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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Nov 21 7.58am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
"... words falls upon the facts like soft snow, blurring the outline and covering up all the details. The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns as it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish spurting out ink." [Orwell] Edited by georgenorman (16 Nov 2021 7.14am) Might I respectfully suggest that instead of quoting wise words from a deep thinker, valuable though they undoubtably are, that you quietly reflect upon them yourself. Should you do so, you will perhaps realise how relevant they are to you.
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georgenorman 16 Nov 21 8.06am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Might I respectfully suggest that instead of quoting wise words from a deep thinker, valuable though they undoubtably are, that you quietly reflect upon them yourself. Should you do so, you will perhaps realise how relevant they are to you. "political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness" [Orwell]
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Teddy Eagle 16 Nov 21 8.06am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You are missing the point, not me! They haven't expressed an opinion on what I suggested. The questions they were asked were entirely different. What the poll reveals is all it reveals. It has no bearing at all And it revealed 62% of people living in the country concerned, many of whom voted for Biden, don’t think he’s doing a good job.
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Badger11 Beckenham 16 Nov 21 8.25am | |
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Lots of stories around today that VP Kamala and Joe have fallen out. It's hardly surprising and has happened many time before. The VP role is a thankless task you are the "spare". If the President is doing well he hogs all the big stuff, if he is doing badly in the polls he wont let you do any of the big stuff as he doesn't want the media making comparisons. All Kamla can do is sit tight and wait for sleepy Joe to resign probably around the same time as Trump is indicted for the Russia stuff. Any day now, any day.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Nov 21 3.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
And it revealed 62% of people living in the country concerned, many of whom voted for Biden, don’t think he’s doing a good job. No doubt true, but has nothing at all with the point I made. Which was should Trump, hypothetically, still be President, then his ratings would have continued to plummet. Those in the seat are judged on what they actually do, which is often restricted by events and others, whilst those who are not can paint beautiful pictures of how wonderful it would be, if only......... Add to that the level of misinformation that circulates these days, which Trump harvested to his benefit and continues to do, and you end up where we are. A huge divide, unheard of levels of distrust and people believing the untrue and not the true. Putin must be laughing his socks off at how easy it has been. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (16 Nov 2021 3.47pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Nov 21 3.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Lots of stories around today that VP Kamala and Joe have fallen out. It's hardly surprising and has happened many time before. The VP role is a thankless task you are the "spare". If the President is doing well he hogs all the big stuff, if he is doing badly in the polls he wont let you do any of the big stuff as he doesn't want the media making comparisons. All Kamla can do is sit tight and wait for sleepy Joe to resign probably around the same time as Trump is indicted for the Russia stuff. Any day now, any day. I have no idea if that's true, but it seems illogical. I think there was always a plan for him to stand down, either in 2024 or even before, with Harris keeping a low profile whilst the anticipated brown stuff flew around. Whether that coincides with Trump being indicted, we will have to wait and see. I doubt though whether it will be for "Russia". Too much opportunity for him to paint himself as a martyr, while he strings out the process. They nailed Al Capone for tax evasion. I have a hunch that's what will finish him.
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Stirlingsays 16 Nov 21 4.01pm | |
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This guy carries on and on about Trump......has anyone told him yet that he isn't in power. It's not about which is the biggest liar....if they were ruling as two presidents perhaps it would be a relevant conservation...and unlike you with Biden I can freely admit that Trump lies and distorts and I say and criticise him for it.....but let's get it right, Trump only exists as a kingmaker in Republicanism...he isn't in charge running America. Constantly bringing him up, in relation to Biden's policies, a year after he's left office is pointless distraction. Also no, I don't regard people who disagree with me as liars....Where on earth do you get that from? If I think someone is a liar I point it out. I maintain back and forth with people I disagree with and I don't spend my time calling them liars because, by and large, they aren't. You however are a clear liar and I'm hardly the only one to point that out. Whether I agree with someone or not I value honesty and, in my view, society is much the poorer for it when it trades genuine speech for a disingenuous version. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Nov 2021 4.32pm)
