with Sinn Fein pushing for a united Ireland as part of the EU and Scotland gaining independence) that isn't corporocentric (made up word of the day)

I'm hoping that the Spanish left win tomorrow and the European project fragments because of disaffection across Europe. This is the only chink of light I can see.
Otherwise we will be left to rue the Brexit.

Edited by nickgusset (25 Jun 2016 10.35am)

Next you will tell us that you are going to write a musical about it.

DivingIsNotGood se25 25 Jun 16 10.49am
Originally posted by Rubin No one knows for sure what will happen long term. My guess is that we'll look at EU in 5/10/20 years and think 'thank God we got out when we did', and that's if there's even one left to look at. I'm not sure why the kids are panicking so much about not being able to work in Europe in the future. I'd guess about 1% of them could work over there now due to the lack of jobs, and I think that'll only worsen. If they've got the skills to get a decent job out there, they'll get a work visa anyway. The markets/pound etc were always going to get hit due to uncertainty, and they've had an extra impact from all the gambling that we'd remain. The effects have been no where near as bad as predicted. We can now be a global country instead of just a European one, without any restrictions put on us. Edited by Rubin (25 Jun 2016 10.40am) To be fair, no one knew when we were in the EU what would happen with our financial future. The good news is we are in charge now, well in two years we will be. It's going to be fine, no sorry not fine, is going to great and can concentrate on our own affairs. Would love to see a swiss model in the UK where the politicians are accountable to the common people. VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

DivingIsNotGood

se25 25 Jun 16 10.49am

Originally posted by Rubin

No one knows for sure what will happen long term. My guess is that we'll look at EU in 5/10/20 years and think 'thank God we got out when we did', and that's if there's even one left to look at.

I'm not sure why the kids are panicking so much about not being able to work in Europe in the future. I'd guess about 1% of them could work over there now due to the lack of jobs, and I think that'll only worsen. If they've got the skills to get a decent job out there, they'll get a work visa anyway.

The markets/pound etc were always going to get hit due to uncertainty, and they've had an extra impact from all the gambling that we'd remain. The effects have been no where near as bad as predicted.

We can now be a global country instead of just a European one, without any restrictions put on us.

Edited by Rubin (25 Jun 2016 10.40am)

To be fair, no one knew when we were in the EU what would happen with our financial future. The good news is we are in charge now, well in two years we will be.
It's going to be fine, no sorry not fine, is going to great and can concentrate on our own affairs. Would love to see a swiss model in the UK where the politicians are accountable to the common people.

VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

turkish eagle 25 Jun 16 10.51am
It's not the end of the world. [Link]

turkish eagle

25 Jun 16 10.51am

It's not the end of the world.

[Link]

snytaxx London 25 Jun 16 10.55am
Originally posted by crystal balls FTSE 100 consists mainly of multi-national companies who are largely immune from UK domestic conditions. FTSE 250 is a better indicator of UK conditions, and that fell by 7.2% yesterday, worst fall since Black Friday. Recession later this year almost inevitable, and 4-5 years of uncertainty yet to feed in to the markets fully. Who knows what will happen in 5 years time. I feel that economically we'll be ok eventually, but we're in for a major bumpy ride meanwhile, and anyone retiring in the next few years or looking to borrow money may rue the outcome of the referendum. There were the people who primarily voted for Brexit through I think you will find. Yes its possible that they are wrong and its all one big mistake, however people do tend to lookout for their own interests while voting. I suspect many people in that age group were reasonably confident about the effects on their retirement.

snytaxx

London 25 Jun 16 10.55am

Originally posted by crystal balls

FTSE 100 consists mainly of multi-national companies who are largely immune from UK domestic conditions. FTSE 250 is a better indicator of UK conditions, and that fell by 7.2% yesterday, worst fall since Black Friday. Recession later this year almost inevitable, and 4-5 years of uncertainty yet to feed in to the markets fully.

Who knows what will happen in 5 years time. I feel that economically we'll be ok eventually, but we're in for a major bumpy ride meanwhile, and anyone retiring in the next few years or looking to borrow money may rue the outcome of the referendum.

There were the people who primarily voted for Brexit through I think you will find. Yes its possible that they are wrong and its all one big mistake, however people do tend to lookout for their own interests while voting. I suspect many people in that age group were reasonably confident about the effects on their retirement.

