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Mapletree Croydon 01 Jan 21 9.41pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops I don’t wish anyone a shorter life but you have obviously missed how condescending to the people who work for you your post read. I suggest you read my post again and concentrate. My staff are not circulating misinformation to my knowledge But you would need as much medical knowledge as someone like Hrolf to sort the truth from the lies in social media The people that spread the rumours without fact checking are those that do damage. Due to arrogance, enjoying being in a cult or to do mischief? Who knows. But I see the effect.

Mapletree

Croydon 01 Jan 21 9.41pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I don’t wish anyone a shorter life but you have obviously missed how condescending to the people who work for you your post read.

I suggest you read my post again and concentrate.

My staff are not circulating misinformation to my knowledge

But you would need as much medical knowledge as someone like Hrolf to sort the truth from the lies in social media

The people that spread the rumours without fact checking are those that do damage. Due to arrogance, enjoying being in a cult or to do mischief? Who knows. But I see the effect.

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 01 Jan 21 9.56pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Absolute LAD And like I said to that other quinoa munching tart on another thread. If you want to take the vaccine please feel free to take it. Now I'm not donning a tin foil hat & I'm not going to suggest there is a tracking device in the vaccine or some else outlandish but we've lived with HIV for something like 40 years & from what I can tell we have no known cure for it? Although I'm probably right that billions of dollars has been spent on R&D. Yet we can manufacture a Covid vaccine in a matter of months & more Importantly deem it SAFE for public consumption? Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 01 Jan 21 9.56pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Absolute LAD

And like I said to that other quinoa munching tart on another thread. If you want to take the vaccine please feel free to take it.
Now I'm not donning a tin foil hat & I'm not going to suggest there is a tracking device in the vaccine or some else outlandish but we've lived with HIV for something like 40 years & from what I can tell we have no known cure for it? Although I'm probably right that billions of dollars has been spent on R&D. Yet we can manufacture a Covid vaccine in a matter of months & more Importantly deem it SAFE for public consumption?

Pro USA & Israel

Eaglecoops CR3 01 Jan 21 10.49pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I suggest you read my post again and concentrate. My staff are not circulating misinformation to my knowledge But you would need as much medical knowledge as someone like Hrolf to sort the truth from the lies in social media The people that spread the rumours without fact checking are those that do damage. Due to arrogance, enjoying being in a cult or to do mischief? Who knows. But I see the effect. So what have I missed in this paragraph? “ I have had the Devil’s own job to get all of my Care Assistants to take the vaccine. If they don’t inevitably people will die. Also their jobs can’t be done properly and our business may well go under.” Are you now saying you haven’t influenced your staff to take the vaccine, because that is pretty much how that reads? Did you perhaps tell them that they couldn’t do their jobs properly if they didn’t have it, or am I just imagining that?

Eaglecoops

CR3 01 Jan 21 10.49pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I suggest you read my post again and concentrate.

My staff are not circulating misinformation to my knowledge

But you would need as much medical knowledge as someone like Hrolf to sort the truth from the lies in social media

The people that spread the rumours without fact checking are those that do damage. Due to arrogance, enjoying being in a cult or to do mischief? Who knows. But I see the effect.

So what have I missed in this paragraph?

“ I have had the Devil’s own job to get all of my Care Assistants to take the vaccine. If they don’t inevitably people will die. Also their jobs can’t be done properly and our business may well go under.”

Are you now saying you haven’t influenced your staff to take the vaccine, because that is pretty much how that reads? Did you perhaps tell them that they couldn’t do their jobs properly if they didn’t have it, or am I just imagining that?

