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Sportyteacher London 29 Jun 16 11.45am |
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Despite the fact that Hansard provenly informs the general public that UK under Major's Government arms industry dealings knowingly sold chemical weapons to Sadaam Hussein...as did USA; France; Germany etc.
By the way, where was Prince Andrew at the time of Al-Megrahi's release from Scottish prison re: Lockerbie bombing? Andrew was photographed in the company of Colonel Gadaffi as Arms Industry Envoy to UK.
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 29 Jun 16 11.53am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
A friend posted this in an email. it may of course all be nonsense. "It now emerges that Hilary Benn and Angela Eagle have been secretly briefing against Jeremy Corbyn for the last 9 months. They have constantly fed information to Laura Kuenssberg and the Murdoch press corps about pending coups and dissatisfaction in the Parliamentary Party.They were planning to move against him on several occasions and chickened out'. The debate on the RAF bombing intervention on Syria on the 2.12.15 was to be the preliminary opportunity for Benn to strike by speaking out against the Labour line ( which he did to much Tory applause). This was to be followed up by a no confidence motion after the loss of the Oldham by-election which was confidently predicted by the Murdoch press.The plot fell apart when the Oldham by-election was won by Labour, with UKIP in second place and the Tories beaten into third. Their next attempt was when Shadow Foreign Minister,Stephen Doughty,resigned on air during the BBC's Daily Politics programme on 7.1.16,just before Prime Ministers Questions. Kuenssberg had been briefed by the plotters beforehand and she had fed this information to David Cameron who announced it during PM's Questions to the surprise of the Labour benches. This plot to usurp Jeremy also fell apart. All of Kuenssberg's reports which began with 'a senior Labour spokesman told me....etc.' came from the offices of Benn and Eagle. Kuenssberg was also informed about the present debacle. The conspirators had received news that Corbyn would suggest the impeachment of Tony Blair if the soon to be published Chilcott report on the Iraq war showed any basis of 'war crimes'. The conspirators decided they had to pre-empt this attack on Blair. It was agreed that Benn would initiate the attack on Corbyn. He awoke Corbyn in the early hours of Sunday morning 26.6.16 with a phone call to inform him of his intention to attack him publicly with a statement of his lack of confidence in his leadership. Corbyn had no option but to remove him from post.The plan was then to organise a series of resignations with one being announced roughly every 2 hours to give the impression of a growing revolt. This was designed to keep it in the public eye and they would hopefully then encourage others not involved in the plot to join the bandwagon if they thought the ship was sinking.Initially there were 10 Shadow cabinet members recruited. and Eagles was to be the last one to declare in order to separate any association between Benn and herself.She would make a tearful, on-line resignation speech underlining Jeremy's honesty and goodness but saying he had no leadership skills. "OH ! WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE WHEN FIRST WE PRACTICE TO DECEIVE"
It has a rung of Truth to it but equally there are many tails of threats to MPs if they disagreed with JC. More than one has claimed that they have been threatened with deselection unless they get in line. Rather ironic as JC made a career out of being a professional pain in the arse
the dignified don't even enter in the game
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OknotOK Cockfosters, London 29 Jun 16 12.26pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
It has a rung of Truth to it but equally there are many tails of threats to MPs if they disagreed with JC. More than one has claimed that they have been threatened with deselection unless they get in line. Rather ironic as JC made a career out of being a professional pain in the arse
I think it probably is true. Certainly it appeared staged. Sacking Hillary Benn when he had openly expressed that JC should resign seems like the only viable option to me. So for people to have mock anger at that just seems false.
But it is definitely true that JC's team are a bit like the Politburo and going out and threatening and attempting to purge opposition to their pure ideology.
"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 29 Jun 16 12.29pm |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
I think it probably is true. Certainly it appeared staged. Sacking Hillary Benn when he had openly expressed that JC should resign seems like the only viable option to me. So for people to have mock anger at that just seems false.
But it is definitely true that JC's team are a bit like the Politburo and going out and threatening and attempting to purge opposition to their pure ideology.
Cameron giving Corbyn a kicking at PMQs.
Just realised I managed to misspell tales in my previous post
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Hoof Hearted 29 Jun 16 12.34pm |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
Despite the fact that Hansard provenly informs the general public that UK under Major's Government arms industry dealings knowingly sold chemical weapons to Sadaam Hussein...as did USA; France; Germany etc.
By the way, where was Prince Andrew at the time of Al-Megrahi's release from Scottish prison re: Lockerbie bombing? Andrew was photographed in the company of Colonel Gadaffi as Arms Industry Envoy to UK.
Major was another sh1t leader that refused to resign.
Prince Andrew probably did the hit on Diana.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Jun 16 12.39pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Major was another sh1t leader that refused to resign.
Prince Andrew probably did the hit on Diana.
All that waving around of wooden swords on stage always looked a bit sinister to me as well. It's always the odd and quiet ones.
COYP
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davidpercival Croydon 29 Jun 16 1.55pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Quote nickgusset at 27 Jul 2015 5.02pm
How will he make labour more unelectable?
