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dreamwaverider London 18 Jul 21 5.38am
Originally posted by kev64 Are you smoking crack at 4am again ? Now what have you to say Kev 64 ? The Veira / Henry bond is maybe stronger than you and your crack comment was aware.

dreamwaverider

London 18 Jul 21 5.38am

Originally posted by kev64

Are you smoking crack at 4am again ?

Now what have you to say Kev 64 ? The Veira / Henry bond is maybe stronger than you and your crack comment was aware.

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 18 Jul 21 2.28pm
Interesting piece as the bbc's lead football story . . . [Link] This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 18 Jul 21 2.28pm

Interesting piece as the bbc's lead football story . . .

[Link]

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Wilbraham413 19 Jul 21 12.25am
So far, I like how PV has been decisive and very active in signing new players. Maybe he's getting financial backing that other managers never had before, I don't know. Nonetheless, I like how he is aggressively signing young players, who seem to be good signings. It's possible they will all be sh-t, but on paper, it looks more promising that I feared when PV was hired. In the past, we'd be rumored to get a player for months, then it would be announced as a certainty, then the rug would get pulled out, and we wouldn't get him. Now, it's like players are getting signed out of nowhere, before the rumor mill even gets started. And I like that. 2017 Feb. (Van Aanholt) Palace 1 - 0 Middlesboro 2018 Jan. (Sako) Palace 1 - 0 Burnley 2019 May (Batshuayi, Batshuayi, OG, Van Aanholt, Townsend) Palace 5 - 3 Bournemouth 2020 Feb. (Van Aanholt) Palace 1 - 0 Newcastle

Wilbraham413

19 Jul 21 12.25am

So far, I like how PV has been decisive and very active in signing new players. Maybe he's getting financial backing that other managers never had before, I don't know.

Nonetheless, I like how he is aggressively signing young players, who seem to be good signings. It's possible they will all be sh-t, but on paper, it looks more promising that I feared when PV was hired.

In the past, we'd be rumored to get a player for months, then it would be announced as a certainty, then the rug would get pulled out, and we wouldn't get him. Now, it's like players are getting signed out of nowhere, before the rumor mill even gets started. And I like that.

2017 Feb. (Van Aanholt) Palace 1 - 0 Middlesboro
2018 Jan. (Sako) Palace 1 - 0 Burnley
2019 May (Batshuayi, Batshuayi, OG, Van Aanholt, Townsend) Palace 5 - 3 Bournemouth
2020 Feb. (Van Aanholt) Palace 1 - 0 Newcastle

dreamwaverider London 19 Jul 21 4.30am
Originally posted by Wilbraham413 So far, I like how PV has been decisive and very active in signing new players. Maybe he's getting financial backing that other managers never had before, I don't know. Nonetheless, I like how he is aggressively signing young players, who seem to be good signings. It's possible they will all be sh-t, but on paper, it looks more promising that I feared when PV was hired. In the past, we'd be rumored to get a player for months, then it would be announced as a certainty, then the rug would get pulled out, and we wouldn't get him. Now, it's like players are getting signed out of nowhere, before the rumor mill even gets started. And I like that. My mate a t Chelsea WhatsApp What a signing he’s gonna be world class.

dreamwaverider

London 19 Jul 21 4.30am

Originally posted by Wilbraham413

So far, I like how PV has been decisive and very active in signing new players. Maybe he's getting financial backing that other managers never had before, I don't know.

My mate a t Chelsea WhatsApp What a signing he’s gonna be world class.

Midlands Eagle 19 Jul 21 6.29am
Originally posted by Wilbraham413 I like how he is aggressively signing young players, who seem to be good signings. It would be interesting to know exactly how much he knew about the new players before we signed them. I very much doubt whether he had heard of Sunderland's reserve keeper let alone seen him in action and even Championship players probably flew under his radar so these are Dougie's signings and not his. Having said all that the two main signings do seem to be a step in the right direction and let's hope that with Vieira's connections to Arsenal and Manchester City we can prise away some more useful talent

Midlands Eagle

19 Jul 21 6.29am

Originally posted by Wilbraham413

I like how he is aggressively signing young players, who seem to be good signings.