Mapletree Croydon 01 Jan 21 10.55pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops So what have I missed in this paragraph? “ I have had the Devil’s own job to get all of my Care Assistants to take the vaccine. If they don’t inevitably people will die. Also their jobs can’t be done properly and our business may well go under.” Are you now saying you haven’t influenced your staff to take the vaccine, because that is pretty much how that reads? Did you perhaps tell them that they couldn’t do their jobs properly if they didn’t have it, or am I just imagining that? Of course I have asked them to get vaccinated. And also to consider how they would feel if they brought the virus into the Home. How that is talking down to them is simply in your imagination

Mapletree

Croydon 01 Jan 21 10.55pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

So what have I missed in this paragraph?

Of course I have asked them to get vaccinated. And also to consider how they would feel if they brought the virus into the Home.

How that is talking down to them is simply in your imagination

Eaglecoops CR3 01 Jan 21 10.59pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Of course I have asked them to get vaccinated. And also to consider how they would feel if they brought the virus into the Home. How that is talking down to them is simply in your imagination So you do admit influencing staff into making a health choice and did you take into account with these pearls of wisdom that the government have already stated that having the vaccine doesn’t mean you can’t pass it on. So I’m really not sure what entitles you to give people health advice.

Eaglecoops

CR3 01 Jan 21 10.59pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Of course I have asked them to get vaccinated. And also to consider how they would feel if they brought the virus into the Home.

How that is talking down to them is simply in your imagination

So you do admit influencing staff into making a health choice and did you take into account with these pearls of wisdom that the government have already stated that having the vaccine doesn’t mean you can’t pass it on. So I’m really not sure what entitles you to give people health advice.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Jan 21 11.03pm
My wife and I both being over 65 are 5th down the priority list and the general expectancy was that we would receive the vaccine sometime in March. Given what we are hearing about the supply chain and the farcical situation regarding the hiring of volunteers to assist in administering the jabs I suspect it could be the middle of the year before we receive the call-up.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Jan 21 11.03pm

My wife and I both being over 65 are 5th down the priority list and the general expectancy was that we would receive the vaccine sometime in March.

Given what we are hearing about the supply chain and the farcical situation regarding the hiring of volunteers to assist in administering the jabs I suspect it could be the middle of the year before we receive the call-up.

Mapletree Croydon 01 Jan 21 11.09pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops So you do admit influencing staff into making a health choice and did you take into account with these pearls of wisdom that the government have already stated that having the vaccine doesn’t mean you can’t pass it on. So I’m really not sure what entitles you to give people health advice. Oh boy, for the hard of thinking I got a virologist from PHE to do a Zoom call to myth bust I now give up on you as it is clear you have some kind of agenda. Probably bitten by a scientist when young. Edited by Mapletree (01 Jan 2021 11.26pm)

Mapletree

Croydon 01 Jan 21 11.09pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Oh boy, for the hard of thinking

I got a virologist from PHE to do a Zoom call to myth bust

I now give up on you as it is clear you have some kind of agenda. Probably bitten by a scientist when young.

Edited by Mapletree (01 Jan 2021 11.26pm)

Mapletree Croydon 01 Jan 21 11.32pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC So you forced low paid care assistants to get the vaccine? I can't blame you as the way you see it you are protecting people. However, you cannot be entirely sure there are no side effects. There are 80 people in a case currently for a recent vaccine that even the WHO admits causes narcolepsy. Are you going to dismiss it as conspiracy theory or scaremongering? [Link] Different kind of vaccine, more researched, not showing any adverse signs so far. Your Irish case was about someone having a vaccine known to have issues without being offered the safer alternative that was available at the time. That was the main point at stake. [Link] [Link]

Mapletree

Croydon 01 Jan 21 11.32pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

So you forced low paid care assistants to get the vaccine? I can't blame you as the way you see it you are protecting people. However, you cannot be entirely sure there are no side effects.
There are 80 people in a case currently for a recent vaccine that even the WHO admits causes narcolepsy. Are you going to dismiss it as conspiracy theory or scaremongering?

[Link]

Different kind of vaccine, more researched, not showing any adverse signs so far.

Your Irish case was about someone having a vaccine known to have issues without being offered the safer alternative that was available at the time. That was the main point at stake.

