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I couldn't let such a great offer pass people by!

Sounds like the men of iron principles may not be too averse themselves to milking the gravy train.But no doubt that,as with any other critique of UKIP, its politicians or its policies, is just obfuscation,whereas similar critiques of other parties are valid and relevant observations.

The Mirror,January 2014:

"MEP and deputy party leader Paul Nuttall employed 12 members of staff at public expense. Mr Farage and East Midlands MEP Roger Helmer even put their wives on the Brussels payroll. The UKIP leader's German wife Kirsten earned up to £30,000 while Sara Helmer pocketed up to £20,000."

Edited by legaleagle (07 Mar 2015 1.01pm)

One person's perceived obfuscation might be another person's perception of a populist headline message acting as obfuscation for a wider underlying reality

Interesting question for you Stirling...

The SWP are every bit as anti-EU as UKIP. But,you indicate you wouldn't take your "I don't care about anything but the EU policy" logic as far as voting for them if they ever had a bigger profile than UKIP I presume, since you indicate you draw the line at voting for "leftists".

But,if the "right wing" aspect of things beyond opposition to the EU does come into it for you (as it seems it does), that would include policies/a stance beyond simple attitude to the EU.

Let me pose you a hypothetical question to take your stated stance further. Suppose the BNP (clearly a part of the right more than of the left) ever got a high public profile and in the meantime UKIP had imploded, would you vote for them because they are fervently anti-EU and not of the left and you logically wouldn't give a (to use your word) "feck" about any of their other policies/stances/members/politicians?

Edited by legaleagle (07 Mar 2015 1.30pm)

UKIP may take seats from the three parties, they may dilute votes, meaning MP's returned with proportionately less of the popular vote than in the past. With low turnouts that we seem to have these days, the danger is it only needs a small swing to make big difference.

Your identification of the BNP as a party of the right is all based upon their immigration policy. It's a weak summary as it's well known that they identify working class areas and have other policies that address that. Even their immigration policy bears little resemblance to any other right wing party in the UK as it's baaed upon race and not numbers or a points based system.

There is no justification in the question. I've made it plainly clear several times that I'm not interested in race.

Considering the problems we had in another thread it is disappointing that you continue to steer in this direction.

You obviously didn't understand the point I was making.

Voting for UKIP is a protest vote. I know they aren't going to lead the next government. My top concerns, other than the economy, are immigration and the EU. So examining every policy detail or concerning myself with every comment some individual makes is only the reserve of the political sado. However, they have a small chance of being a minor partner to the Tories come the May electoral roundabout. In that event they can ensure that the Tories keep strong on their EU promises.

Finally regarding race and ethnicity. I referred to the difference between race and culture. Ethnicity is a more inclusive word that can include physical appearance and hence race.

You can be culturally British and have genes from whatever part of the world. In that case I'm going to prefer that environment. This statement shouldn't be confused with the idea that this means that I think that most other cultures are 'inferior' or 'undeserving'. The word preference is just that and I've enjoyed the company of many different people from around the world in my time. I just believe that a country's first loyalty should be to their own.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Mar 2015 10.36am)

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