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Stuk Top half 21 Dec 16 2.07pm
It's been held by Labour since forever too, so a proper test of whether Corbyn has alienated their voters. Optimistic as ever

Stuk

Top half 21 Dec 16 2.07pm

It's been held by Labour since forever too, so a proper test of whether Corbyn has alienated their voters.

Optimistic as ever

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 Dec 16 4.40pm
Originally posted by matt_himself They are turning on Corbyn: [Link] You really need to understand basic grammar young man. How can 1 person be referred to as 'they'? Is it part of 'Lily' syndrome?

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 21 Dec 16 4.40pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

They are turning on Corbyn:

[Link]

You really need to understand basic grammar young man. How can 1 person be referred to as 'they'? Is it part of 'Lily' syndrome?

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 21 Dec 16 8.42pm
Originally posted by We are goin up! Jamie Reed, MP in a marginal constituency, has resigned his post and there will be a by-election in January. He's got a majority of about 2,000 and UKIP got 15% at the GE, will be a very hard fought race and big test for Corbyn. He'll fail it obvs. To be fair to Jamie Reed working at Sellafield is the only way a Labour MP is going to get into power. the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 21 Dec 16 8.42pm

Originally posted by We are goin up!

Jamie Reed, MP in a marginal constituency, has resigned his post and there will be a by-election in January. He's got a majority of about 2,000 and UKIP got 15% at the GE, will be a very hard fought race and big test for Corbyn. He'll fail it obvs.

To be fair to Jamie Reed working at Sellafield is the only way a Labour MP is going to get into power.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 Dec 16 8.44pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch To be fair to Jamie Reed working at Sellafield is the only way a Labour MP is going to get into power. Boom tish.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 21 Dec 16 8.44pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

To be fair to Jamie Reed working at Sellafield is the only way a Labour MP is going to get into power.

Boom tish.

matt_himself Matataland 01 Jan 17 7.06am
You can't help but feel that he has finally lost it: [Link] It is historically wrong to claim that Henry VII ignored Parliament. Far from it. In his day he transferred power from the Church to Parliament. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 01 Jan 17 7.06am

You can't help but feel that he has finally lost it:

[Link]

It is historically wrong to claim that Henry VII ignored Parliament. Far from it. In his day he transferred power from the Church to Parliament.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

steeleye20 Croydon 01 Jan 17 11.18am
You mean Henry VIII I guess. JC,s put down of the PM trying to use the royal prerogative is exactly what is happening. Don't see any of the media actually disagreeing with what he said. Henry VIII gave more powers to parliament? If you say so but they came with the warning 'Don't lose your head!!!!!!'

steeleye20

Croydon 01 Jan 17 11.18am

You mean Henry VIII I guess.

JC,s put down of the PM trying to use the royal prerogative is exactly what is happening.

Don't see any of the media actually disagreeing with what he said.

Henry VIII gave more powers to parliament? If you say so but they came with the warning 'Don't lose your head!!!!!!'

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 01 Jan 17 11.38am
Originally posted by steeleye20 You mean Henry VIII I guess. JC,s put down of the PM trying to use the royal prerogative is exactly what is happening. Don't see any of the media actually disagreeing with what he said. Henry VIII gave more powers to parliament? If you say so but they came with the warning 'Don't lose your head!!!!!! Kinda funny when the day after the referendum he asked the Prime Minister to use the Royal Perogative to invoke Article 50 the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 01 Jan 17 11.38am

Originally posted by steeleye20

You mean Henry VIII I guess.

JC,s put down of the PM trying to use the royal prerogative is exactly what is happening.

Don't see any of the media actually disagreeing with what he said.

Henry VIII gave more powers to parliament? If you say so but they came with the warning 'Don't lose your head!!!!!!

Kinda funny when the day after the referendum he asked the Prime Minister to use the Royal Perogative to invoke Article 50

the dignified don't even enter in the game

steeleye20 Croydon 01 Jan 17 11.57am
Can't think of any reason why he would have said that even if its true. I think he is unelectable too but not particularly because he is too left-wing the key to me is that the 48% remainers have no-one to vote for - they aren't going to vote for the man who let them down. There are other factors of course but brexit dominates unfortunately. Quite like JC he is good shape for his age too must be the allotment or cycling round Cuba.

steeleye20

Croydon 01 Jan 17 11.57am

Can't think of any reason why he would have said that even if its true.

I think he is unelectable too but not particularly because he is too left-wing the key to me is that the 48% remainers have no-one to vote for - they aren't going to vote for the man who let them down.