[Link]

BlueJay UK 02 Jan 21 12.24am
Originally posted by Eaglecoops So you do admit influencing staff into making a health choice and did you take into account with these pearls of wisdom that the government have already stated that having the vaccine doesn’t mean you can’t pass it on. So I’m really not sure what entitles you to give people health advice. That's an unknown, if anything the thought is leaning towards it being likely that it does limit likelihood of passing it in. This is something that should effectively be known one way or the other in a month or so. Those working with the elderly and vulnerable should strongly consider getting vaccinated. Much in the same way, nurses and doctors spreading covid between themselves and to patients is a real problem, so they should be vaccinated ASAP too. We can't have it both ways. If we're criticising people being encouraged to take the vaccine, questions can also be asked of those treating it like not bothering is an option that can't impact the individual or others negatively. For instance, people should be actively encouraging their elderly loved ones to get vaccinated. If their input is instead 'do what you want', 'who cares', 'i have my doubts' then the result of that contribution may come back to haunt them and more importantly those on the receiving end of their bad advice.

BlueJay

UK 02 Jan 21 12.24am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

That's an unknown, if anything the thought is leaning towards it being likely that it does limit likelihood of passing it in. This is something that should effectively be known one way or the other in a month or so. Those working with the elderly and vulnerable should strongly consider getting vaccinated. Much in the same way, nurses and doctors spreading covid between themselves and to patients is a real problem, so they should be vaccinated ASAP too.

We can't have it both ways. If we're criticising people being encouraged to take the vaccine, questions can also be asked of those treating it like not bothering is an option that can't impact the individual or others negatively. For instance, people should be actively encouraging their elderly loved ones to get vaccinated. If their input is instead 'do what you want', 'who cares', 'i have my doubts' then the result of that contribution may come back to haunt them and more importantly those on the receiving end of their bad advice.

Eaglecoops CR3 02 Jan 21 10.27am
Originally posted by Mapletree Oh boy, for the hard of thinking I got a virologist from PHE to do a Zoom call to myth bust I now give up on you as it is clear you have some kind of agenda. Probably bitten by a scientist when young. Edited by Mapletree (01 Jan 2021 11.26pm) Really! That’s a convenient sentence to add on late in the day. I have no agenda whatsoever, but when you post that you are actively coercing staff to take the vaccine because you believe it will help your business then I’m afraid you have lost all credibility as it is not within your remit as an employer to do this.

Eaglecoops

CR3 02 Jan 21 10.27am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Oh boy, for the hard of thinking

I got a virologist from PHE to do a Zoom call to myth bust

I now give up on you as it is clear you have some kind of agenda. Probably bitten by a scientist when young.

Edited by Mapletree (01 Jan 2021 11.26pm)

Really! That’s a convenient sentence to add on late in the day. I have no agenda whatsoever, but when you post that you are actively coercing staff to take the vaccine because you believe it will help your business then I’m afraid you have lost all credibility as it is not within your remit as an employer to do this.

Mapletree Croydon 02 Jan 21 10.33am
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Really! That’s a convenient sentence to add on late in the day. I have no agenda whatsoever, but when you post that you are actively coercing staff to take the vaccine because you believe it will help your business then I’m afraid you have lost all credibility as it is not within your remit as an employer to do this. You were too stupid to ask how I was ‘influencing’. I anticipate all Care Homes making it a term of employment for Care Assistants to have the vaccine, probably with some exceptions. Not my remit? And no, again to see if it gets through this time. I don’t own the business and I am highly employable. I am not trying to defend a business per se. I am trying to save lives Do you actually care about old people?

Mapletree

Croydon 02 Jan 21 10.33am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

You were too stupid to ask how I was ‘influencing’.

I anticipate all Care Homes making it a term of employment for Care Assistants to have the vaccine, probably with some exceptions.

Not my remit?

And no, again to see if it gets through this time. I don’t own the business and I am highly employable. I am not trying to defend a business per se. I am trying to save lives

Do you actually care about old people?

