Newcastle from a set peice, relegated Watford and Bournmouth (opening goal from a set peice) and Brighton (against the run of play and who had the were the only team on a worse run of form than us when we played them). Coming of the back of 3 defeats in a row.

We are pretty much incapable of scoring from open play. Our corners and indirect free kicks are useless.

Ok, back to my question. What do you think Parish would have said to Hodgson if Hodgson said '' Steve, I'm going to experiment in the last 8 games and treat them as friendlies '' - which was your suggestion. Just enlighten me please...what do you think Parish would have said ??

You are very wrong about the assumption that I am risk adverse. I would describe my decision making as ' pragmatic '. I would not have been very successful in my career if I had been risk adverse.

I didn't suggest changing anything after the Bournemouth game, instead I tried to explain to you why things didn't.

Although of course they could have done if we had followed your idea of treating them as friendlies -.-'

So let me get this right...you moan about the manager, the style of play, the team selections and now you're moaning about how we won games.

Is there anything about Palace that you do like ?

You don't seem to get anything right? I was saying that we had 4 unconvincing wins against very poor opposition including two sides that are now in the Championship.

Roy has been increadably lucky to get anything out of this season. Our points total flatters us.

Roy wants us to go into next season, sign more aginging players and keep using the same system. It's the wrong stratergy, it will get us religated, and lumbered with journeymen plays with no sell on value.

This thread is marvellous. The divide between Roy IN and Roy Out is massive and there will be no agreement anytime soon.

I am in the Roy in camp but I have had my days when I have wanted the opposite. I may be biased but I think the Roy OUT camp make absolutely no sense with their argument for wanting him gone.

The same repetitive comments about only playing defensive midfielders, but I think if you asked Jimmy McArthur he would tell you he is not a defensive midfielder. Then in the same breath you scream for Riedewald to play who is a centre back or an out and out defensive midfielder.

You bang on about lack of subs but you all seem to be blind to the fact that our benches on match days have players on it who are literally just there in case of emergency as our squad is so threadbare.

We play the same starting team because we have to, why would we play weaker players just to keep some of you lot happy? Most teams in this division have 2/3 players in every position, we have 1 striker, 1 right back, 3 wingers.

Brandon Pierrick is not the answer to our problems and more than likely will be playing in league 1 very soon and the same goes for Sam Woods. Why should he play them for the sake of it? To see if they’re good enough ? He knows they are not good enough because it is clear as mud when he watches them in the under 23’s.

Open the eyes on your heads and have a look at our squad on a weekly basis and you will see why we play as we do. Open your eyes and look at our injury lists on a weekly basis. I often hear you say but we have a good squad on paper. Paper doesn’t win football matches, half of them are constantly injured.

Schlupp, Townsend, Benteke, Sakho, Tomkins, Kelly, Cahill, Dann have all missed a massive amount of games this season.

You all have very short memories and choose to be blind to the faults in our squad. There is one reason we have stayed in this division this year and that is our defence before Covid and our boring tactics.

One last point I forget to mention was, People constantly banging on about Wickham and that he should never have been let leave. I feel sorry for Wickham as his top level career is over but he was let leave by Roy because Roy couldn’t promise the chap game time and he was also replaced with Tosun who very unluckily got injured. Again not Roy’s fault.

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This thread is marvellous. The divide between Roy IN and Roy Out is massive and there will be no agreement anytime soon.

I am in the Roy in camp but I have had my days when I have wanted the opposite. I may be biased but I think the Roy OUT camp make absolutely no sense with their argument for wanting him gone.

The same repetitive comments about only playing defensive midfielders, but I think if you asked Jimmy McArthur he would tell you he is not a defensive midfielder. Then in the same breath you scream for Riedewald to play who is a centre back or an out and out defensive midfielder.

You bang on about lack of subs but you all seem to be blind to the fact that our benches on match days have players on it who are literally just there in case of emergency as our squad is so threadbare.

We play the same starting team because we have to, why would we play weaker players just to keep some of you lot happy? Most teams in this division have 2/3 players in every position, we have 1 striker, 1 right back, 3 wingers.

Brandon Pierrick is not the answer to our problems and more than likely will be playing in league 1 very soon and the same goes for Sam Woods. Why should he play them for the sake of it? To see if they’re good enough ? He knows they are not good enough because it is clear as mud when he watches them in the under 23’s.

Open the eyes on your heads and have a look at our squad on a weekly basis and you will see why we play as we do. Open your eyes and look at our injury lists on a weekly basis. I often hear you say but we have a good squad on paper. Paper doesn’t win football matches, half of them are constantly injured.

Schlupp, Townsend, Benteke, Sakho, Tomkins, Kelly, Cahill, Dann have all missed a massive amount of games this season.

You all have very short memories and choose to be blind to the faults in our squad. There is one reason we have stayed in this division this year and that is our defence before Covid and our boring tactics.

One last point I forget to mention was, People constantly banging on about Wickham and that he should never have been let leave. I feel sorry for Wickham as his top level career is over but he was let leave by Roy because Roy couldn’t promise the chap game time and he was also replaced with Tosun who very unluckily got injured. Again not Roy’s fault.

