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jeeagles Flag 03 Feb 20 6.27pm

Would like to see us try and play:

Guaita
Ward Tompkins Sakho PVA
Luca Reidewald
Mayer
Zaha Townsend
Tosun

At least against the weaker teams.

 

Glazier#1 Flag 03 Feb 20 7.44pm

Audacity's a bit strong, I think. The reason I mentioned Jairo being tried further forward was just getting glimpses of him around the box on occasions and thinking that he looked quite good at those quick,short balls in. I think he's got an eye for a pass in those circumstances.

At the risk of more brickbats from you, Ed, I wouldn't mind seeing him tried on the left side of midfield, trying to link up with Wlf (and PVA)when we go forward. Defensively, I think he's robust enough for the rough and tumble of such a position and could provide back-up for PVA.

Originally posted by EddieMac

There are people on here crying the last day or so that Riedewald was dropped for PVA. He is not a left back and never will be so why shouldn’t he be dropped for PVA. He got the fans player of the month so people expect him to be a regular starter and have the audacity to say that he could play as a number 10.

I agree that he should have been given a lot more chances in Luka’s position and has not been treated fairly but he is no full back and he is certainly not a number 10.

People on here banging on about his passing being great. Do you lot watch the games or do you sit there with your blinkers on blind to his faults ? Yes, he tries to pass the ball but it very rarely ends up with our own player. He did a decent job when thrown into the position but he was never going to keep it.

Edited by EddieMac (02 Feb 2020 10.44pm)

 

Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 03 Feb 20 7.58pm

He’s done quite well at left back and been tidy enough on the ball but no more than that. Neither has he looked particularly incisive in midfield against lower level opponents in the cups in the last couple of seasons.

 

Robk Flag 03 Feb 20 8.08pm

Think he’s been unlucky to be dropped... he was getting better every game and his passing is an asset no question... he deserves more games .. a run , players do improve when they get a run of games.. something Roy never seems to do....BUT who knows there could be more injuries so he may get another chance! Let’s hope so...

 

EddieMac Flag 04 Feb 20 7.55am

Originally posted by Glazier#1

Audacity's a bit strong, I think. The reason I mentioned Jairo being tried further forward was just getting glimpses of him around the box on occasions and thinking that he looked quite good at those quick,short balls in. I think he's got an eye for a pass in those circumstances.

At the risk of more brickbats from you, Ed, I wouldn't mind seeing him tried on the left side of midfield, trying to link up with Wlf (and PVA)when we go forward. Defensively, I think he's robust enough for the rough and tumble of such a position and could provide back-up for PVA.

I apologise if my wording was a bit over the top. I agree with you that Jairo at least tries to play football but I do not agree that he could play in a number 10 role. Like every player he would need 10 straight games to get some momentum but he won’t be getting that anytime soon under Roy.

 

EddieMac Flag 04 Feb 20 8.03am

Originally posted by doombear

So why did Jairo get POTM award from a lot of Palace fans? (I didn't vote at all so no axe to grind on that one, although he was probably the most consistent player during the month)
A lot of people have commented favourably on this site about Jairo's passing in the games he played. Perhaps, therefore, it is you who has been wearing blinkers.
You give the impression of being a great PvA fan so perhaps that is a factor in your assessment.
I, too wanted to see PvA back in the team and expected Roy to put him back. He's one of our better players.
The purpose of my earlier entry re Jairo was simply to ask how he might get a place in the team as I think he deserves a longer run given the way he stepped into an unfamiliar LB position and handled better than many of us would have expected

Watch the Southampton game again and tell me that his passing was up to scratch. Attempting a pass but not actually pulling it off is absolutely pointless. “Nearly never won the race.”

And I am not just singling him out for that, Our passing as a whole is absolutely dreadful. We seem to have a team of players who struggle with the very simple stuff. I wonder is that because Roy focuses so much on tactics and positioning that he leaves the ball work behind. I watched an interview after the Saints away game and he said that they do not practice free kicks or corners and that it is all done with Dean Kiely on video.

Also I am not PVA biggest fan in the slightest we need a big upgrade on him moving forward but he does a job and will do for the time being.