Rubin 25 Jun 16 11.05am
Originally posted by matt_himself I still predict that, despite all the menacing words from Brussels (and I understand why they are saying what they are saying), a deal will be offered to Britain by he EU and we will have another referendum in a year or so to ratify that deal. There is too much at stake for many of the players in this to allow Brexit and contagion to happen. This is completely unprecedented territory. Yes Greenland left he EU in the eighties but there is a World of difference between that and this situation. I still view this as a massive protest vote. The devil will be in the detail and the strength of the negotiating team. I really hope you're wrong. I don't want to remain in the EU in any form. Even if they offered the world and we stayed in, all the benefits there given us would be gradually taken back. Is staying in with big differences in our desk would go against the long term plan of the EU, and other countries would push for the same terms that we'd received which would cause problems. I really do hope that Junker was telling the truth when he said there'd be no negotiations, and that they're gambling on it carrying on being a successful project without us. If that's the case, I wish them all the luck in the world, but again, I think we'll look at the state of it in a decade and be relieved that we left.

Rubin

25 Jun 16 11.05am

Originally posted by matt_himself

I still predict that, despite all the menacing words from Brussels (and I understand why they are saying what they are saying), a deal will be offered to Britain by he EU and we will have another referendum in a year or so to ratify that deal.

There is too much at stake for many of the players in this to allow Brexit and contagion to happen. This is completely unprecedented territory. Yes Greenland left he EU in the eighties but there is a World of difference between that and this situation.

I still view this as a massive protest vote. The devil will be in the detail and the strength of the negotiating team.

I really hope you're wrong. I don't want to remain in the EU in any form. Even if they offered the world and we stayed in, all the benefits there given us would be gradually taken back.

Is staying in with big differences in our desk would go against the long term plan of the EU, and other countries would push for the same terms that we'd received which would cause problems.

I really do hope that Junker was telling the truth when he said there'd be no negotiations, and that they're gambling on it carrying on being a successful project without us. If that's the case, I wish them all the luck in the world, but again, I think we'll look at the state of it in a decade and be relieved that we left.

Hrolf The Ganger 25 Jun 16 11.06am
Originally posted by nickgusset You actually replied to Mapletree's daughter there. Did you realise. She is too young to vote so is powerless to do anything about our decision. Nope. Well I'm prepared to forgive the young for being a little emotional, but not rude.

Hrolf The Ganger

25 Jun 16 11.06am

Originally posted by nickgusset

You actually replied to Mapletree's daughter there. Did you realise. She is too young to vote so is powerless to do anything about our decision.

Nope.

Well I'm prepared to forgive the young for being a little emotional, but not rude.

Percy of Peckham Eton Mess 25 Jun 16 11.07am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Next you will tell us that you are going to write a musical about it. Would make a fabulous show ...have we worked out the finale yet? Denial is not just a river in Egypt!

Percy of Peckham

Eton Mess 25 Jun 16 11.07am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Next you will tell us that you are going to write a musical about it.

Would make a fabulous show ...have we worked out the finale yet?

Denial is not just a river in Egypt!

Percy of Peckham Eton Mess 25 Jun 16 11.08am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Nope. Well I'm prepared to forgive the young for being a little emotional, but not rude. I say we should bring back the cane! Denial is not just a river in Egypt!

Percy of Peckham

Eton Mess 25 Jun 16 11.08am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Nope.

Well I'm prepared to forgive the young for being a little emotional, but not rude.

I say we should bring back the cane!

Denial is not just a river in Egypt!

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Jun 16 11.10am
Originally posted by turkish eagle It's not the end of the world. [Link] An excellent read as always. It will take time for the disappointment that those who voted remain to disappear. Shame on those who have not been magnanimous in victory. But the remainers will come to terms with the result. The vote to exit was, IMHO, a protest vote against the political state we are in. Quite rightly people feel Westminster is out of touch with Joe Public despite politicians assertions that they are not. Let's just hope people don't vote for more of the same in the inevitable GE that will happen soon.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 25 Jun 16 11.10am

Originally posted by turkish eagle

It's not the end of the world.

[Link]

An excellent read as always. It will take time for the disappointment that those who voted remain to disappear. Shame on those who have not been magnanimous in victory. But the remainers will come to terms with the result.

