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Stirlingsays 02 Jan 21 2.45pm
Originally posted by AuntyAnne70 Oh the irony,I don't see why little Englanders should dictate what happen to a whole country. That they pay over the odds for. Personally I say if they want out, they have every right to leave. Though let no one seriously suggest it's independence when they change from sucking on westminister's teat to Brussel's....the cheeky feckers even want to remain on our pound...It's fifty fifty that the EU would even have them. It's a little ironic when you refer to 'little Englanders' when surely nationalists in Scotland are the same....just far smaller. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jan 2021 2.48pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

02 Jan 21 2.45pm

Originally posted by AuntyAnne70

Oh the irony,I don't see why little Englanders should dictate what happen to a whole country.

That they pay over the odds for.

Personally I say if they want out, they have every right to leave.

Though let no one seriously suggest it's independence when they change from sucking on westminister's teat to Brussel's....the cheeky feckers even want to remain on our pound...It's fifty fifty that the EU would even have them.

It's a little ironic when you refer to 'little Englanders' when surely nationalists in Scotland are the same....just far smaller.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jan 2021 2.48pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Badger11 Beckenham 02 Jan 21 2.46pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 You are in an advanced state of hypocrisy. I beg to differ. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 02 Jan 21 2.46pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

You are in an advanced state of hypocrisy.

I beg to differ.

One more point

Badger11 Beckenham 02 Jan 21 2.49pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays That they pay over the odds for. Personally I say if they want out, they have every right to leave. Though let no one seriously suggest it's independence when they change from sucking on westminister's teat to Brussel's. It's a little ironic when you refer to 'little Englanders' when surely nationalists in Scotland are the same....just far smaller. If the Scots want independence so be it I just worry that the SNP does not have a clear plan for managing the currency and joining the EU and also how they will manage the economy. But it's their choice. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 02 Jan 21 2.49pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That they pay over the odds for.

Personally I say if they want out, they have every right to leave.

Though let no one seriously suggest it's independence when they change from sucking on westminister's teat to Brussel's.

It's a little ironic when you refer to 'little Englanders' when surely nationalists in Scotland are the same....just far smaller.

If the Scots want independence so be it I just worry that the SNP does not have a clear plan for managing the currency and joining the EU and also how they will manage the economy.

But it's their choice.

One more point

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 02 Jan 21 3.31pm
Originally posted by Badger11 If the Scots want independence so be it I just worry that the SNP does not have a clear plan for managing the currency and joining the EU and also how they will manage the economy. But it's their choice. Their choice indeed Badger, their choice indeed!

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 02 Jan 21 3.31pm

Originally posted by Badger11

If the Scots want independence so be it I just worry that the SNP does not have a clear plan for managing the currency and joining the EU and also how they will manage the economy.

But it's their choice.

Their choice indeed Badger, their choice indeed!

PalazioVecchio south pole 02 Jan 21 3.52pm
Scotland. poxy football league. And proportionately very few decent football players. Especially when compared to small countries like Portugal, Holland etc. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 02 Jan 21 3.52pm

Scotland.

poxy football league.

And proportionately very few decent football players. Especially when compared to small countries like Portugal, Holland etc.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

nobody sussex 03 Jan 21 10.58am
I am not fully up to speed on all of this but I think I read somewhere that they have never planned their percentage of the national debt into future budgets That would make book balancing quite tricky for them

nobody

sussex 03 Jan 21 10.58am

I am not fully up to speed on all of this but I think I read somewhere that they have never planned their percentage of the national debt into future budgets

That would make book balancing quite tricky for them

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 03 Jan 21 3.05pm
Originally posted by AuntyAnne70 Oh the irony,I don't see why little Englanders should dictate what happen to a whole country. Good point Kermit. Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 03 Jan 21 3.05pm

Originally posted by AuntyAnne70

Oh the irony,I don't see why little Englanders should dictate what happen to a whole country.

Good point Kermit.

Pro USA & Israel

Badger11 Beckenham 03 Jan 21 3.53pm
Originally posted by nobody I am not fully up to speed on all of this but I think I read somewhere that they have never planned their percentage of the national debt into future budgets That would make book balancing quite tricky for them A fair point if they want to join the EU I would have thought the SNP would be keen to show they are fiscally responsible. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 03 Jan 21 3.53pm

Originally posted by nobody

I am not fully up to speed on all of this but I think I read somewhere that they have never planned their percentage of the national debt into future budgets

That would make book balancing quite tricky for them

A fair point if they want to join the EU I would have thought the SNP would be keen to show they are fiscally responsible.