Edited by EddieMac (04 Feb 2020 8.03am)

 

MonsterMunch Flag Cambridge 04 Feb 20 9.08am

Originally posted by Robk

Think he’s been unlucky to be dropped... he was getting better every game and his passing is an asset no question... he deserves more games .. a run , players do improve when they get a run of games.. something Roy never seems to do....BUT who knows there could be more injuries so he may get another chance! Let’s hope so...

I totally agree. He has shown that he is one of the best passers of the ball, if not the best in the team. He is very accomplished and technically gifted with his passing. Unfortunately for him, this is not enough for Roy. If you are not in the mould of Luka, the two Maccas, Cheikh i.e. defensive minded then you are not going to fit into Roys ultra rigid structure. I've seen others argue that hes come in for cup games but hasnt impressed.. As you've said he has now had a run of games and has looked decent. Players will find it so difficult to be out in the cold for so long and then just come in for one game. In Jairos case the poor lad had been totally ostracised from Roys team on the pitch. To me there is a player there, just another example of Palace ruining a player by being under used imo.

Roys the professional and i'm some bloke on the internet, I get it but surely , surely he could try something different than the anti football he plays in the middle of the park. Meyer, Camarasa, Jairo.. seems such a waste.

Edited by MonsterMunch (04 Feb 2020 9.10am)

 

jeeagles Flag 04 Feb 20 9.24am

Originally posted by EddieMac

Watch the Southampton game again and tell me that his passing was up to scratch. Attempting a pass but not actually pulling it off is absolutely pointless. “Nearly never won the race.”

And I am not just singling him out for that, Our passing as a whole is absolutely dreadful. We seem to have a team of players who struggle with the very simple stuff. I wonder is that because Roy focuses so much on tactics and positioning that he leaves the ball work behind. I watched an interview after the Saints away game and he said that they do not practice free kicks or corners and that it is all done with Dean Kiely on video.

Also I am not PVA biggest fan in the slightest we need a big upgrade on him moving forward but he does a job and will do for the time being.

Edited by EddieMac (04 Feb 2020 8.03am)

Roy pays no attention to individual skill. He purely focuses on shape. There was an interview with Danny Murphy a while back saying this. He said it started well then just got incredibly boring.

 

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 04 Feb 20 9.37am

Originally posted by EddieMac

Watch the Southampton game again and tell me that his passing was up to scratch. Attempting a pass but not actually pulling it off is absolutely pointless. “Nearly never won the race.”

And I am not just singling him out for that, Our passing as a whole is absolutely dreadful. We seem to have a team of players who struggle with the very simple stuff. I wonder is that because Roy focuses so much on tactics and positioning that he leaves the ball work behind. I watched an interview after the Saints away game and he said that they do not practice free kicks or corners and that it is all done with Dean Kiely on video.

Also I am not PVA biggest fan in the slightest we need a big upgrade on him moving forward but he does a job and will do for the time being.

Edited by EddieMac (04 Feb 2020 8.03am)

Let's face it, the Soton game was the season's nadir (so far!) and an abject team performance and on the individual level Jairo was by no means the worst performer. I take your point about passing in that particular game but I suggest it's unfair to judge a player's passing ability on one game especially a game like that when everyone was off the pace.

 

EddieMac Flag 04 Feb 20 10.36am

Originally posted by doombear

Let's face it, the Soton game was the season's nadir (so far!) and an abject team performance and on the individual level Jairo was by no means the worst performer. I take your point about passing in that particular game but I suggest it's unfair to judge a player's passing ability on one game especially a game like that when everyone was off the pace.

Fair point. That game was the lowest of the low.

 

Bexley Eagle Flag Bexley Kent 05 Feb 20 11.39am

Indeed, but Southampton were very good, and proved this by taking the game to Liverpool at Anfield first half on Saturday.

I also would like to see Jairo given more opportunities in Midfield, even if its off the bench.

 

General Flag 05 Feb 20 9.48pm

One of the best passers of a ball at the club.
You don’t not survive at Ajax past 10 years old if you can’t pass a sodding football.
Guaranteed to do something different than what currently plays in the midfield and I for one would absolutely love to see something different

For one 90 minutes in 2020 please.

Was it against Man City he played in midfield.. and looked damn alright..?