The vote to exit was, IMHO, a protest vote against the political state we are in. Quite rightly people feel Westminster is out of touch with Joe Public despite politicians assertions that they are not.
Let's just hope people don't vote for more of the same in the inevitable GE that will happen soon.

snytaxx London 25 Jun 16 11.12am
Originally posted by Kermit8 You have opened Pandora's Box but you are a glass three quarter full man. Everything is going to be rosy. Unfortunately, for places like Northern Ireland where the EU has helped significantly in forcing the peace and Cornwall and Wales who have had billions in EU help and for those whose jobs go and bills rise until we get to the 'promised land' five years hence it won't necessarily feel like Brexit was a positive. I really think you need more faith in humanity. Northern Ireland is a very interesting example with some unionists backing remain (UUP) and other backing leave (DUP). I spoke in depth with a friend who lives literally two minutes from the border (he is a nationalist). He told me he was of course worried about the idea of a hard border and that he wanted to live in an EU country. I put the following to him and I put to you however: - Lets say Sinn Fein break cover and demand a referendum on a united Ireland. Would they have the backing from the rest of the people in NI? Lets say they did (right now) have that backing, However they probably wouldn't be able to legally force a referendum until about 2020 at the earliest due to the terms of the Belfast agreement. By then Brexit should be showing real economic promise and you have to take into account other factors which we might not know of right now. If SF lost said referendum, they have then blown any chances of a united Ireland away for many decades. Something tells me they wont actually try and force one until they know they are dead certain to win it. Still lets see - The other thing to note regarding the border is this. I don't know anyone in the Leave campaign who wanted a hard border with the ROI. Not even the pro leave NI minister wants that. This doesn't mean the Republic won't put up border control on their side, but how will that go down with the local nationalists? Something tells me there will be a whole lot of bluster but no actual change. At least not until Brexit is achieved.

snytaxx

London 25 Jun 16 11.12am

Originally posted by Kermit8

You have opened Pandora's Box but you are a glass three quarter full man. Everything is going to be rosy. Unfortunately, for places like Northern Ireland where the EU has helped significantly in forcing the peace and Cornwall and Wales who have had billions in EU help and for those whose jobs go and bills rise until we get to the 'promised land' five years hence it won't necessarily feel like Brexit was a positive.

I really think you need more faith in humanity. Northern Ireland is a very interesting example with some unionists backing remain (UUP) and other backing leave (DUP). I spoke in depth with a friend who lives literally two minutes from the border (he is a nationalist). He told me he was of course worried about the idea of a hard border and that he wanted to live in an EU country. I put the following to him and I put to you however:

- Lets say Sinn Fein break cover and demand a referendum on a united Ireland. Would they have the backing from the rest of the people in NI? Lets say they did (right now) have that backing, However they probably wouldn't be able to legally force a referendum until about 2020 at the earliest due to the terms of the Belfast agreement. By then Brexit should be showing real economic promise and you have to take into account other factors which we might not know of right now. If SF lost said referendum, they have then blown any chances of a united Ireland away for many decades. Something tells me they wont actually try and force one until they know they are dead certain to win it. Still lets see

- The other thing to note regarding the border is this. I don't know anyone in the Leave campaign who wanted a hard border with the ROI. Not even the pro leave NI minister wants that. This doesn't mean the Republic won't put up border control on their side, but how will that go down with the local nationalists? Something tells me there will be a whole lot of bluster but no actual change. At least not until Brexit is achieved.

matt_himself Matataland 25 Jun 16 11.14am
Originally posted by Rubin I really hope you're wrong. I don't want to remain in the EU in any form. Even if they offered the world and we stayed in, all the benefits there given us would be gradually taken back. Is staying in with big differences in our desk would go against the long term plan of the EU, and other countries would push for the same terms that we'd received which would cause problems. I really do hope that Junker was telling the truth when he said there'd be no negotiations, and that they're gambling on it carrying on being a successful project without us. If that's the case, I wish them all the luck in the world, but again, I think we'll look at the state of it in a decade and be relieved that we left. I wrote the original as a Brexiter and UKIP voter of many years. I just don't believe the EU can allow itself to collapse. There are pro exit rumblings in many countries and contagion is a real possibility. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 25 Jun 16 11.14am

Originally posted by Rubin

I really hope you're wrong. I don't want to remain in the EU in any form. Even if they offered the world and we stayed in, all the benefits there given us would be gradually taken back.

Is staying in with big differences in our desk would go against the long term plan of the EU, and other countries would push for the same terms that we'd received which would cause problems.

I wrote the original as a Brexiter and UKIP voter of many years.

