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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Jun 16 4.58pm

Originally posted by Stuk

"Nobody should feel pressurised, while they travel on the Tube or bus, into unrealistic expectations surrounding their bodies and I want to send a clear message to the advertising industry about this."

So presumably they're going to be consistent and not allow adverts for plastic surgery, teeth whitening, hair removal, hair replacement etc.

After all no one realistically expects a bald man to start regrowing hair.

Good point.

Further more. Even if the ads are cynical and unrealistic, surely it is role models that often encourage us to better ourselves.
Hollywood has been putting out unrealistic images for decades and yet they inspire some in positive ways albeit others less so.
Given that we have fat unhealthy people everywhere I would have thought that images of perfect bodies would do far more good than harm. Unless we want everyone to think that being obese is normal and acceptable.
There will always be those who become anorexic or bulimic with or with out posters, because that is generally a control issue rather than purely about appearance.
My guess is that it is more about politics than about health.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Jun 2016 4.59pm)

 
Part Time James Flag 13 Jun 16 5.00pm

I think we could veer towards molly coddling fatties so much that they no longer get the message that they ought to sort themselves out for the good of their health.

I might get shot down in flames for this (especially as I have never had a weight problem) but I think there ought to be a big poster saying "Oi fatty, see your GP".

 
Kermit8 Flag Hevon 13 Jun 16 5.00pm

Originally posted by Stuk

"Nobody should feel pressurised, while they travel on the Tube or bus, into unrealistic expectations surrounding their bodies and I want to send a clear message to the advertising industry about this."

So presumably they're going to be consistent and not allow adverts for plastic surgery, teeth whitening, hair removal, hair replacement etc.

After all no one realistically expects a bald man to start regrowing hair.

That's all vanity driven and for people with more money than sense.

We all hope our kids grow up to have enough self-esteem not to be bothered or influenced too much by 'the perfects' out there but when ads pound them with the not so subtle hidden message of 'this is how you should look', well, if it didn't make an impression on more than just a few they wouldn't advertise their product that way. All about the £££s not others emotional well-being. A bit like drug-pushers.

 

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Jamesrichards8 Flag 13 Jun 16 5.04pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Hmmm. So Muslim left wing mayor has a problem with poster of women in Bikini.

Well it wasn't going to be long before Muslim attitudes started to pervade our society and the left wing love to pander to totally unrepresentative minorities don't they.

The only people who would be offended by such an ad are those on the extreme edges of society, like bonkers militant feminists, jealous bitter fatties and religious loons.

You voted for it. Well done.

This. I wonder what the locals would say if a Christian moderate who supported westernization became mayor of abd el Salam in Egypt. I have a feeling they wouldn't be so tolerant. Although, he'd never be voted in- those people know that cultural separation is NOT a bad thing, and multiculturalism is NOT the way forward.

 

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Stuk Flag Top half 13 Jun 16 5.06pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

That's all vanity driven and for people with more money than sense.

We all hope our kids grow up to have enough self-esteem not to be bothered or influenced too much by 'the perfects' out there but when ads pound them with the not so subtle hidden message of 'this is how you should look', well, if it didn't make an impression on more than just a few they wouldn't advertise their product that way. All about the £££s not others emotional well-being. A bit like drug-pushers.

It's no different. If you say you're going to ban adverts that are unrealistic then all of those apply.

You can actually make your body fit naturally (as the person in the advert did). You cannot regrow hair or make your teeth ultra bright.

It's all or nothing. What this is, is seeking popularity/headlines.

 

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Stuk Flag Top half 13 Jun 16 5.08pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

I think we could veer towards molly coddling fatties so much that they no longer get the message that they ought to sort themselves out for the good of their health.

I might get shot down in flames for this (especially as I have never had a weight problem) but I think there ought to be a big poster saying "Oi fatty, see your GP".

I think Sadiq should make using the stairs mandatory for anyone fat. The escalators are for people with a BMI of under 25 only.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Jun 16 5.28pm

Always thought the fares thing wouldn't happen. A mistake on his part.