Eaglecoops CR3 02 Jan 21 10.40am
Originally posted by BlueJay That's an unknown, if anything the thought is leaning towards it being likely that it does limit likelihood of passing it in. This is something that should effectively be known one way or the other in a month or so. Those working with the elderly and vulnerable should strongly consider getting vaccinated. Much in the same way, nurses and doctors spreading covid between themselves and to patients is a real problem, so they should be vaccinated ASAP too. We can't have it both ways. If we're criticising people being encouraged to take the vaccine, questions can also be asked of those treating it like not bothering is an option that can't impact the individual or others negatively. For instance, people should be actively encouraging their elderly loved ones to get vaccinated. If their input is instead 'do what you want', 'who cares', 'i have my doubts' then the result of that contribution may come back to haunt them and more importantly those on the receiving end of their bad advice. You’re right it is an unknown and is being actively spoken of as an unknown by all medical advisors. Trying to tell people otherwise is untruthful and to say that people might die if you do not have the vaccine yourself is at best melodramatic and at worse coercive nonsense. The people who should be having the vaccine are the old and vulnerable. Coercing staff who may not want the vaccine for any number of reasons is just plain wrong. I’ll repeat the stats for healthy people under 60. Deaths of less than 400 out of a total of 70,000+ This is not about whether you should have the vaccine, it’s about the rights of individuals to have a choice. I will not change my opinion on this until: 1) the vaccine is proved 100% safe and impact free on matters such as fertility. 2) it is proven that to have the vaccine prevents you carrying and transmitting the virus to others. Edited by Eaglecoops (02 Jan 2021 10.50am)

Eaglecoops

CR3 02 Jan 21 10.40am

Originally posted by BlueJay

You’re right it is an unknown and is being actively spoken of as an unknown by all medical advisors. Trying to tell people otherwise is untruthful and to say that people might die if you do not have the vaccine yourself is at best melodramatic and at worse coercive nonsense.

The people who should be having the vaccine are the old and vulnerable. Coercing staff who may not want the vaccine for any number of reasons is just plain wrong.

I’ll repeat the stats for healthy people under 60. Deaths of less than 400 out of a total of 70,000+

This is not about whether you should have the vaccine, it’s about the rights of individuals to have a choice.

I will not change my opinion on this until:

1) the vaccine is proved 100% safe and impact free on matters such as fertility.
2) it is proven that to have the vaccine prevents you carrying and transmitting the virus to others.

Edited by Eaglecoops (02 Jan 2021 10.50am)

Mapletree Croydon 02 Jan 21 10.55am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You are a man who was telling us recently that taking vitamin D was the answer to all our problems, so I would question your opinions based on that alone. Why do you plant lies in otherwise reasonable posts? Do you think this is ‘The Unbelievable Truth’? I have recommended vitamin D as a precaution, on the basis that is what CCUs including ITUs do as soon as people arrive with COVID-19.

Mapletree

Croydon 02 Jan 21 10.55am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You are a man who was telling us recently that taking vitamin D was the answer to all our problems, so I would question your opinions based on that alone.

Why do you plant lies in otherwise reasonable posts?

Do you think this is ‘The Unbelievable Truth’?

I have recommended vitamin D as a precaution, on the basis that is what CCUs including ITUs do as soon as people arrive with COVID-19.

Eaglecoops CR3 02 Jan 21 10.57am
Originally posted by Mapletree You were too stupid to ask how I was ‘influencing’. I anticipate all Care Homes making it a term of employment for Care Assistants to have the vaccine, probably with some exceptions. Not my remit? And no, again to see if it gets through this time. I don’t own the business and I am highly employable. I am not trying to defend a business per se. I am trying to save lives Do you actually care about old people? Perfect, so you thought you should jump the gun and get in early by utilising your vast medical knowledge of the virus and it’s possible side effects. I really hope there are zero side effects for younger people who don’t necessarily need to take it.