I just don't believe the EU can allow itself to collapse. There are pro exit rumblings in many countries and contagion is a real possibility.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

snytaxx London 25 Jun 16 11.17am
Originally posted by nickgusset An excellent read as always. It will take time for the disappointment that those who voted remain to disappear. Shame on those who have not been magnanimous in victory. But the remainers will come to terms with the result. The vote to exit was, IMHO, a protest vote against the political state we are in. Quite rightly people feel Westminster is out of touch with Joe Public despite politicians assertions that they are not. Let's just hope people don't vote for more of the same in the inevitable GE that will happen soon. I think this is good news for the left actually. Depending on who the next PM is (Boris perhaps), the traditional labour voters who came out for leave will probably desert UKIP and vote Labour again (also depending on who is in charge). The key thing will be is whether or not Labour honour vote leaves referendum pledges i.e. the Australian style points system which UKIP kept harping on about. As long as parties honour a reformed style of immigration, I imagine this will mean that UKIP begins to slip by the wayside as what will they be able to put in their manifesto once you take out the BREXIT and the immigrations stuff?

snytaxx

London 25 Jun 16 11.17am

Originally posted by nickgusset

I think this is good news for the left actually.

Depending on who the next PM is (Boris perhaps), the traditional labour voters who came out for leave will probably desert UKIP and vote Labour again (also depending on who is in charge). The key thing will be is whether or not Labour honour vote leaves referendum pledges i.e. the Australian style points system which UKIP kept harping on about. As long as parties honour a reformed style of immigration, I imagine this will mean that UKIP begins to slip by the wayside as what will they be able to put in their manifesto once you take out the BREXIT and the immigrations stuff?

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Jun 16 11.19am
Originally posted by matt_himself I wrote the original as a Brexiter and UKIP voter of many years. I just don't believe the EU can allow itself to collapse. There are pro exit rumblings in many countries and contagion is a real possibility. The dastardly EU are telling the UK to get on with invoking 'Article 50' instead of waiting for October.Doesn't sound like they are even contemplating a new deal.In any event they couldn't offer a deal with NO free movement of Labour !

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Jun 16 11.19am

Originally posted by matt_himself

I wrote the original as a Brexiter and UKIP voter of many years.

I just don't believe the EU can allow itself to collapse. There are pro exit rumblings in many countries and contagion is a real possibility.

The dastardly EU are telling the UK to get on with invoking 'Article 50' instead of waiting for October.Doesn't sound like they are even contemplating a new deal.In any event they couldn't offer a deal with NO free movement of Labour !

snytaxx London 25 Jun 16 11.22am
Originally posted by Willo The dastardly EU are telling the UK to get on with invoking 'Article 50' instead of waiting for October.Doesn't sound like they are even contemplating a new deal.In any event they couldn't offer a deal with NO free movement of Labour ! I almost feel that we shouldn't leave now. Just as one last epic troll to Brussels. I kid of course.

snytaxx

London 25 Jun 16 11.22am

Originally posted by Willo

I almost feel that we shouldn't leave now. Just as one last epic troll to Brussels.

I kid of course.

matt_himself Matataland 25 Jun 16 11.24am
Originally posted by Willo The dastardly EU are telling the UK to get on with invoking 'Article 50' instead of waiting for October.Doesn't sound like they are even contemplating a new deal.In any event they couldn't offer a deal with NO free movement of Labour ! It's all part of the game. Mark my words, this is far from over. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 25 Jun 16 11.24am

Originally posted by Willo

It's all part of the game. Mark my words, this is far from over.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Jun 16 11.26am
Originally posted by Kermit8 You have opened Pandora's Box but you are a glass three quarter full man. Everything is going to be rosy. Unfortunately, for places like Northern Ireland where the EU has helped significantly in forcing the peace and Cornwall and Wales who have had billions in EU help and for those whose jobs go and bills rise until we get to the 'promised land' five years hence it won't necessarily feel like Brexit was a positive. I now live in Cornwall and I cannot believe some of the attitudes I hear here. They have voted leave by a big margin and just seem to think that the EU funding they have had doesn't matter. The response I get everywhere is "Don't worry, it will be OK". It won't be OK, unless something is done. I have given up trying to debate with the leavers. Now is not the time to bang my head against the doors of the stupid. Enough of them will come to their senses pretty soon and wish they had voted remain. There will always be a hard core of UKIP types, because, along with the poor, the stupid will always be among us, but they need to be marginalised, rather than engaged. They are beyond reason. Now is the time to galvanise our politicians and ensure they do their duty. This was not a decisive vote. Now people can see that the forecasted impact was all true, and that the leave campaign was built on lies, if we held another referendum I am 100% sure the result would now be very different. If the Scots can get a second referendum as a consequence of this then so can we! It will require our politicians to grow balls and accept the break up of the current parties, but that is also a very desirable outcome. That is where my attention is now focussed. That is where a difference can be made. The right wing nasties need to be cast off and the UK truly reclaimed. For all those middle of the road, normally silent, peace loving people, who are neither left nor right but just ordinary decent people. Maybe the Norwegian option can be invoked? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 25 Jun 16 11.26am