It would be interesting to know exactly how much he knew about the new players before we signed them. I very much doubt whether he had heard of Sunderland's reserve keeper let alone seen him in action and even Championship players probably flew under his radar so these are Dougie's signings and not his.

Having said all that the two main signings do seem to be a step in the right direction and let's hope that with Vieira's connections to Arsenal and Manchester City we can prise away some more useful talent

southnorwoodhill 19 Jul 21 7.21am
It has been writtten that Hodgson had no dealings in the transfer side of things, is it the case that Vieira is much more involved in player acquisition?

southnorwoodhill

19 Jul 21 7.21am

It has been writtten that Hodgson had no dealings in the transfer side of things, is it the case that Vieira is much more involved in player acquisition?

YT Oxford 19 Jul 21 7.32am
Originally posted by Wilbraham413 So far, I like how PV has been decisive and very active in signing new players. Maybe he's getting financial backing that other managers never had before, I don't know. Nonetheless, I like how he is aggressively signing young players, who seem to be good signings. It's possible they will all be sh-t, but on paper, it looks more promising that I feared when PV was hired. In the past, we'd be rumored to get a player for months, then it would be announced as a certainty, then the rug would get pulled out, and we wouldn't get him. Now, it's like players are getting signed out of nowhere, before the rumor mill even gets started. And I like that. How do you sign a player 'aggressively'? Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Oxford 19 Jul 21 7.32am

Originally posted by Wilbraham413

So far, I like how PV has been decisive and very active in signing new players. Maybe he's getting financial backing that other managers never had before, I don't know.

Nonetheless, I like how he is aggressively signing young players, who seem to be good signings. It's possible they will all be sh-t, but on paper, it looks more promising that I feared when PV was hired.

How do you sign a player 'aggressively'?

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

EddieMac 19 Jul 21 7.33am
Originally posted by southnorwoodhill It has been writtten that Hodgson had no dealings in the transfer side of things, is it the case that Vieira is much more involved in player acquisition? It looks as tough PV has had nothing to do with choosing the recent signings but it is likely that his name has managed to pull the deals over the finish line.

EddieMac

19 Jul 21 7.33am

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

It has been writtten that Hodgson had no dealings in the transfer side of things, is it the case that Vieira is much more involved in player acquisition?

It looks as tough PV has had nothing to do with choosing the recent signings but it is likely that his name has managed to pull the deals over the finish line.

YT Oxford 19 Jul 21 7.39am
Originally posted by EddieMac It looks as tough PV has had nothing to do with choosing the recent signings but it is likely that his name has managed to pull the deals over the finish line. In which case the incoming players show more belief in the new gaffer than the sceptics on HOL do. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Oxford 19 Jul 21 7.39am

Originally posted by EddieMac

It looks as tough PV has had nothing to do with choosing the recent signings but it is likely that his name has managed to pull the deals over the finish line.

In which case the incoming players show more belief in the new gaffer than the sceptics on HOL do.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

becky over the moon 19 Jul 21 7.55am
Originally posted by YT How do you sign a player 'aggressively'? Nail his non-writing hand to the table until he signs? A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

becky

over the moon 19 Jul 21 7.55am

Originally posted by YT

How do you sign a player 'aggressively'?

Nail his non-writing hand to the table until he signs?

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 19 Jul 21 9.05am
Originally posted by EddieMac It looks as tough PV has had nothing to do with choosing the recent signings but it is likely that his name has managed to pull the deals over the finish line. Absolutely this, IMO. Parish made it clear that DF identified and lined up targets (and probably got them/their agents to the negotiating table). Vieira's name may well have helped ensure that Olise and Guehi got over the line without any undue problems. Let's not compare this window with previous ones. It seems that the club wanted to tread water during the Hodgson years until the debts for Allardyce's and others' purchases were paid down and many of the expensive contracts expired. Now that's happened they are going for a new approach based around a blend of youth and experience. Rumours that we may well have £50-80m to spend may well be true; Olise was £8m and Guehi is rumoured to be £18m and I firmly believe there's more to come in this window. Edited by doombear (19 Jul 2021 9.06am)

doombear

Too far from Selhurst Park 19 Jul 21 9.05am

Originally posted by EddieMac

It looks as tough PV has had nothing to do with choosing the recent signings but it is likely that his name has managed to pull the deals over the finish line.