One more point

Badger11 Beckenham 03 Jan 21 5.32pm
Now they SNP want to ban non English speakers from public housing. [Link] One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 03 Jan 21 5.32pm

Now they SNP want to ban non English speakers from public housing.

[Link]

One more point

Spiderman Horsham 03 Jan 21 5.36pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Now they SNP want to ban non English speakers from public housing. [Link] The gift that keeps on giving.

Spiderman

Horsham 03 Jan 21 5.36pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Now they SNP want to ban non English speakers from public housing.

[Link]

The gift that keeps on giving.

Badger11 Beckenham 03 Jan 21 5.36pm
Originally posted by Spiderman The gift that keeps on giving. And they call us little Englanders. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 03 Jan 21 5.36pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

The gift that keeps on giving.

And they call us little Englanders.

One more point

Stirlingsays 03 Jan 21 5.36pm
Originally posted by Badger11 If the Scots want independence so be it I just worry that the SNP does not have a clear plan for managing the currency and joining the EU and also how they will manage the economy. But it's their choice. Quite. It would kind of be alright if they made their mind up about it. Personally if you're going to continually give the SNP large majorities you're surely c0ck teasing. Just have the vote and make the break. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

03 Jan 21 5.36pm

Originally posted by Badger11

If the Scots want independence so be it I just worry that the SNP does not have a clear plan for managing the currency and joining the EU and also how they will manage the economy.

But it's their choice.

Quite.

It would kind of be alright if they made their mind up about it. Personally if you're going to continually give the SNP large majorities you're surely c0ck teasing.

Just have the vote and make the break.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Helmet46 Croydon 03 Jan 21 5.38pm
Originally posted by Badger11 If the Scots want independence so be it I just worry that the SNP does not have a clear plan for managing the currency and joining the EU and also how they will manage the economy. But it's their choice. I agree - their choice entirely. This is not, however, purely as a result of Brexit, the clue is in the name - Scottish Nationalist Party. They’ve always wanted Independence. I don’t care if there’s a plan or not. Once they’ve gone, they’ve gone - same as us. If we flounder without them and they absolutely fly (Scots are really excellent managers/business people) I wouldn’t expect help and I wouldn’t expect them to seek it if they struggle. As long as that is all clear and all of the nations of the UK know where they stand, the ramifications of any decision and we all have our fair share of national debt etc then that’s the best we can do. I love the Scots (although I always want them to lose at football ) - I wish only the very best of luck in their independence endeavours if that’s what they choose to do.

Helmet46

Croydon 03 Jan 21 5.38pm

Originally posted by Badger11

If the Scots want independence so be it I just worry that the SNP does not have a clear plan for managing the currency and joining the EU and also how they will manage the economy.

But it's their choice.

I agree - their choice entirely. This is not, however, purely as a result of Brexit, the clue is in the name - Scottish Nationalist Party. They’ve always wanted Independence.
I don’t care if there’s a plan or not. Once they’ve gone, they’ve gone - same as us. If we flounder without them and they absolutely fly (Scots are really excellent managers/business people) I wouldn’t expect help and I wouldn’t expect them to seek it if they struggle. As long as that is all clear and all of the nations of the UK know where they stand, the ramifications of any decision and we all have our fair share of national debt etc then that’s the best we can do.
I love the Scots (although I always want them to lose at football ) - I wish only the very best of luck in their independence endeavours if that’s what they choose to do.