Originally posted by Kermit8

I now live in Cornwall and I cannot believe some of the attitudes I hear here. They have voted leave by a big margin and just seem to think that the EU funding they have had doesn't matter. The response I get everywhere is "Don't worry, it will be OK". It won't be OK, unless something is done. I have given up trying to debate with the leavers. Now is not the time to bang my head against the doors of the stupid. Enough of them will come to their senses pretty soon and wish they had voted remain. There will always be a hard core of UKIP types, because, along with the poor, the stupid will always be among us, but they need to be marginalised, rather than engaged. They are beyond reason. Now is the time to galvanise our politicians and ensure they do their duty. This was not a decisive vote. Now people can see that the forecasted impact was all true, and that the leave campaign was built on lies, if we held another referendum I am 100% sure the result would now be very different.

If the Scots can get a second referendum as a consequence of this then so can we! It will require our politicians to grow balls and accept the break up of the current parties, but that is also a very desirable outcome.

That is where my attention is now focussed. That is where a difference can be made. The right wing nasties need to be cast off and the UK truly reclaimed. For all those middle of the road, normally silent, peace loving people, who are neither left nor right but just ordinary decent people.

Maybe the Norwegian option can be invoked?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Mapletree Croydon 25 Jun 16 11.29am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger How old are you Mapletree? You carry on like a schoolboy. I promise you that the Sun will still come up tomorrow.Try to put things into some sort of perspective and don't assume that you will live longer than me because judging by the way you worry about things I wouldn't be so sure. How's your blood pressure? You clearly have had very little adversity in your life if you go into a tail spin so easily. I have had a great deal of adversity in my life, the list would be long and boring. I just have (mostly) chosen not to bring that down upon myself. I do not assume I shall live longer than you, I hope my children will. But my blood pressure is good I am a realist, realistically this was an incredibly foolish move. Maybe we shall recover from it but my opinion is that is more of a hope than a strong likelihood. So now we have to work very hard and also hope. It didn't have to be this way.

Mapletree

Croydon 25 Jun 16 11.29am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

How old are you Mapletree? You carry on like a schoolboy.

I promise you that the Sun will still come up tomorrow.Try to put things into some sort of perspective and don't assume that you will live longer than me because judging by the way you worry about things I wouldn't be so sure. How's your blood pressure?

You clearly have had very little adversity in your life if you go into a tail spin so easily.

I have had a great deal of adversity in my life, the list would be long and boring.

I just have (mostly) chosen not to bring that down upon myself.

I do not assume I shall live longer than you, I hope my children will.

But my blood pressure is good

I am a realist, realistically this was an incredibly foolish move. Maybe we shall recover from it but my opinion is that is more of a hope than a strong likelihood. So now we have to work very hard and also hope. It didn't have to be this way.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Jun 16 11.30am
Originally posted by matt_himself It's all part of the game. Mark my words, this is far from over. [Link]

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Jun 16 11.30am

Originally posted by matt_himself

It's all part of the game. Mark my words, this is far from over.

[Link]

Mapletree Croydon 25 Jun 16 11.32am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays At least slightly more than half of Britain has balls. Great countries aren't fashioned by faint hearts. Brexit is a positive and will be regarded as a positive long term. It will be difficult due to the EU's reaction but in the long term this country will succeed and govern itself. Believers in the nation state all around Europe are rejoicing and the federalists and globalists have had this coming: undemocratic bully boys. Viva democracy. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jun 2016 9.11am) Daft rhetoric. You have to look at the economics. Without money there are no options. We are going to deeply impact our economy. But hey, we can be proud of our crippled countries (Wales and England that is, Scotland will certainly clear off).

Mapletree

Croydon 25 Jun 16 11.32am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

At least slightly more than half of Britain has balls. Great countries aren't fashioned by faint hearts.

Brexit is a positive and will be regarded as a positive long term. It will be difficult due to the EU's reaction but in the long term this country will succeed and govern itself.

Believers in the nation state all around Europe are rejoicing and the federalists and globalists have had this coming: undemocratic bully boys.

Viva democracy.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jun 2016 9.11am)

Daft rhetoric.

You have to look at the economics. Without money there are no options. We are going to deeply impact our economy. But hey, we can be proud of our crippled countries (Wales and England that is, Scotland will certainly clear off).

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 25 Jun 16 11.33am
Originally posted by Willo [Link] Sore losers comes to mind !! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 25 Jun 16 11.33am

Originally posted by Willo

[Link]

Sore losers comes to mind !!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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