Absolutely this, IMO. Parish made it clear that DF identified and lined up targets (and probably got them/their agents to the negotiating table). Vieira's name may well have helped ensure that Olise and Guehi got over the line without any undue problems.

Let's not compare this window with previous ones. It seems that the club wanted to tread water during the Hodgson years until the debts for Allardyce's and others' purchases were paid down and many of the expensive contracts expired. Now that's happened they are going for a new approach based around a blend of youth and experience. Rumours that we may well have £50-80m to spend may well be true; Olise was £8m and Guehi is rumoured to be £18m and I firmly believe there's more to come in this window.

Edited by doombear (19 Jul 2021 9.06am)

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Jul 21 9.11am
Originally posted by doombear Absolutely this, IMO. Parish made it clear that DF identified and lined up targets (and probably got them/their agents to the negotiating table). Vieira's name may well have helped ensure that Olise and Guehi got over the line without any undue problems. Let's not compare this window with previous ones. It seems that the club wanted to tread water during the Hodgson years until the debts for Allardyce's and others' purchases were paid down and many of the expensive contracts expired. Now that's happened they are going for a new approach based around a blend of youth and experience. Rumours that we may well have £50-80m to spend may well be true; Olise was £8m and Guehi is rumoured to be £18m and I firmly believe there's more to come in this window. Edited by doombear (19 Jul 2021 9.06am) We have purchased youth in players such as Guehi and Olise but to my mind we do need to add to the ranks players who have not just ploughed their furrows in the Championship and who have some experience playing in top divisions.All very well going down the youth route but the objective is to remain in the PL.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Jul 21 9.11am

Originally posted by doombear

Let's not compare this window with previous ones. It seems that the club wanted to tread water during the Hodgson years until the debts for Allardyce's and others' purchases were paid down and many of the expensive contracts expired. Now that's happened they are going for a new approach based around a blend of youth and experience. Rumours that we may well have £50-80m to spend may well be true; Olise was £8m and Guehi is rumoured to be £18m and I firmly believe there's more to come in this window.

Edited by doombear (19 Jul 2021 9.06am)

We have purchased youth in players such as Guehi and Olise but to my mind we do need to add to the ranks players who have not just ploughed their furrows in the Championship and who have some experience playing in top divisions.All very well going down the youth route but the objective is to remain in the PL.

TheBigToePunt 19 Jul 21 9.12am
Originally posted by doombear Absolutely this, IMO. Parish made it clear that DF identified and lined up targets (and probably got them/their agents to the negotiating table). Vieira's name may well have helped ensure that Olise and Guehi got over the line without any undue problems. Let's not compare this window with previous ones. It seems that the club wanted to tread water during the Hodgson years until the debts for Allardyce's and others' purchases were paid down and many of the expensive contracts expired. Now that's happened they are going for a new approach based around a blend of youth and experience. Rumours that we may well have £50-80m to spend may well be true; Olise was £8m and Guehi is rumoured to be £18m and I firmly believe there's more to come in this window. Edited by doombear (19 Jul 2021 9.06am) I'd agree with this. The speed and absence of drama around the two main deals done so far suggests long term planning, and leaves time for either more pre-arranged transfers to follow, or for the club to try and compete for players as and when they become available I suppose. No doubt though, the club have planned for this summer to be a big one.

TheBigToePunt

19 Jul 21 9.12am

Originally posted by doombear

Edited by doombear (19 Jul 2021 9.06am)

I'd agree with this. The speed and absence of drama around the two main deals done so far suggests long term planning, and leaves time for either more pre-arranged transfers to follow, or for the club to try and compete for players as and when they become available I suppose. No doubt though, the club have planned for this summer to be a big one.

Putitout Oxford 19 Jul 21 9.36am
The encouraging factor is that there does seem to be a plan, and it so far is being implemented In a way that has the smell of being doable. I think Parish has addressed the situation regarding Viera,s input, he clearly said Vieras opinion would be in the mix regarding recruits. For Willo,s point, which is valid, he also said it was a mix of experience and youth he was after, not dismissing the idea of bringing an older head in. A month or so back ,I for one was worried for our future, right now I’m excited by what’s happening and very optimistic for the future. If it’s a case of thinking Viera, is in total control of transfer policy, that kind of control went out of the window years ago, multi million £ business , is not put in the hands of a football coach, in this day and age.