Eaglecoops

CR3 02 Jan 21 10.57am

Originally posted by Mapletree

You were too stupid to ask how I was ‘influencing’.

I anticipate all Care Homes making it a term of employment for Care Assistants to have the vaccine, probably with some exceptions.

Not my remit?

And no, again to see if it gets through this time. I don’t own the business and I am highly employable. I am not trying to defend a business per se. I am trying to save lives

Do you actually care about old people?

Perfect, so you thought you should jump the gun and get in early by utilising your vast medical knowledge of the virus and it’s possible side effects. I really hope there are zero side effects for younger people who don’t necessarily need to take it.

Mapletree Croydon 02 Jan 21 11.15am
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Perfect, so you thought you should jump the gun and get in early by utilising your vast medical knowledge of the virus and it’s possible side effects. I really hope there are zero side effects for younger people who don’t necessarily need to take it. No, I thought I would address blindingly obvious lies like the vaccine is made of babies. So I brought in a specialist and also made sure I showed a lead by having the vaccine first. And saying young people don't need to take the vaccine just demonstrates your total inability to grasp the situation.

Mapletree

Croydon 02 Jan 21 11.15am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

No, I thought I would address blindingly obvious lies like the vaccine is made of babies. So I brought in a specialist and also made sure I showed a lead by having the vaccine first.

And saying young people don't need to take the vaccine just demonstrates your total inability to grasp the situation.

cryrst The garden of England 02 Jan 21 11.29am
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Perfect, so you thought you should jump the gun and get in early by utilising your vast medical knowledge of the virus and it’s possible side effects. I really hope there are zero side effects for younger people who don’t necessarily need to take it. What if it prevented transmission but made 1 in 1000 a jaffa ?

cryrst

The garden of England 02 Jan 21 11.29am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

What if it prevented transmission but made
1 in 1000 a jaffa ?

Teddy Eagle 02 Jan 21 11.51am
Originally posted by cryrst What if it prevented transmission but made 1 in 1000 a jaffa ? I’ll take that bullet having reached the stage whereby such issues are purely theoretical. Personally I’d get injected with Clattenburg’s DNA if it meant the pubs reopening.

Teddy Eagle

02 Jan 21 11.51am

Originally posted by cryrst

What if it prevented transmission but made
1 in 1000 a jaffa ?

I’ll take that bullet having reached the stage whereby such issues are purely theoretical.
Personally I’d get injected with Clattenburg’s DNA if it meant the pubs reopening.

Mapletree Croydon 02 Jan 21 12.09pm
Originally posted by cryrst What if it prevented transmission but made 1 in 1000 a jaffa ? I am glad you asked that. What makes you think that it might? This is precisely the reason I get angry. There have been social media assertions that this is a genuine risk. Where is the proof that it is? [Link] Is this a question you ask yourself before trying anything new? If not, then I suggest that this is misinformation originally planted to discourage people from taking the vaccine. Note, however, that there is strong reason to believe that catching COVID may indeed make you a jaffa, at least for a while Impairment of spermatogenesis was observed in COVID-19 patients, which could be partially explained as a result of an elevated immune response in testis. Additionally, autoimmune orchitis occurred in some COVID-19 patients. Further research on the reversibility of impairment and developing treatment are warranted. [Link] In the end we need to consider the least worst scenario. If we ever find evidence that the vaccine has negative side effects on fertility would those effects outweigh the benefits of avoiding COVID.

Mapletree

Croydon 02 Jan 21 12.09pm

Originally posted by cryrst

What if it prevented transmission but made
1 in 1000 a jaffa ?

I am glad you asked that.

What makes you think that it might?

This is precisely the reason I get angry. There have been social media assertions that this is a genuine risk. Where is the proof that it is?

[Link]

Is this a question you ask yourself before trying anything new? If not, then I suggest that this is misinformation originally planted to discourage people from taking the vaccine.