There are other factors of course but brexit dominates unfortunately.

Quite like JC he is good shape for his age too must be the allotment or cycling round Cuba.

Hoof Hearted 03 Jan 17 11.37am
[Link] Seems like even the Fabian Society have given up on Labour/Corbyn? Please note the source comrades - The Guardian.... so you can't accuse me of peddling right wing propaganda! Still... these are selling well in the January sales... Attachment: Corbyn Trouser Press.jpg (41.87Kb)

Hoof Hearted 03 Jan 17 11.37am

[Link]

Seems like even the Fabian Society have given up on Labour/Corbyn?

Please note the source comrades - The Guardian.... so you can't accuse me of peddling right wing propaganda!

Still... these are selling well in the January sales...

Attachment: Corbyn Trouser Press.jpg (41.87Kb)

steeleye20 Croydon 03 Jan 17 12.09pm
Some welcome realism from the fabian society for labour to digest probably a big switch from labour to lib-dem in voters' minds.

steeleye20

Croydon 03 Jan 17 12.09pm

Some welcome realism from the fabian society for labour to digest probably a big switch from labour to lib-dem in voters' minds.

OknotOK Cockfosters, London 03 Jan 17 12.16pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted [Link] Seems like even the Fabian Society have given up on Labour/Corbyn? Please note the source comrades - The Guardian.... so you can't accuse me of peddling right wing propaganda! Still... these are selling well in the January sales... It's interesting but the analysis doesn't really take into account that most of those elections happened under an effective two party system (or at best 3 party, with one having no chance of government). The election is different. Having said that the current polling is abysmal and I see no path to victory for the current Labour party. Whether that's down to Corbyn and his unelectability/policies or the constant undermining he receives from his party and the media - I suspect which you believe will be less agreed upon. "It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

OknotOK

Cockfosters, London 03 Jan 17 12.16pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

[Link]

Seems like even the Fabian Society have given up on Labour/Corbyn?

Please note the source comrades - The Guardian.... so you can't accuse me of peddling right wing propaganda!

Still... these are selling well in the January sales...

It's interesting but the analysis doesn't really take into account that most of those elections happened under an effective two party system (or at best 3 party, with one having no chance of government).

The election is different.

Having said that the current polling is abysmal and I see no path to victory for the current Labour party. Whether that's down to Corbyn and his unelectability/policies or the constant undermining he receives from his party and the media - I suspect which you believe will be less agreed upon.

"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

steeleye20 Croydon 03 Jan 17 1.44pm
Where are labour going to get enough votes to win an election? Answer:- the 48% remainers. That would offer genuine choice and a chance of government so change and target those voters. Silly Billy as Denis Healey would have said. IMO it would be a brexit election if brexit tanks thats where the opposition have to be - opposing the tories. People may be dying for it to be dumped later on. Come on Jeremy you know you can't get enough votes... Edited by steeleye20 (03 Jan 2017 1.45pm)

steeleye20

Croydon 03 Jan 17 1.44pm

Where are labour going to get enough votes to win an election?

Answer:- the 48% remainers.

That would offer genuine choice and a chance of government so change and target those voters.

Silly Billy as Denis Healey would have said.

IMO it would be a brexit election if brexit tanks thats where the opposition have to be - opposing the tories.

People may be dying for it to be dumped later on.

Come on Jeremy you know you can't get enough votes...

Edited by steeleye20 (03 Jan 2017 1.45pm)

serial thriller The Promised Land 03 Jan 17 2.11pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted [Link] Seems like even the Fabian Society have given up on Labour/Corbyn? Please note the source comrades - The Guardian.... so you can't accuse me of peddling right wing propaganda! Still... these are selling well in the January sales... So an organisation no one cares about delivers a prediction based on nothing, and even after the most ridiculous, 'expert' defying political year of our lifetimes, we're still meant to give a sh*t? If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

serial thriller

The Promised Land 03 Jan 17 2.11pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

[Link]

Seems like even the Fabian Society have given up on Labour/Corbyn?

Please note the source comrades - The Guardian.... so you can't accuse me of peddling right wing propaganda!

Still... these are selling well in the January sales...

So an organisation no one cares about delivers a prediction based on nothing, and even after the most ridiculous, 'expert' defying political year of our lifetimes, we're still meant to give a sh*t?