Putitout

Oxford 19 Jul 21 9.36am

The encouraging factor is that there does seem to be a plan, and it so far is being implemented In a way that has the smell of being doable.
I think Parish has addressed the situation regarding Viera,s input, he clearly said Vieras opinion would be in the mix regarding recruits. For Willo,s point, which is valid, he also said it was a mix of experience and youth he was after, not dismissing the idea of bringing an older head in.
A month or so back ,I for one was worried for our future, right now I’m excited by what’s happening and very optimistic for the future.
If it’s a case of thinking Viera, is in total control of transfer policy, that kind of control went out of the window years ago, multi million £ business , is not put in the hands of a football coach, in this day and age.

Apollofuzz On the edge of reason 19 Jul 21 11.37am
Originally posted by YT How do you sign a player 'aggressively'? Easy White Van with sliding side door, Duct tape, Balaclavas, shout a lot and tickle their feet with a feather until they sign. Or is that just me............ I ride a GS scooter with my hair cut neat I wear my war time coat in the wind and sleet.

Apollofuzz

On the edge of reason 19 Jul 21 11.37am

Originally posted by YT

How do you sign a player 'aggressively'?

Easy White Van with sliding side door, Duct tape, Balaclavas, shout a lot and tickle their feet with a feather until they sign.

Or is that just me............

I ride a GS scooter with my hair cut neat
I wear my war time coat in the wind and sleet.

SharpAl11 19 Jul 21 12.46pm
Im hoping Zion Atta gets a run out at least in Jan cup games. He was looking for a move because he thinks hes ready. Dortmund or someone could come in for him.

SharpAl11

19 Jul 21 12.46pm

Im hoping Zion Atta gets a run out at least in Jan cup games. He was looking for a move because he thinks hes ready. Dortmund or someone could come in for him.

Midlands Eagle 19 Jul 21 1.01pm
Originally posted by SharpAl11 Im hoping Zion Atta gets a run out at least in Jan cup games. He was looking for a move because he thinks hes ready. Dortmund or someone could come in for him. I'd chuck him in the first team against Chelsea which should show him whether he's ready or not

Midlands Eagle

19 Jul 21 1.01pm

Originally posted by SharpAl11

Im hoping Zion Atta gets a run out at least in Jan cup games. He was looking for a move because he thinks hes ready. Dortmund or someone could come in for him.

I'd chuck him in the first team against Chelsea which should show him whether he's ready or not

Frickin Saweet South Cronx 19 Jul 21 1.51pm
Originally posted by southnorwoodhill It has been writtten that Hodgson had no dealings in the transfer side of things, is it the case that Vieira is much more involved in player acquisition? My guess is that we've been saving our transfer kitty for our 'next chapter'. And perhaps DF has been busy identifying all of these players for when someone like Vieira came in. Hodgson wouldn't have been interested in playing any of these new signings.

Frickin Saweet

South Cronx 19 Jul 21 1.51pm

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

It has been writtten that Hodgson had no dealings in the transfer side of things, is it the case that Vieira is much more involved in player acquisition?

My guess is that we've been saving our transfer kitty for our 'next chapter'. And perhaps DF has been busy identifying all of these players for when someone like Vieira came in. Hodgson wouldn't have been interested in playing any of these new signings.

Midlands Eagle 19 Jul 21 2.12pm
Originally posted by Frickin Saweet Hodgson wouldn't have been interested in playing any of these new signings. That's a bit unfair as he was happy enough to play Eze and Mitchell

Midlands Eagle

19 Jul 21 2.12pm

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

Hodgson wouldn't have been interested in playing any of these new signings.

That's a bit unfair as he was happy enough to play Eze and Mitchell

doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 19 Jul 21 3.50pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I'd chuck him in the first team against Chelsea which should show him whether he's ready or not Yep, give him the first 45 mins and see how he feels at half time after he's been marked/muscled out of the game, then send him back to the Academy to work on the finer points of real football.

doombear

Too far from Selhurst Park 19 Jul 21 3.50pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I'd chuck him in the first team against Chelsea which should show him whether he's ready or not

Yep, give him the first 45 mins and see how he feels at half time after he's been marked/muscled out of the game, then send him back to the Academy to work on the finer points of real football.

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