Note, however, that there is strong reason to believe that catching COVID may indeed make you a jaffa, at least for a while

Impairment of spermatogenesis was observed in COVID-19 patients, which could be partially explained as a result of an elevated immune response in testis. Additionally, autoimmune orchitis occurred in some COVID-19 patients. Further research on the reversibility of impairment and developing treatment are warranted.

[Link]

In the end we need to consider the least worst scenario. If we ever find evidence that the vaccine has negative side effects on fertility would those effects outweigh the benefits of avoiding COVID.

Hrolf The Ganger 02 Jan 21 12.15pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Why do you plant lies in otherwise reasonable posts? Do you think this is ‘The Unbelievable Truth’? I have recommended vitamin D as a precaution, on the basis that is what CCUs including ITUs do as soon as people arrive with COVID-19. You state things like they are facts when they are not. You make claims that you are not qualified to make. You have to make it clear that it is just your opinion based on your own reasoning. Giving people vitamin D on arrival is quite reasonable because it reduces the chance of a deficiency in patients that could impact on their recovery. That is not to say that it is some sort of miracle cure as you have previously implied. Anyway, we basically agree on this subject and I have way more important things to be thinking about right now so byeeeee.

Hrolf The Ganger

02 Jan 21 12.15pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Why do you plant lies in otherwise reasonable posts?

Do you think this is ‘The Unbelievable Truth’?

I have recommended vitamin D as a precaution, on the basis that is what CCUs including ITUs do as soon as people arrive with COVID-19.

You state things like they are facts when they are not.

You make claims that you are not qualified to make.

You have to make it clear that it is just your opinion based on your own reasoning.

Giving people vitamin D on arrival is quite reasonable because it reduces the chance of a deficiency in patients that could impact on their recovery. That is not to say that it is some sort of miracle cure as you have previously implied.

Anyway, we basically agree on this subject and I have way more important things to be thinking about right now so byeeeee.

Mapletree Croydon 02 Jan 21 12.43pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops You’re right it is an unknown and is being actively spoken of as an unknown by all medical advisors. Trying to tell people otherwise is untruthful and to say that people might die if you do not have the vaccine yourself is at best melodramatic and at worse coercive nonsense. The people who should be having the vaccine are the old and vulnerable. Coercing staff who may not want the vaccine for any number of reasons is just plain wrong. I’ll repeat the stats for healthy people under 60. Deaths of less than 400 out of a total of 70,000+ This is not about whether you should have the vaccine, it’s about the rights of individuals to have a choice. I will not change my opinion on this until: 1) the vaccine is proved 100% safe and impact free on matters such as fertility. 2) it is proven that to have the vaccine prevents you carrying and transmitting the virus to others. Edited by Eaglecoops (02 Jan 2021 10.50am) Good for you, well done on being macho. Has it occurred to you that viruses are very good at multiplying. When they multiply they mutate. And then life is like a box of chocolates. In whom will these mutations happen do you suppose? Edited by Mapletree (02 Jan 2021 12.44pm)

Mapletree

Croydon 02 Jan 21 12.43pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

The people who should be having the vaccine are the old and vulnerable. Coercing staff who may not want the vaccine for any number of reasons is just plain wrong.

I’ll repeat the stats for healthy people under 60. Deaths of less than 400 out of a total of 70,000+

This is not about whether you should have the vaccine, it’s about the rights of individuals to have a choice.

I will not change my opinion on this until:

1) the vaccine is proved 100% safe and impact free on matters such as fertility.
2) it is proven that to have the vaccine prevents you carrying and transmitting the virus to others.

Edited by Eaglecoops (02 Jan 2021 10.50am)

Good for you, well done on being macho.

Has it occurred to you that viruses are very good at multiplying. When they multiply they mutate. And then life is like a box of chocolates.

In whom will these mutations happen do you suppose?

Edited by Mapletree (02 Jan 2021 12.44pm)

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