I have heard that even IF Corbyn wins the leadership battle he could be ousted by the MPs so he doesn't actually fight the 2020 election.
I really don't know if this is a possibility or is being planned. I don't spend my valuable time on 'Labour' politics !
The rules are that the leader is elected by the party members and registered supporters so if Corbyn is re-elected the MPs cannot get rid of him unless they keep getting 50 MPs to start the leader election again and I don't believe the Blairites will be silly enough to try and do that again if they have been beaten twice. What they could do is to declare themselves separate from Labour and elect one of them to be their leader, who presumably would become Leader of the opposition. Then the Labour Party could nominate other people stand against each them that went down that road at the next General Election.
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OknotOK Cockfosters, London 29 Jun 16 2.45pm |
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According to party rules, Corbyn (as the incumbent who is not resigning) will automatically be on the ballot. He doesn't even need to secure the 30+ MPs backing him.
It's not inconceivable that his support amongst the membership - which was overwhelming 9 months ago - could have collapsed. But is is pretty unlikely.
So I would say there is a very good chance he will be re-elected as leader.
I see Labour MPs therefore having two options: 1. Splinter and set up their own centre-left party or 2. Accept Corbyn, and let him fight the next general election, assuming it is in the autumn.
If they chose 2, then they have to just shut-the-fcuk-up because if they don't and continue the back-biting then he will have an argument for why he loses. If they do stay quiet and relatively supportive then the only two scenarios are a) he wins (which appears unlikely) or b) he loses and all but his closest allies start to drift away accepting that his hard-left policies aren't going to win.
But keep mouthing off and stabbing him in the back and I think he could keep clinging on.
"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show
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jamiemartin721 Reading 29 Jun 16 2.53pm |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
Back to Corbyn thread: Pat Glass, Shadow Education Secretary for all of two days, has just resigned citing Corbyn debacle as main reason. That must be a record: TWO days!
Pat Glass is retiring soon anyhow.
But I think a leadership contest is inevitable now, and he probably should step down, and take it to the same system of selection. if he can win it, he's pretty much in a position to eliminate the PLP influence for a generation. I can see a lot of the same support he achieved last time, coming to the fore what with the exit and tory position.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 29 Jun 16 2.55pm |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
I see Labour MPs therefore having two options: 1. Splinter and set up their own centre-left party or 2. Accept Corbyn, and let him fight the next general election, assuming it is in the autumn..
Big gamble, because its likely that the Unions could go either way, and Labour is very much dependent on Union support and funding. Plus that new party would have to compete with the Greens and Lib Dems...
Its a long way from starting a new party to getting a MP.
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chris123 hove actually 29 Jun 16 2.55pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
A friend posted this in an email. it may of course all be nonsense. "It now emerges that Hilary Benn and Angela Eagle have been secretly briefing against Jeremy Corbyn for the last 9 months. They have constantly fed information to Laura Kuenssberg and the Murdoch press corps about pending coups and dissatisfaction in the Parliamentary Party.They were planning to move against him on several occasions and chickened out'. The debate on the RAF bombing intervention on Syria on the 2.12.15 was to be the preliminary opportunity for Benn to strike by speaking out against the Labour line ( which he did to much Tory applause). This was to be followed up by a no confidence motion after the loss of the Oldham by-election which was confidently predicted by the Murdoch press.The plot fell apart when the Oldham by-election was won by Labour, with UKIP in second place and the Tories beaten into third. Their next attempt was when Shadow Foreign Minister,Stephen Doughty,resigned on air during the BBC's Daily Politics programme on 7.1.16,just before Prime Ministers Questions. Kuenssberg had been briefed by the plotters beforehand and she had fed this information to David Cameron who announced it during PM's Questions to the surprise of the Labour benches. This plot to usurp Jeremy also fell apart. All of Kuenssberg's reports which began with 'a senior Labour spokesman told me....etc.' came from the offices of Benn and Eagle. Kuenssberg was also informed about the present debacle. The conspirators had received news that Corbyn would suggest the impeachment of Tony Blair if the soon to be published Chilcott report on the Iraq war showed any basis of 'war crimes'. The conspirators decided they had to pre-empt this attack on Blair. It was agreed that Benn would initiate the attack on Corbyn. He awoke Corbyn in the early hours of Sunday morning 26.6.16 with a phone call to inform him of his intention to attack him publicly with a statement of his lack of confidence in his leadership. Corbyn had no option but to remove him from post.The plan was then to organise a series of resignations with one being announced roughly every 2 hours to give the impression of a growing revolt. This was designed to keep it in the public eye and they would hopefully then encourage others not involved in the plot to join the bandwagon if they thought the ship was sinking.Initially there were 10 Shadow cabinet members recruited. and Eagles was to be the last one to declare in order to separate any association between Benn and herself.She would make a tearful, on-line resignation speech underlining Jeremy's honesty and goodness but saying he had no leadership skills. "OH ! WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE WHEN FIRST WE PRACTICE TO DECEIVE"
I don't remember anybody predicting the loss of Oldham - reduced majority maybe after Michael Meacher died.
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