Matov 04 Jan 21 10.47am
Originally posted by Badger11 A fair point if they want to join the EU I would have thought the SNP would be keen to show they are fiscally responsible. They already have tax raising powers but decline to use them and in an interview I heard recently, a leading SNP member said that whilst the wanted Independence, they did not want fiscal independence. That leaving would be dependent on them still being able to using the British pound. Scotland does not have a central bank and its deficit is way, way higher than that allowed for new EU entrant nations. Its previous fiscal forecasts were all based on oil being over $100 dollars a barrel (as I write this Brent Crude is trading at just under $52 and will probably never rise much above $60 ever again for a variety of reasons). Personally, I think the SNP can make a strong case for the holding of another referendum given our departure from the EU which Scotland as a whole voted strongly against. Interestingly, or so I am reading the SNP position, they are not actually pushing for another referendum but rather for the power to call one when it suits them. I suspect that they are aware that the political machinations as they are, probably stand them in better stead in terms of voting share because there are no votes to be lost in sniping at England from the side-lines, all whilst comforted by the protection that being part of the Union brings them as opposed to having to be truly judged on their own abilities. With the EU probably being far less willing to accommodate their feckless financial behaviour. Never forget that the Union came into being because Scotland had bankrupted itself. I always think of Scottish nationalism as being akin to people who like wearing a kilt for special events but come a wet, windy workday, prefer the appeal of trousers. All for show rather than the nitty-gritty of making it truly work. Edited by Matov (04 Jan 2021 10.49am) Edited by Matov (04 Jan 2021 10.53am) "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

04 Jan 21 10.47am

Originally posted by Badger11

A fair point if they want to join the EU I would have thought the SNP would be keen to show they are fiscally responsible.

They already have tax raising powers but decline to use them and in an interview I heard recently, a leading SNP member said that whilst the wanted Independence, they did not want fiscal independence. That leaving would be dependent on them still being able to using the British pound.

Scotland does not have a central bank and its deficit is way, way higher than that allowed for new EU entrant nations. Its previous fiscal forecasts were all based on oil being over $100 dollars a barrel (as I write this Brent Crude is trading at just under $52 and will probably never rise much above $60 ever again for a variety of reasons).

Personally, I think the SNP can make a strong case for the holding of another referendum given our departure from the EU which Scotland as a whole voted strongly against. Interestingly, or so I am reading the SNP position, they are not actually pushing for another referendum but rather for the power to call one when it suits them.

I suspect that they are aware that the political machinations as they are, probably stand them in better stead in terms of voting share because there are no votes to be lost in sniping at England from the side-lines, all whilst comforted by the protection that being part of the Union brings them as opposed to having to be truly judged on their own abilities. With the EU probably being far less willing to accommodate their feckless financial behaviour. Never forget that the Union came into being because Scotland had bankrupted itself.

I always think of Scottish nationalism as being akin to people who like wearing a kilt for special events but come a wet, windy workday, prefer the appeal of trousers. All for show rather than the nitty-gritty of making it truly work.

Edited by Matov (04 Jan 2021 10.49am)

Edited by Matov (04 Jan 2021 10.53am)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Badger11 Beckenham 04 Jan 21 11.35am
Originally posted by Matov They already have tax raising powers but decline to use them and in an interview I heard recently, a leading SNP member said that whilst the wanted Independence, they did not want fiscal independence. That leaving would be dependent on them still being able to using the British pound. Scotland does not have a central bank and its deficit is way, way higher than that allowed for new EU entrant nations. Its previous fiscal forecasts were all based on oil being over 0 dollars a barrel (as I write this Brent Crude is trading at just under and will probably never rise much above ever again for a variety of reasons). Personally, I think the SNP can make a strong case for the holding of another referendum given our departure from the EU which Scotland as a whole voted strongly against. Interestingly, or so I am reading the SNP position, they are not actually pushing for another referendum but rather for the power to call one when it suits them. I suspect that they are aware that the political machinations as they are, probably stand them in better stead in terms of voting share because there are no votes to be lost in sniping at England from the side-lines, all whilst comforted by the protection that being part of the Union brings them as opposed to having to be truly judged on their own abilities. With the EU probably being far less willing to accommodate their feckless financial behaviour. Never forget that the Union came into being because Scotland had bankrupted itself. I always think of Scottish nationalism as being akin to people who like wearing a kilt for special events but come a wet, windy workday, prefer the appeal of trousers. All for show rather than the nitty-gritty of making it truly work. Edited by Matov (04 Jan 2021 10.49am) Edited by Matov (04 Jan 2021 10.53am) Good post. I think it was PG Woodhouse who said something like he never met a Scotsman that didn't have a grudge against the English. Interesting that they don't want fiscal independence so if the economy does well the SNP take credit and if it doesn't blame the BOE and the Treasury who are English centric. That's not going to fly south of the border. Independence means independence (now where have I heard a similar phrase like that). One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 04 Jan 21 11.35am

Originally posted by Matov

Scotland does not have a central bank and its deficit is way, way higher than that allowed for new EU entrant nations. Its previous fiscal forecasts were all based on oil being over 0 dollars a barrel (as I write this Brent Crude is trading at just under and will probably never rise much above ever again for a variety of reasons).

