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 the silurian Online  The garden of England.(not really) 18 Apr 23 9.50am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No one disputes that prices are also rising in the EU. What is disputed is the implied suggestion that they are worse than in the UK, which simply isn't true. The rate of inflation is broadly similar, with some EU countries (especially in the East) having higher levels than us, and others (in the West), lower. and you know this how???
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Teddy Eagle  18 Apr 23 9.51am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It requires more than belief. It requires enough desire to stir people into action, and that has to come from us. It happened with UKIP and the SNP, and I think a similar mass movement in favour of rejoining the EU, in some way, is already beginning to coagulate. How long that, or the political realignment and PR that I expect, will take is another question, but I think they will eventually happen. Your description of the way politicians are responding to the transgender issue seems a little odd. Surely it would make them popular to denounce the idea. Defending transgender, and other LGBT, issues is not popular. That politicians do it therefore is showing leadership over something, which is a welcome change. It's not welcome at all. Politicians do it because they're afraid of the consequences of standing against current organised group think. Look at J. K. Rowling and the vitriol she's attracted for saying very little.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 18 Apr 23 10.41am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It requires more than belief. It requires enough desire to stir people into action, and that has to come from us. It happened with UKIP and the SNP, and I think a similar mass movement in favour of rejoining the EU, in some way, is already beginning to coagulate. How long that, or the political realignment and PR that I expect, will take is another question, but I think they will eventually happen. Your description of the way politicians are responding to the transgender issue seems a little odd. Surely it would make them popular to denounce the idea. Defending transgender, and other LGBT, issues is not popular. That politicians do it therefore is showing leadership over something, which is a welcome change. Admit it. You are one of those people who stand outside Parliament with placards and a megaphone. Your obsession with the EU is more like an illness. We are doing just fine without it.
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| Mapletree Croydon 18 Apr 23 11.31am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Admit it. You are one of those people who stand outside Parliament with placards and a megaphone. Your obsession with the EU is more like an illness. We are doing just fine without it. Whereas your obsession with immigration is?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 18 Apr 23 12.12pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Whereas your obsession with immigration is? Factual.
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| Mapletree Croydon 18 Apr 23 12.32pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Factual. I see. Yet the clear damage that continues to be inflicted by Brexit somehow isn’t.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 18 Apr 23 12.40pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I see. Yet the clear damage that continues to be inflicted by Brexit somehow isn’t. What damage? The problems I see right now are global. Inflation, supply, illegal immigration have nothing to do with Brexit as you know full well.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Apr 23 12.48pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
and you know this how??? Read the links! It’s all there.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Apr 23 12.56pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
It's not welcome at all. Politicians do it because they're afraid of the consequences of standing against current organised group think. Look at J. K. Rowling and the vitriol she's attracted for saying very little. I disagree! I welcome it. I also think they will be more concerned about vote loss than “group think”, whatever that is. That there are some activists giving voice to concerns is nothing new and is always to be welcomed. Doesn’t mean their concerns should trump others, only that it’s better to hear them than not. Nor should those who disagree be disrespected but you don’t condemn a cause just because some go too far.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Apr 23 1.07pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Admit it. You are one of those people who stand outside Parliament with placards and a megaphone. Your obsession with the EU is more like an illness. We are doing just fine without it. I have never taken part in any protest anywhere on anything. Clear enough? I am not obsessed with the EU. I simply believe the UK is stronger and more secure inside it than outside in today’s world. We aren’t “doing fine”. Anyone who thinks that is deluded. We have many problems, not all caused by Brexit of course. Many are shared with our neighbours but Brexit makes them worse and, almost certainly, our recovery from them slower. It was always a stupid thing to do. Decisions taken on appeals to pride, which in this context is a worthless emotion, or on false promises on immigration ought never be allowed to happen. I expect our Parliament to protect us from such stupidity and not deliver us into its arms.
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| Mapletree Croydon 18 Apr 23 1.31pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What damage? The problems I see right now are global. Inflation, supply, illegal immigration have nothing to do with Brexit as you know full well. Oh for goodness sake. Do you live in a yurt? Or Wisbech? Or a yurt in Wisbech. I know full well that the issue is relative, as would you were you to have been educated in economics. The post-Brexit trading relationship between the UK and EU, as set out in the ‘Trade and Cooperation Agreement’ (TCA) that came into effect on 1 January 2021, will reduce long-run productivity by 4 per cent relative to remaining in the EU. This is the OBR, are you in a position to argue with it? There are other, worse, predictions. This is The Financial Times Almost two years after Britain left the EU, economists have reached a consensus: Brexit has significantly worsened the country’s economic performance. They agree that the vote to leave the bloc has made households poorer, that negotiating uncertainties have taken their toll on business investment and that new barriers to trade have damaged economic links between the UK and EU. While economists and officials do not agree on the precise magnitude of the Brexit effect, they consider it to be large. They also agree that new trade agreements with countries such as Australia and regulatory freedoms gained from leaving the bloc do not come close to offsetting the damage.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 18 Apr 23 1.34pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I have never taken part in any protest anywhere on anything. Clear enough? I am not obsessed with the EU. I simply believe the UK is stronger and more secure inside it than outside in today’s world. We aren’t “doing fine”. Anyone who thinks that is deluded. We have many problems, not all caused by Brexit of course. Many are shared with our neighbours but Brexit makes them worse and, almost certainly, our recovery from them slower. It was always a stupid thing to do. Decisions taken on appeals to pride, which in this context is a worthless emotion, or on false promises on immigration ought never be allowed to happen. I expect our Parliament to protect us from such stupidity and not deliver us into its arms. Really? That is not borne out by the facts. Your doom mongering is wishful thinking. Immigration is an issue that must be tackled by the British government. The EU was useless. It's almost like we are being sold a big lie.
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