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With Pulis, we finished 11th on 45 points. Warnock was manager for the first 17 games and we finished 10th on 48 points. This season, it was 14th on 43 points. All that really shows is that we've not really progressed, nor have we been appreciably more sh*t than other seasons. Without a HUGE cash boost, we are what we are - a fairly consistent mid to lower table side.

I'll keep asking the same question until you answer it properly. That seems beyond you though, so instead let's try to make it easier for you.

Are you are trying to get me to believe that the Chairman and part owner of a Premier League football club would sanction his manager treating the last 6/7/8 games of a season as friendlies ? Are you for real ??

By the way, his strategy up until and even after the Burnley game could not be described as not working given our points total and league position in that time.

I noticed you resorted to the cheap '' Woy '' insult.

Shameful

Are you being a troll or can you weally not understand the long term advanage of playing 7 premier league games like friendlys to try and find out what will and what wont work the following season?

Woy's not going to read this. You're the only person getting upset. My cheap Woy insult seems to work, unlike his tactics. I tried something new, and got a reaction. You and Woy should take note.

1 point from 8 games. 3 goals. 8 dreadful performances. Relegation form, but don't worry, lets just try exactly the same thing again.

Constantly the same failing tactics. Second lowest number of goals scored this season. An aging squad of failed journeyman, lead uninspiringly by a failed geriatric who's only ability is coming up with pathetic excuses in front of the media. Our best player is leaving on half the value he was worth last season. All our players have decreased in value under Woy. Zaha, Benteke, Townsend, Sakho, Tompkins, Luka, PVA are all a shaddow of their former selves. All our players are underperfoming but never dropped. We have a Dutch and German on the sidelines that aren't getting a look in. He refused to give a chance to a player who's one of the highest goal scores in Europe. He only gave AWB a look in when we didn't have any other option, had Ward and Kelly stayed fit the most expensive right back in the world would probably be playing youth team football still. We never make positive substitutions or chase a game when we are losing. All our substitutions are made far too late if at all. Wickham scored one and made one in two appearance then was loaned out. Our set peices are terrible and predicatable. Individual skill has dissapeared, we can't string three passes together. We don't play to our best players strenghts as it doesn't fit the system. A guy that scored 66 premiership goals in 4 seasons before Woy has scored 6 since. The football is awful. Almost deliberatly going out of the cup in front of our own supporters who'd paid good money to go.

Woy's answer to this terrible run. Play excatly the same team. Week in, week out. If it doesn't work, he'll blame everyone else but himself despite having a squad full of seasoned premier league professionals who have had moderate success elsewhere.

Woy's a won twick pony. He's good and getting a team organised. But that doesn't last. We should have got rid of him before the start of this season.
The man is stealing a living at our expense. I don't think that deserves any respect.

Yet you claim he's working miracles, buy keeping a team with the 9th highest wagebill and players who were exceedingly highly rated prior to his arrival in the premier league.

As the thread about him said when he first joined. There's a lot of questions in football, Roy Hodgson is the answer to none of them.

Lets sign this off by asking, what the hell has Woy done right this season?

Are you being a troll or can you weally not understand the long term advanage of playing 7 premier league games like friendlys to try and find out what will and what wont work the following season?

Woy's not going to read this. You're the only person getting upset. My cheap Woy insult seems to work, unlike his tactics. I tried something new, and got a reaction. You and Woy should take note.

1 point from 8 games. 3 goals. 8 dreadful performances. Relegation form, but don't worry, lets just try exactly the same thing again.

Constantly the same failing tactics. Second lowest number of goals scored this season. An aging squad of failed journeyman, lead uninspiringly by a failed geriatric who's only ability is coming up with pathetic excuses in front of the media. Our best player is leaving on half the value he was worth last season. All our players have decreased in value under Woy. Zaha, Benteke, Townsend, Sakho, Tompkins, Luka, PVA are all a shaddow of their former selves. All our players are underperfoming but never dropped. We have a Dutch and German on the sidelines that aren't getting a look in. He refused to give a chance to a player who's one of the highest goal scores in Europe. He only gave AWB a look in when we didn't have any other option, had Ward and Kelly stayed fit the most expensive right back in the world would probably be playing youth team football still. We never make positive substitutions or chase a game when we are losing. All our substitutions are made far too late if at all. Wickham scored one and made one in two appearance then was loaned out. Our set peices are terrible and predicatable. Individual skill has dissapeared, we can't string three passes together. We don't play to our best players strenghts as it doesn't fit the system. A guy that scored 66 premiership goals in 4 seasons before Woy has scored 6 since. The football is awful. Almost deliberatly going out of the cup in front of our own supporters who'd paid good money to go.

Woy's answer to this terrible run. Play excatly the same team. Week in, week out. If it doesn't work, he'll blame everyone else but himself despite having a squad full of seasoned premier league professionals who have had moderate success elsewhere.

Woy's a won twick pony. He's good and getting a team organised. But that doesn't last. We should have got rid of him before the start of this season.
The man is stealing a living at our expense. I don't think that deserves any respect.

Yet you claim he's working miracles, buy keeping a team with the 9th highest wagebill and players who were exceedingly highly rated prior to his arrival in the premier league.

As the thread about him said when he first joined. There's a lot of questions in football, Roy Hodgson is the answer to none of them.

Lets sign this off by asking, what the hell has Woy done right this season?