Edited by Matov (04 Jan 2021 10.49am)

Edited by Matov (04 Jan 2021 10.53am)

Good post. I think it was PG Woodhouse who said something like he never met a Scotsman that didn't have a grudge against the English.

Interesting that they don't want fiscal independence so if the economy does well the SNP take credit and if it doesn't blame the BOE and the Treasury who are English centric. That's not going to fly south of the border.

Independence means independence (now where have I heard a similar phrase like that).

One more point

mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 04 Jan 21 11.46am
Originally posted by Helmet46 I agree - their choice entirely. This is not, however, purely as a result of Brexit, the clue is in the name - Scottish Nationalist Party. They’ve always wanted Independence. I don’t care if there’s a plan or not. Once they’ve gone, they’ve gone - same as us. If we flounder without them and they absolutely fly (Scots are really excellent managers/business people) I wouldn’t expect help and I wouldn’t expect them to seek it if they struggle. As long as that is all clear and all of the nations of the UK know where they stand, the ramifications of any decision and we all have our fair share of national debt etc then that’s the best we can do. I love the Scots (although I always want them to lose at football ) - I wish only the very best of luck in their independence endeavours if that’s what they choose to do. George Burley ??!! Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

mezzer

Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 04 Jan 21 11.46am

Originally posted by Helmet46

I agree - their choice entirely. This is not, however, purely as a result of Brexit, the clue is in the name - Scottish Nationalist Party. They’ve always wanted Independence.
I don’t care if there’s a plan or not. Once they’ve gone, they’ve gone - same as us. If we flounder without them and they absolutely fly (Scots are really excellent managers/business people) I wouldn’t expect help and I wouldn’t expect them to seek it if they struggle. As long as that is all clear and all of the nations of the UK know where they stand, the ramifications of any decision and we all have our fair share of national debt etc then that’s the best we can do.
I love the Scots (although I always want them to lose at football ) - I wish only the very best of luck in their independence endeavours if that’s what they choose to do.

George Burley ??!!

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

Stirlingsays 04 Jan 21 11.54am
True....as much as the toughness of the Scots can be acknowledged perhaps trusting the judgement of a nation whose favourite pastime is to be p1ssed out of its tiny mind is not wise. The SNP's success seems to be mostly based upon not being an English party and blaming the English for anything they can.....The Scots still have a huge chip on their shoulder about big brother. I say, if you really want independence go for it....and stop blaming us for your decisions. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jan 2021 11.55am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

04 Jan 21 11.54am

True....as much as the toughness of the Scots can be acknowledged perhaps trusting the judgement of a nation whose favourite pastime is to be p1ssed out of its tiny mind is not wise.

The SNP's success seems to be mostly based upon not being an English party and blaming the English for anything they can.....The Scots still have a huge chip on their shoulder about big brother.

I say, if you really want independence go for it....and stop blaming us for your decisions.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jan 2021 11.55am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Teddy Eagle 04 Jan 21 12.28pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Good post. I think it was PG Woodhouse who said something like he never met a Scotsman that didn't have a grudge against the English. Interesting that they don't want fiscal independence so if the economy does well the SNP take credit and if it doesn't blame the BOE and the Treasury who are English centric. That's not going to fly south of the border. Independence means independence (now where have I heard a similar phrase like that). “It has never been hard to tell the difference between a Scotsman with a grievance and a ray of sunshine.”

Teddy Eagle

04 Jan 21 12.28pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Good post. I think it was PG Woodhouse who said something like he never met a Scotsman that didn't have a grudge against the English.

Independence means independence (now where have I heard a similar phrase like that).

“It has never been hard to tell the difference between a Scotsman with a grievance and a ray of sunshine.”

PalazioVecchio south pole 04 Jan 21 6.48pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Now they SNP want to ban non English speakers from public housing. [Link] thats Rab c Nesbit stuffed then Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 04 Jan 21 6.48pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Now they SNP want to ban non English speakers from public housing.

[Link]

thats Rab c Nesbit stuffed then

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Badger11 Beckenham 04 Jan 21 6.58pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio thats Rab c Nesbit stuffed then He speaks drunkenese. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 04 Jan 21 6.58pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

thats Rab c Nesbit stuffed then

He speaks drunkenese.

One more point

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