To add some whataboutery. Remember all the Tory promises in 2010? They've nearly completely disappeared from t'internet. I wonder why.
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Stuk Flag Top half 13 Jun 16 5.52pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Always thought the fares thing wouldn't happen. A mistake on his part.

To add some whataboutery. Remember all the Tory promises in 2010? They've nearly completely disappeared from t'internet. I wonder why.
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What has the general epection before last got to do with this thread?

Stick to the topic. No one cares for your whataboutery, or your crappy links to 2 year old blogs.

 

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elgrande Flag bedford 13 Jun 16 6.15pm

I guess we will never know if its the content of the advert or the woman in the bikini that gets it banned,I have can nasty feeling its the latter....Londonstan here we come.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Jun 16 6.20pm

Originally posted by Stuk

What has the general epection before last got to do with this thread?

Stick to the topic. No one cares for your whataboutery, or your crappy links to 2 year old blogs.

1. It's about breaking election promises, so is relevant.
2. No one cares? Have you asked everybody?You could say you don't care, but I don't recall you being nominated as spokesman for everyone.

Khan was stupid to promise a fare freeze. It was never tenable.

 
Stuk Flag Top half 13 Jun 16 6.31pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

1. It's about breaking election promises, so is relevant.
2. No one cares? Have you asked everybody?You could say you don't care, but I don't recall you being nominated as spokesman for everyone.

Khan was stupid to promise a fare freeze. It was never tenable.

It's about Sadiq Khan and the present day.

I don't need to ask everyone, everyone states on here that your posting of links to crap blogs/websites is tenuous.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Jun 16 6.31pm

Originally posted by elgrande

I guess we will never know if its the content of the advert or the woman in the bikini that gets it banned,I have can nasty feeling its the latter....Londonstan here we come.

Lots of research on the link between advertising and body image and it's effect on the public.

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I could find you loads more. There have been links between eating disorders and media presentation of women.

Once taught a year 6 girl who had bulimia and would make herself sick in order to stay thin.

But never mind the research. Let's just have a pop at Khan. It's nothing to do with Khan's religion.
Londonstan... Really?

 
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Jun 16 6.35pm

Originally posted by Stuk

It's about Sadiq Khan and the present day.

I don't need to ask everyone, everyone states on here that your posting of links to crap blogs/websites is tenuous.

Everyone. Proof please.

Crap blogs? Some probably are, however there's lots of research and citations in a lot of them. Can you see many of the mainstream printed press covering this? Not really.

The Internet has changed how and what information is out there.

Still it's easier to just say it's crap than argue the points made isn't it.

 
Stuk Flag Top half 13 Jun 16 6.43pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Everyone. Proof please.

Crap blogs? Some probably are, however there's lots of research and citations in a lot of them. Can you see many of the mainstream printed press covering this? Not really.

The Internet has changed how and what information is out there.

Still it's easier to just say it's crap than argue the points made isn't it.

It's been stated on here many times by many posters. I think it got a mention in the thread named after you.

The mainstream press don't look at election promises 6 years and a general election later.

You didn't make any points, you made a vague and irrelevant statement and posted a link.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Jun 16 7.06pm

Originally posted by Stuk

It's been stated on here many times by many posters. I think it got a mention in the thread named after you.

The mainstream press don't look at election promises 6 years and a general election later.

You didn't make any points, you made a vague and irrelevant statement and posted a link.

That's not everyone is it?

I also said that a few people (who I'd read online) had said that the fare freeze had no chance of happening. After which I said Khan was foolish to promise it.

 
johnfirewall Flag 13 Jun 16 7.06pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Always thought the fares thing wouldn't happen. A mistake on his part.

To add some whataboutery. Remember all the Tory promises in 2010? They've nearly completely disappeared from t'internet. I wonder why.
[Link]

It's a month after his election and he had 2 promises to keep.

 
Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Jun 16 8.02pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Lots of research on the link between advertising and body image and it's effect on the public.

[Link]

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I could find you loads more. There have been links between eating disorders and media presentation of women.

Once taught a year 6 girl who had bulimia and would make herself sick in order to stay thin.

But never mind the research. Let's just have a pop at Khan. It's nothing to do with Khan's religion.
Londonstan... Really?