 

thai-eagle Flag chiang mai 05 Feb 20 11.25pm

As long as Roy H puts out the "trusted" midfield of 2 x James Mac and Luka, I can not see us winning any game. Add Benteke on top and, sorry to say because Joel Ward is a model professional and a very decent human being, we probably have the weakest right back in PL.
Riedewald should be given in the starting line up - whoever he displaces.

 

taylors lovechild Flag 06 Feb 20 7.32am

Riedewald arrived at the club as a ball playing centre-back, but with FdB gone he has not been deemed suitable in that role. He filled in excellently at left-back but lacks PvA's pace and attacking threat. He is a good passer of the ball, but he does lose the ball more than people seem to be making out here and does not seem as mobile as some of the other central midfielders who are very box-to-box. He strikes me as one of those players that needs to be playing every week to get the best out of him and to keep him in shape. To be fair he looked very composed playing at centre-back in pre-season, so long-term I can see him playing there, whether it's for Palace or not.

Under Roy I can't see him staking a role back in the first XI barring injuries, but if we can hold onto him then I think he has a bright future under whoever succeeds Hodgson, with the same probably being true for Meyer.

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 06 Feb 20 12.39pm

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Riedewald arrived at the club as a ball playing centre-back, but with FdB gone he has not been deemed suitable in that role. He filled in excellently at left-back but lacks PvA's pace and attacking threat. He is a good passer of the ball, but he does lose the ball more than people seem to be making out here and does not seem as mobile as some of the other central midfielders who are very box-to-box. He strikes me as one of those players that needs to be playing every week to get the best out of him and to keep him in shape. To be fair he looked very composed playing at centre-back in pre-season, so long-term I can see him playing there, whether it's for Palace or not.

Under Roy I can't see him staking a role back in the first XI barring injuries, but if we can hold onto him then I think he has a bright future under whoever succeeds Hodgson, with the same probably being true for Meyer.

Did he? I thought he arrived as a defensive midfielder but my memory isn't what it used to be. Other than that I agree with what you say and he is getting better and better the more he plays. If we ever revert to 4-4-2 I can see him playing left midfield. As we play 4-3-3 it is difficult to break into the team as he is not a wide player and would as you say have to knock one of the box to box types out of the midfield. He could of course take Luka's place but for every good thing he might bring to that role, he probably doesn't have the tenacity of Luka.

 

taylors lovechild Flag 07 Feb 20 7.44am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Did he? I thought he arrived as a defensive midfielder but my memory isn't what it used to be. Other than that I agree with what you say and he is getting better and better the more he plays. If we ever revert to 4-4-2 I can see him playing left midfield. As we play 4-3-3 it is difficult to break into the team as he is not a wide player and would as you say have to knock one of the box to box types out of the midfield. He could of course take Luka's place but for every good thing he might bring to that role, he probably doesn't have the tenacity of Luka.

He was certainly presented primarily as a defender when he signed [Link] but one who could also operate in midfield. Interesting to note that he had the highest pass success rate that year not just for Ajax but for the league!

 

Wilbraham413 Flag 08 Feb 20 2.03am

Originally posted by thai-eagle

As long as Roy H puts out the "trusted" midfield of 2 x James Mac and Luka, I can not see us winning any game. Add Benteke on top and, sorry to say because Joel Ward is a model professional and a very decent human being, we probably have the weakest right back in PL.
Riedewald should be given in the starting line up - whoever he displaces.

Agree 100%. Playing Luka, McArthur, McCarthy, and Benteke at the same time, we have no chance to score 1 goal. It's honestly a ridiculous level of offensive futility.

 


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General Flag 08 Feb 20 10.04pm

One mistake from us and we lose a game

One mistake from the opposition and we can draw a game

That’s a super place to be and I can’t waut for our next game thankfully we have a whole week break where the players and Roy can work on perfecting the formation and tactics....

Oh wait we don’t change a mutha freaking thing except the personnel

Haha very strange

 

thai-eagle Flag chiang mai 09 Feb 20 12.32am

Riedewald once more not used. What about placing him on the right back slot and get someone who usually pass the ball to a teammate?

 

StrangerThing Flag Brisbane 09 Feb 20 12.39am

Oddly, because I agree he looks a good passer, but JRs stats are worse than pvas. PVA passes more often and with more success.

 

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