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Teddy Eagle 16 Nov 21 4.08pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No doubt true, but has nothing at all with the point I made. Which was should Trump, hypothetically, still be President, then his ratings would have continued to plummet. Those in the seat are judged on what they actually do, which is often restricted by events and others, whilst those who are not can paint beautiful pictures of how wonderful it would be, if only......... Add to that the level of misinformation that circulates these days, which Trump harvested to his benefit and continues to do, and you end up where we are. A huge divide, unheard of levels of distrust and people believing the untrue and not the true. Putin must be laughing his socks off at how easy it has been. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (16 Nov 2021 3.47pm) Speculating about hypotheses. OK. I seem to remember Trump’s ratings being held up as evidence of how terrible a job he was doing but it’s different for Biden. Similarly Trump lied but Biden is a selective truth teller who only tells lies when it’s politically expedient - which as he’s a politician is all the time.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Nov 21 5.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Speculating about hypotheses. OK. I seem to remember Trump’s ratings being held up as evidence of how terrible a job he was doing but it’s different for Biden. Similarly Trump lied but Biden is a selective truth teller who only tells lies when it’s politically expedient - which as he’s a politician is all the time. You had no need to respond to my original speculation, but you did and did so erroneously. I never held up Trump's ratings as being evidence for anything, other than those being his ratings. Him doing a terrible job was evidenced every day by Trump himself. Nothing else required. Trump doesn't just lie. He has no concept of what truth actually is, and simply regards his opinion as the truth. He holds other opinions in contempt and bullies, then fires anyone in his orbit who dares to disagree. Just look at the list of people who came and went in his administration. Anyone half decent, who was not already a close associate, got fired after criticising something. The only ones who survived were those who were already beholden to him and just the yes men he craves. Look at the books which have been written by those he fired and the accounts of the bullying, lying and crass decision-making. Trying to establish any kind of equivalence between Trump and Biden is a sad joke. Biden might be ineffective and potentially senile, but he isn't a criminally inclined, reality TV star, bully and serial liar.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Nov 21 5.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
This guy carries on and on about Trump......has anyone told him yet that he isn't in power. It's not about which is the biggest liar....if they were ruling as two presidents perhaps it would be a relevant conservation...and unlike you with Biden I can freely admit that Trump lies and distorts and I say and criticise him for it.....but let's get it right, Trump only exists as a kingmaker in Republicanism...he isn't in charge running America. Constantly bringing him up, in relation to Biden's policies, a year after he's left office is pointless distraction. Also no, I don't regard people who disagree with me as liars....Where on earth do you get that from? If I think someone is a liar I point it out. I maintain back and forth with people I disagree with and I don't spend my time calling them liars because, by and large, they aren't. You however are a clear liar and I'm hardly the only one to point that out. Whether I agree with someone or not I value honesty and, in my view, society is much the poorer for it when it trades genuine speech for a disingenuous version. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Nov 2021 4.32pm) You have frequently made this assertion, without ever providing the slightest amount of evidence. That, sir, is libel. I offer opinions, that you disagree with. That's not lying. It's disagreeing. Why do I still bang on about Trump? Only because others seek to try to suggest that Biden is no better than Trump was, in an effort to establish equivalence. That matters, for whether he stands, or merely endorses someone else, Trump's reputation needs to be judged for what it really was, and not whitewashed. You may wish to bury that and concentrate on throwing mud at someone who you don't like. Not me though. I see Trump as a continuing danger both to the USA and the rest of the world.
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Teddy Eagle 16 Nov 21 5.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You had no need to respond to my original speculation, but you did and did so erroneously. I never held up Trump's ratings as being evidence for anything, other than those being his ratings. Him doing a terrible job was evidenced every day by Trump himself. Nothing else required. Trump doesn't just lie. He has no concept of what truth actually is, and simply regards his opinion as the truth. He holds other opinions in contempt and bullies, then fires anyone in his orbit who dares to disagree. Just look at the list of people who came and went in his administration. Anyone half decent, who was not already a close associate, got fired after criticising something. The only ones who survived were those who were already beholden to him and just the yes men he craves. Look at the books which have been written by those he fired and the accounts of the bullying, lying and crass decision-making. Trying to establish any kind of equivalence between Trump and Biden is a sad joke. Biden might be ineffective and potentially senile, but he isn't a criminally inclined, reality TV star, bully and serial liar. You’re right it is a sad joke. An ineffectual and potentially senile person is a better option because he lies less often. Who would trust him to run a bath let alone a country?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Nov 21 6.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
You’re right it is a sad joke. An ineffectual and potentially senile person is a better option because he lies less often. Who would trust him to run a bath let alone a country? Trump's sins go much, much further than just being a serial liar. There is just no comparison with Biden, or indeed, any other President. Trump is a standalone candidate for worst ever. No-one gets within a country mile. As I said before, Mickey Mouse would be a better option than Trump. Biden at least has chosen a team, and listens to them. We no longer have a narcissistic, ill-informed, impetuous and dangerous man making policy on the hoof, just because he believes he knows best about everything.
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