So women only wanted to be attractive when advertising was invented I suppose.

And eating disorders will just disappear overnight no doubt.

Yep let's all just eat ourselves to death instead because government advice about healthy eating works so well doesn't it.

This is politics.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Jun 2016 8.02pm)

 
We are goin up! Flag Coulsdon 13 Jun 16 8.27pm

I am deeply uncomfortable with us having a Muslim mayor who encourages the covering up of women.

What's more, our problem is not that we're too thin. As a country we're too fat and getting fatter. If we pander to those who say that their feelings are hurt by this fact we are in serious trouble as a society. Frankly there should be more adverts like this, it might reduce obesity.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Jun 16 9.12pm


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A study by A. Chris Downs and Sheila Harrison from Sex Roles: A Journal of Research found that one out of every 3.8 television commercials has a message about attractiveness in it. They determined that viewers receive roughly 5,260 advertisements related to attractiveness per year (or at least 14 per day). Of these messages, 1,850 of them are specifically about beauty.[5]

In a study published in the Journal of Advertising, Marketing professors Mary Martin and James Gentry noted that images of blonde, thin women are predominant in mass media, and that these characteristics are often portrayed as being ideal.[1] Martin and Gentry also found that advertising can "impose a sense of inadequacy on young women's self-concepts." This is because some girls and young women compare their own physical attractiveness to the physical attractiveness of models in ads. They then experience lowered self-esteem if they do not feel that they look like the models in advertisements.[1]

Today's models weigh 23 percent less than the average woman, while the average model two decades ago weighed eight percent less than the average woman. This current media ideal of thinness is met by only about five percent of the population.[15]

Additionally, a study of Seventeen magazine concluded that the models featured in this popular teen magazine were far less curvy than those portrayed in women's magazines. It was also noted that the hip-to-waist ratio had decreased in these models from 1970 to 1990.[1]

In a study published in Sex Roles: A Journal of Research, psychologists Heidi Posavac, Steven Posavac, and Emil Posavac found that many young women will express dissatisfaction with their bodies, particularly with their body weight, when they are exposed to images of thin models who are slimmer than the average woman.[2]

Expressing similar sentiments, an aspiring young model was quoted as saying, "Deep down I still want to be a supermodel... As long as they're there, screaming at me from the television, glaring at me from the magazines, I'm stuck in the model trap. Hate them first. Then grow to like them. Love them. Emulate them. Die to be them. All the while praying the cycle will come to an end."[1]

Academic researchers Philip Myers Jr. and Frank Biocca concluded, in their study published in the Journal of Communication, that a woman's self-perceived body image can change after watching a half-an-hour of television programming and advertising.[7] Researchers Yoku Yamamiya and Thomas F. Cash concluded through their study that "Even a 5 minute exposure to thin-and-beautiful media images results in a more negative body image state than does exposure to images of neutral object."[16]

Likewise, a study by Stice et al. in the Journal of Abnormal Psychology concluded that there is a direct relationship between the amount of media exposure that a young woman has and the likelihood that she will develop eating disorder symptoms.[17]

Martin and Gentry also found that the mass media "creates and reinforces a preoccupation with physical attractiveness in young women," which can lead to bulimia, anorexia, and opting for cosmetic surgery. She also concluded that, "exposure to ultra-thin models in advertisements and magazine pictures produced depression, stress, guilt, shame, insecurity, and body dissatisfaction in female college students."[1]

In a study published in the Journal of Youth and Adolescence, Paxton et al. found body dissatisfaction to be more prevalent in young women than in young men.[18]

Low self-esteem that stems from teenage advertising can have detrimental effects on teenagers. Seventy-five percent of young women with low self-esteem report engaging in negative activities such as "cutting, bullying, smoking, or drinking when feeling badly about themselves."

Teen promiscuity is another possible effect of low self-esteem.[19]


So an attempt to negate the effects of body image in advertisements has nothing to do with trying to alleviate self esteem and problems such as eating disorders many women face has nothing to do with the above. It's because Khan is Muslim.

 
Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Jun 16 9.28pm

It is widely accepted that models are so skinny because the fashion industry is run largely by gay men who like their female models to look like young boys.

 
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