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 BarEagle  Monmouth 03 Jun 19 3.58pm |
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Has anybody noticed Trump is a Palace fan?! He is wearing a Palace tie (2nd picture down). No wonder he is so happy.
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EverybodyDannsNow  SE19 03 Jun 19 4.31pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Do you seriously think people take what you have just written seriously. In one breath trump is a disaster the second breath trump would only do a good deal for America. Edited by dannyboy1978 (02 Jun 2019 1.04pm) Whilst I don’t particularly agree with Wisbech’s posts on this topic, could you explain how he is any more biased than you?
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 03 Jun 19 4.34pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
And why, he said expecting a stupid answer, do you think there is a 'nationalist wave'? Because people are not happy with their lot, for a variety of reasons, and it’s an outlet. It’s existence doesn’t make them right. You’re far too clued up to really believe Trump and Farage are men of the people surely Hrolf?
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 03 Jun 19 4.48pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
You’re far too clued up to really believe Trump and Farage are men of the people surely Hrolf? It's depends on how you define it. One thing for sure is neither are 'career politicians' unlike the majority who have gone straight to government from education and will do what they can to stay there. Trump and Farage are not globalists and believe in the people of nation states which resonates.
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| Mapletree Croydon 03 Jun 19 4.49pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Just copying your style Maple old son in between HR & you're diplomatic work in Albania,Macedonia or other Balkan hot spots you visit. What makes you think I visit, or have visited, Albania or Macedonia? I think your stint in the US has resulted in map myopia.
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cpfc_chap  koh samui 03 Jun 19 4.54pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No-one should accept a vote which was compromised by Russian interference. However the Democrats are now 100% concentrated on Trump's failings and not on that, whereas Trump still routinely criticises Hilary etc. Trump is so objectionable, and downright dangerous and doesn't observe any of the conventional diplomatic niceties that I fail to see why we should not respond in the same way. Only by doing so would we stand a chance of reversing this idiocy. Flattering him is all he wants and we belittle ourselves by doing so. I am 100% with Khan and his comments. Well done by him for calling him out. I did not mention the "far right" in my post. Trump isn't really far right because he isn't really anything but Trump, but he draws support from them and they manipulate him. Puppets don't make good leaders. You really need to give up on the Russian bulls***! The people put the x on the ballot paper not the Russians!
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| cpfc_chap koh samui 03 Jun 19 5.00pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
What makes you think I visit, or have visited, Albania or Macedonia? I think your stint in the US has resulted in map myopia. Well you do come across on here that you've done everything and been everywhere!
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| Mapletree Croydon 03 Jun 19 5.07pm |
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Originally posted by cpfc_chap
Well you do come across on here that you've done everything and been everywhere! Really? Some people are just lucky I guess.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 03 Jun 19 5.09pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Because people are not happy with their lot, for a variety of reasons, and it’s an outlet. It’s existence doesn’t make them right. You’re far too clued up to really believe Trump and Farage are men of the people surely Hrolf? Of course I don't, but they are the enemy of the enemy. I believe that people have very real concerns about where this country is heading and they will support anyone who supports that position. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (03 Jun 2019 5.09pm)
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 03 Jun 19 5.10pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
It's depends on how you define it. One thing for sure is neither are 'career politicians' unlike the majority who have gone straight to government from education and will do what they can to stay there. Trump and Farage are not globalists and believe in the people of nation states which resonates. I’m hesitant to comment too much on Trump as I don’t follow American politics anywhere near as much and can’t claim to know much about the history of his politics. My belief is that Farage believes in whatever gains him popularity at the time; he may not be a career politician, but he’s learned to play the game as well as anyone. I don’t have any glimmer of a belief that he gives a s*** about the majority of the public.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 03 Jun 19 5.11pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Of course I don't, but they are the enemy of the enemy. I believe that people have very real concerns about where this country is heading and they will support anyone who supports that position. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (03 Jun 2019 5.09pm) A fair summary, but to me Trump/Farage just represent another arm of the establishment - they’re opportunists capitalising on people’s frustrations, saying all of the right things with very little in the way of meaningful anti-establishment change.
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| Mapletree Croydon 03 Jun 19 5.15pm |
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Originally posted by BarEagle
Has anybody noticed Trump is a Palace fan?! He is wearing a Palace tie (2nd picture down). No wonder he is so happy. I hadn't realised they make them so long.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 03 Jun 19 5.17pm |
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Originally posted by cpfc_chap
Well you do come across on here that you've done everything and been everywhere! It's called lying at best and delusional at worst. At least he is polite and has considered opinions. That has got to be worth something on the internet. It's just a pity that he such a lefty apologist.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 03 Jun 19 5.21pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
A fair summary, but to me Trump/Farage just represent another arm of the establishment - they’re opportunists capitalising on people’s frustrations, saying all of the right things with very little in the way of meaningful anti-establishment change. What else could one hope for? Terrorists? Hitler? We have to be careful what wish for. I'm for change through public consensus.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 03 Jun 19 5.42pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I’m hesitant to comment too much on Trump as I don’t follow American politics anywhere near as much and can’t claim to know much about the history of his politics. My belief is that Farage believes in whatever gains him popularity at the time; he may not be a career politician, but he’s learned to play the game as well as anyone. I don’t have any glimmer of a belief that he gives a s*** about the majority of the public. What does 'play the game' mean? Being a successful politician – one of the most influential in a generation? The majority voted for Brexit so I'd say that he is in the side of it. Edited by Penge Eagle (03 Jun 2019 5.52pm)
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 03 Jun 19 5.50pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
What does 'play the game' mean? Being a successful politician – one of the most influential in a generation? The majority voted for Brexit so I'd say that he does give a s***. Telling people what they want to hear would be an example of playing the game - being a ‘successful’ politician isn’t proof to the contrary - see Tony Blair. The fact a majority voted for Brexit doesn’t prove anything in relation to Farage’s motives.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 03 Jun 19 5.58pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Telling people what they want to hear would be an example of playing the game - being a ‘successful’ politician isn’t proof to the contrary - see Tony Blair. The fact a majority voted for Brexit doesn’t prove anything in relation to Farage’s motives. He's been the most consistent politician with his EU stance for about a decade. Remember when he was derided by MPs, journalists and attacked by protesters for this stance and even mentioning the word 'immigration'. So 'playing the game' would have been what all the other MPs had done, said nothing, and now a few have some balls to talk about immigration. You're all so vague. What are his nefarious 'motives' you speak of?
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 03 Jun 19 6.07pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
He's been the most consistent politician with his EU stance for about a decade. Remember when he was derided by MPs, journalists and attacked by protesters for this stance and even mentioning the word 'immigration'. So 'playing the game' would have been what all the other MPs had done, said nothing, and now a few have some balls to talk about immigration. You're all so vague. What are his nefarious 'motives' you speak of?
Who is ‘you all’? I suspect his motives are the same as most; money, fame, influence. His Brexit position and the friends that brings has earned him a stay in a £13k a month mansion in Chelsea for example.. it’s not that hard to understand why that would be attractive.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 03 Jun 19 6.39pm |
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Originally posted by daven
To me its a bit like being in the forces. When you salute an officer you are saluting the rank not the person. i love Jeremy Corbyn. He will keep the Labour scum in the wilderness for another couple of decades.
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