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

matt_himself Matataland 03 Jan 17 5.57pm
Reaction to Momentum video on Rail: [Link] "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 03 Jan 17 5.57pm

Reaction to Momentum video on Rail:

[Link]

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 03 Jan 17 11.40pm
Originally posted by matt_himself Reaction to Momentum video on Rail: [Link] The point that european companies (some state run) make loads of money from our privatised rail franchise system is true though is it not?

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 03 Jan 17 11.40pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Reaction to Momentum video on Rail:

[Link]

The point that european companies (some state run) make loads of money from our privatised rail franchise system is true though is it not?

Hoof Hearted 04 Jan 17 10.44am
Originally posted by serial thriller So an organisation no one cares about delivers a prediction based on nothing, and even after the most ridiculous, 'expert' defying political year of our lifetimes, we're still meant to give a sh*t? You sound like you had a sh1t New Year. It seemed interesting and relevant enough for the Guardian to run a story and the BBC news team to comment though.

Hoof Hearted 04 Jan 17 10.44am

Originally posted by serial thriller

So an organisation no one cares about delivers a prediction based on nothing, and even after the most ridiculous, 'expert' defying political year of our lifetimes, we're still meant to give a sh*t?

You sound like you had a sh1t New Year.

It seemed interesting and relevant enough for the Guardian to run a story and the BBC news team to comment though.

steeleye20 Croydon 04 Jan 17 12.15pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted You sound like you had a sh1t New Year. It seemed interesting and relevant enough for the Guardian to run a story and the BBC news team to comment though. Well now he has certainly been told and by the Fabian society of all people so what will he do? IMO nothing as Labour don't really want to be in office.

steeleye20

Croydon 04 Jan 17 12.15pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

You sound like you had a sh1t New Year.

It seemed interesting and relevant enough for the Guardian to run a story and the BBC news team to comment though.

Well now he has certainly been told and by the Fabian society of all people so what will he do? IMO nothing as Labour don't really want to be in office.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 04 Jan 17 12.54pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted You sound like you had a sh1t New Year. It seemed interesting and relevant enough for the Guardian to run a story and the BBC news team to comment though. Are you happy that our railways subsidise foreign and foreign state run companies?

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 04 Jan 17 12.54pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

You sound like you had a sh1t New Year.

It seemed interesting and relevant enough for the Guardian to run a story and the BBC news team to comment though.

Are you happy that our railways subsidise foreign and foreign state run companies?

jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Jan 17 4.41pm
Originally posted by nickgusset The point that european companies (some state run) make loads of money from our privatised rail franchise system is true though is it not? I wouldn't mind so much if a) it was economically viable for people to use the train services b) reliable and fit for purpose. Privatisation of the rail service has failed, and the state and consumer, have both lost out, whilst corporate interests have effectively managed to obtain substantial state subsidies without delivering an improved service or even a cheaper service. Should have a) never been nationalised b) renationalised at no compensation years ago. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 04 Jan 17 4.41pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

The point that european companies (some state run) make loads of money from our privatised rail franchise system is true though is it not?

I wouldn't mind so much if a) it was economically viable for people to use the train services b) reliable and fit for purpose.

Privatisation of the rail service has failed, and the state and consumer, have both lost out, whilst corporate interests have effectively managed to obtain substantial state subsidies without delivering an improved service or even a cheaper service.

Should have a) never been nationalised b) renationalised at no compensation years ago.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Hrolf The Ganger 04 Jan 17 4.57pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I wouldn't mind so much if a) it was economically viable for people to use the train services b) reliable and fit for purpose. Privatisation of the rail service has failed, and the state and consumer, have both lost out, whilst corporate interests have effectively managed to obtain substantial state subsidies without delivering an improved service or even a cheaper service. Should have a) never been nationalised b) renationalised at no compensation years ago. I'm forced to agree. The only problem is, how the rail networks could modernise and be maintained without huge amounts of tax payers money, much of which would come from people who don't use trains to commute. From a selfish point of view I would welcome renationalisation, since it costs my wife a big chunk of her yearly pay rise just to cover the yearly hike in prices.

Hrolf The Ganger

04 Jan 17 4.57pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I wouldn't mind so much if a) it was economically viable for people to use the train services b) reliable and fit for purpose.

Should have a) never been nationalised b) renationalised at no compensation years ago.

I'm forced to agree. The only problem is, how the rail networks could modernise and be maintained without huge amounts of tax payers money, much of which would come from people who don't use trains to commute.
From a selfish point of view I would welcome renationalisation, since it costs my wife a big chunk of her yearly pay rise just to cover the yearly hike in prices.

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